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Firefox employees call for CEO to resign over anti-gay marriage stance

  • Marc Webster

    This is good news and shows bigots that people will stand up to them regardless of high up in a company you are….lets hope he goes as that pic of him creeps me out

    • Jake28

      Totally agree about the picture

  • Truth

    Excellent! Keep the pressure on …. this is an important and significant fight.

  • cantake8

    Eich’s “statement” is a bullshit tap dance around the issue.
    Therefore, Mozilla cannot characterize itself as a company that emphasizes basic “tolerance,” much less inclusivity. It’s like a PETA fur coat.

  • http://www.bloketoys.co.uk/ BlokeToys.co.uk

    This is pretty fascinating to watch.

    On the one hand, it’s difficult to suggest that someone should not be in a job because of a personal opinion they have when that opinion doesn’t affect the running of the company in any real way, but on the other hand Mozilla is a very modern company with very liberal ideals that directly conflict with this mans religious convictions.

    I don’t think this should be about his personal opinions (everyone has the right to hold opinions that you or I find objectionable, just as you have the right to hold opinions that he might object to). The problem here is that his appointment goes against the basic ethos of this company.

    It was a bad decision to appoint him to this position, not simply because he has opinions we object to, but because this reflects poorly on the brand and the company too.

    He should not be in that position, and I say that not because I loathe his opinions and his religious idiocy, but because such publicly expressed opinions and actions are in direct conflict with the ethical compass of the company.

    This should also be a warning to all others out there, in a career/professional sense – something you support now might just come back to bite you on the behind in a few years.

    • Colin

      I understand your points and they are well made. However we really want people to change and be fundamentally open to different ways of living. If business wants 100% from employees then surely we can expect integrity. Otherwise it’s a falseness to get the most productivity out of employees.

      I have seen this myself in play. I have dealt with it. I paid a price once on turning around 8 companies back to profitability and was sacked by the chairman who said they would have no gays on the Board of a public company. He waited until I had returned the group to profit.

      People smell it. The USA are way ahead of the UK. This is why the employees are asking this. I think the debate is great. The guy may be good for all I know. But working with him knowing he prefers traditional relationships. To me it puts you slightly on edge and youd be careful what you say around him.

      I encourage people to be who they are at work and I constantly stress diversity is good. In my younger years I was not as tollerant I have sadly to admit. Live and learn.

      • http://www.bloketoys.co.uk/ BlokeToys.co.uk

        I agree, absolutely.

        This is something I didn’t mention in my initial comment, but it’s perhaps one of the most important aspects of this and relates to what I wrote about his appointment being against the ethos of the company.

        I would not feel comfortable working with this man, knowing his opinions. That is inevitably going to create a more hostile working environment.

        This is why he should not have been appointed to this position, his views do not suit someone in such a position within such a company.

    • John from MN

      This wasn’t just some opinion. He gave money to invalidate the marriages of thousands in California. An opinion is one thing, but he tried to destroy the rights of gay people caused real and lasting harm. People died before their marriages were validated, people died before they could get married, people lost their visas and were deported because of this, a lot of gay couples had to flee the country and now don’t have the resources to return to California even if they wanted to, all because of Prop 8 and his money.

      If a potential CEO gave money to the Klu Klux Klan to try and invalidate interracial marriages or money to anti-semites to try and prevent Jewish marriages being recognized by the government do you really believe they would have gotten the position, let alone allowed to keep it?

      Now if he gives at least the same amount of money to an LGBT cause, apologizes, and come out in support of equality for all his employees Mozilla might have a valid reason for keeping him. Until then Mozilla continues to tarnish their name and their image, and continue to lose the respect and loyalty of their consumers.

      • http://www.bloketoys.co.uk/ BlokeToys.co.uk

        I don’t disagree at all.
        The problem here is that this was opened up to public vote, when the rights of people should never be up for such a public vote. No one should ever have the chance to vote against another group of people’s freedoms and rights in society.

        That’s not what is on the debate table here though. While we all agree that the vote should not have been possible, and we agree that anyone supporting such a vote should be criticized and ridiculed, he still has a right to his opinion, just as I have the right to uninstall FF and use something else.

        I can loathe him for having supported an effort to make an entire group of people second class citizens, but restricting their future based on that is not going to solve anything.

        Where do we go from this? Do we follow him and try to tell the owner of any restaurant or bar he ever visits what he supported? Do we lobby to have it added to his CV? Just how far do we go to “penalize” people for holding an opinion we find wrong?

        Remember, I still think it was a bad choice by Mozilla, and I still don’t support his position (primarily because it shows he has a lack of basic Humanity and decency, and that this goes against the general attitude of the company) but there has to be a limit to which those who disagree are “punished”.

        • John from MN

          Absolutely that should be done. Until he relents he should face the same discrimination he not only wishes on others, but actively tries to force on them. You don’t win against bigotry by saying “Meh, what are you going to do?”. He should NEVER have a position that could ever put him in charge of LGBT people in any way until he views us as equal.

          You don’t seem to understand… he is already punishing gays. Not just an opinion, but with actions. He isn’t just some guy who doesn’t like the gays. He is some influential guy who used his influence to actively hurt gay people and has not said he is sorry or that he won’t do it again, and this time with money earned from his position at Mozilla.

          By allowing him to become CEO, de facto spokesperson and figurehead of their company, his views are automatically part of Mozilla. That is how it works…. you can’t have an anti-abortion activist as CEO of Planned Parenthood without losing trust and creating conflicts of interest, you can’t have a racist as the head of the NAACP, you can’t have a bigot as CEO of a company that proposes to stand for equality to all.

        • John from MN

          I am not saying he should be, as you say, “punished” until he changes his mind, but he should have to take his own medicine. He doesn’t get to have it both ways… threaten the lives of gays and then say NO! Mine is off limits!

          Unless you are okay with having a bigot who doesn’t believe you are an equal person as your boss, with all the potential damage that could do your life, your finances, your career, and future job prospects I don’t think you should be advising that situation is fine for others.

          • Hengu

            I agree with you John, he has shown that he not merely holds bigotted opinions (which unfortunately some believe he is entitled to?) but the primary issue here is that those opinions were so valued by him that he felt he had to actively act in support of them. Should such a person be in an executive position where he can yield considerable influence in company policies or over the lives of other employees who hold a different set of values? I just dont think he will be impartial if in a situation where he has to execute decisions that contradict his values and thus he is morally compromised.

          • R.

            How exactly, for example Christianity, is not bigoted? Shouldn’t then all religious people step down for positions of power?

    • Steven Gregory

      Eich’s presence represents disapproval for no reason other than blanket bias. Having someone like that involved in the forward motion of the company and awarding of promotion and advancements is troubling, especially to GLBT employees.

      The twin cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul, Minnesota, are separated by bridges, yet during the tech boom of the late 1990s, Minneapolis rentals were 20% higher than the national average with waiting lists, while St. Paul had a high vacancy rate.

      The difference? Minnesota had openly and happily promoted its city to gays and lesbians as a friendly place for them and their families to settle. Dozens of companies relocated there. St. Paul had a mayor and city council who proudly proclaimed “traditional values” and set up housing structures making it difficult for unmarried adults to purchase homes together and in some cases share rentals as roommates.

      The result? That mayor and city council were voted out and St. Paul changed its property laws, began recognizing G/L partners in city government benefits, and joined with Minnesota’s campaign of welcome and equality for all citizens.

  • Be-el-zeebub

    What I find strange is that this man, whilst clearly very intelligent as the creator of Javascript, used his no doubt considerable income to support opposition of gay marriage.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript

    I wonder if there is the hand of “religion” behind his decision,

    • Joe McDougall

      Go on, take a guess…

    • Steven Gregory

      I wonder if he knows what it’s like to touch a real girl.

  • Jase

    The anti-gay Jesus freaks have a restaurant to eat at (Chick-Fil-A), a store to shop at (Hobby Lobby) and now they have their own Browser (Firefox).

    This is all good in a way, because the gay community can keep track of them easier.

    • Steven Gregory

      FireFOX, I shoulda known…
      It was shockingly easy to reset my defaults to Safari. I was one of those FireFOX users who sent in the requested financial contribution to help keep it free. Now they can do it without me and those who think like me.

  • Hengu

    Well that’s one browser i won’t be using again :(

  • Serkan M

    How can a CEO continue to work in an environment when not many people support his actions? He will loose respect, incur company profit loss and end up quitting anyway. How can you support equality but try to support the ban? This is going to end bloodily.

    • Steven Gregory

      I agree and hope you’re right about his ouster.

      There are some voices saying, “He’s just one person and it was only $1000.”
      When employees in your own company are moved enough to call for your ouster and others step down from the board of directors, eventually the company will take on a reputation for turmoil and unrest.

      Eich’s comment is disingenuous and condescending.

  • Colin

    Actions speek louder than words. By his actions we know deep down what he really thinks. This is a well paid job.

    • Steven Gregory

      Agreed. And it is a job that represents the company and is involved in the advancement and award of employee bonuses and work to outside firms.

  • GulliverUK

    The new statement they have released leave no room for doubt, they are for equality, including marriage equality

    http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2014/03/mozilla-we-support-marriage-equality.html

    “Mozilla’s mission is to make the Web more open so that humanity is stronger, more inclusive and more just. This is why Mozilla supports equality for all, including marriage equality for LGBT couples. No matter who you are or who you love, everyone deserves the same rights and to be treated equally.”

    • John from MN

      They were before. This is about their CEO’s financial support for the invalidation of thousands of gay marriages and blocking of gay people’s rights to marry.

      • GulliverUK

        He made a personal donation of $1000, he wasn’t on the board of NOM like Orson Scott Card, and other than that he didn’t appear to have any other involvement in Prop 8. We now have a statement saying that Mozilla support equal marriage rights, he didn’t say that on his blog (https://brendaneich.com/) and now that they have clarified it, which they would not have done without his approval, I’m happy to count them as an ally. Try pointing your kalashnikov at NOM, AFA, FRC, IFI, the Latter Day Saints, Catholic church, Southern Baptists and other haters who spent MILLIONS brainwashing people to vote against it. If it was a problem when he made it, we should have boycotted Mozilla at the time. We’ve all supported positions in life which we have later changed our minds about.

        ps. There are many browsers out there, we can boycott any at any time based on the actions of the company.

        • John from MN

          I’m not going after Mozilla, but I am not white washing their CEO.

          I have no problem with Mozilla. They are a great company. I have a problem with their CEO. I don’t care if the company says it’s all okay, we trust the guy. I don’t trust him, and any self respecting intelligent gay person shouldn’t either, until there is proof or tangible evidence that he has changed his ways. The CEO has to apologize, fix it, or tarnish their reputation. I have friends who had to leave the US because of Prop 8, and he helped make that happen. He has never once said he is sorry or tried to make it right.

          I am not going after Mozilla. I am also not going to forget about what
          Eich did, nor whitewash it like you seem to, nor forget that Mozilla knew about this and still saw fit to
          make him their CEO. I can also fight against the larger evil while doing so, because I can do more than walk and chew gum at the same time. How hard is that to grasp?

  • Cara

    The gays want to deny this man his 1st amendment RIGHT to free exercise of religion!!! THE gays are the bigots that are full of hate!!! They expect us to “tolerate” them & their lifestyle, but they REFUSE to tolerate our free exercise of religion, a PROTECTED right under the 1st amendment!!!

    • Andy Millan

      No one is saying he does not have the right to exercise his religion, or to donate money to whichever group of arseholes he chooses. However every action has consequences and if he supports bigotry we also have the right under the same 1st amendment to call him a bigot.

      • Feet2Fire

        And people have the right to “vote” with their dollars or their downloads. Firefox and that stupid Cupid site just shot themselves in the feet. LOL!

    • James!

      He can say what he wants and I can use whichever browser I want I deleted firefox from home and work computers.

      • paddyswurds

        I am a computer technician and I have installed Firefox on thousands of computers. I will be calling all those clients and asking them to remove Mozilla from their computers. Opera here I come!!

    • paddyswurds

      Not when your “free” exercise of you hateful religion inpinges on the human rights of another. Free exercise of your mental illnes does not give you the right to dictate or even pay money to rob me of any and all rights that you your self enjoy. No go crawl into your seething cesspit of hatred and rot with your gawd!!!….

    • http://www.bloketoys.co.uk/ BlokeToys.co.uk

      It’s not a First Amendment Right to attempt to subjugate others and give them fewer freedoms and rights than you!

    • Joe Sweet

      Saying something is one thing but actively donating is not freedom of speech. That is a blatant attempt to infringe upon our basic human rights. I’m willing to bet a million dollars you’d be just as angry as the LGBT community if it had been the other way around and he donated to a charity that says you have no right as a straight woman to marry a man.

  • Dan Murrow

    I have no problem firing someone who is ok with firing someone for being gay. Let them see how it feels.

    • Steven Gregory

      You have summed up what fairness-minded Mozilla employees fear most: perception of bias.

      Eich has never dared to mention bias against gay and lesbian employees, but it’s easy to make that assumption based on his financial involvement opposing equal marriage. If someone donated money to the Ku Klux Klan or the George Zimmerman Defense Fund, many people would assume racial bias.

  • Bernd

    time to switch to firefox, i hate gays

    • Joe Sweet

      ^^^^Yes because that shows how intelligent of a person you are…… or in your case, aren’t

  • AlanPS

    I think this is a bad precedent to ask him to step down. His political and religious views are his right. Have you folks never worked for a boss with different views than your own? I worked for a Muslim who personally told me he hated Jews. I told him I was a Christian who believed in the right of the Jews to Israel. He didn’t fire me or give me crap jobs, and I didn’t report him to corporate. We respected one another despite our completely opposite views. We worked together as a team to do our duties the job required. That’s tolerance. And that tolerance allowed us to have conversations where we shared our reasons for what we believed. Neither of us changed the other’s mind, but we still respected one another. Guess that’s too much to ask.

    • Joe Sweet

      Wonderful and what if hypothetically that same boss told you that he donated money to an organization that was calling to have your rights to a be married away because his religion doesn’t support the marriage of Christians…I’m sure you would be just as upset. He has the right to be a pious bigot, however actively participating in the destruction of basic human rights is more than just a political & or religious opinion. Under the same first amendment I have the right to call him out on it & also stress the Establishment Caluse, you know the one that says: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion nor prohibit the free practice thereof” so you can believe whatever you wish to believe but if the federal government says well because the Christian religion only defines marriage as between a man and a woman so we will not recognize the marriage of people of the same gender(which luckily DOMA was shot down)that is then a DIRECT violation of our First Amendment right which you Christians love to conveniently ignore or ignorantly ignore because I’m sure many of the one tooth rednecks that also hold the same views as you have yet to even see the contents of the bill of rights let alone understand it. Just s you conveniently pick and choose what to believe in your precious fairytale book known to you as the holy bible. You know like some of the passages that condone not only the right to have a slave but also dismissing sin if said slave dies in Exodus 21:20 “If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. “If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property.…” Or when you piss & moan about being pro life because your Christian when yet again, the bible clearly sides with the pro choicers heres some more enlightenment: “God does not regard the fetus as a soul, no matter how far gestation has progressed. The Law plainly exacts: ‘If a man kills any human life he will be put to death’ (Lev. 24:17). But according to Exodus 21:22–24, the destruction of the fetus is not a capital offense… Clearly, then, in contrast to the mother, the fetus is not reckoned as a soul.” real nice book you got there

      • AlanPS

        And nice assumptions you have there–where exactly did I state my political views on gay marriage or abortion? Maybe I believe Jesus when he said his kingdom is not of this earth, for if it were his disciples would fight for it. I pick and choose to believe that verse. You might call it Separation of Church and State. As a citizen of a government of, for and by the people, this CEO has the right to vote or push for legislation that you disagree with whether he believes in God or not, just as you do, and still keep his job as long as he performs his assigned duties adequately. And do learn a bit more about the old and new covenants of Judaism/Christianity before referring to the weak and worn-out argument of picking and choosing.

    • Feet2Fire

      Yes. It is too much to ask. TOLERANCE is *not* what the whiners are after. It is DOMINANCE they want. Too bad the ones being BULLIED are enabling this MOB MENTALITY that will only further GRIND AMERICA DOWN.

  • BlessPapaBenny

    Never used it before but I’ve just installed firefox.

    Gays give me the creeps.

  • gimmetoys

    Hmm, I think you can give valid reasons for ousting him and also for allowing him to stay. But the reality is, in that sort of highly scrutinised, highly visible role, you can’t be seen to pick on minorities.

    It’s good he apologised for upsetting people, but he didn’t admit he made a mistake. Big difference…

    Whatever we say or argue here, the internet will decide, as can be seen already with websites blocking Firefox on principle.

    • Feet2Fire

      They are now blocking Firefox out of disgust with the Mozillion-whiners and that stupid Cupid site. LOL! FF will take quite a hit from this nonsense.

  • Steven Gregory

    Nerd culture is fierce. Nowadays when a kid is good at computers it is encouraged. When many of the people who now make their living in computers were growing up, there weren’t schools of technology for young people, science fairs were for weaklings and outsiders, they were bullied and put down. Now they’ve found their place, their voice and their success.

    Whether or not they’re gay, many nerds are at their core opposed to oppression and bullying of those who are unpopular or outsiders. Eich represents bullying.

    • Feet2Fire

      HAH! He was BULLIED out of his job. Doesn’t get much “BOSSIER” than that!!

      • Steven Gregory

        Baloney. He wasn’t “BULLIED” out of anything.
        Mozilla claims to have corporate standards when it comes to inclusion. He exhibited behavior to the contrary, was called out, and his response was weak.
        You should have advocated him sooner, now it’s too late.

        • Feet2Fire

          No, we only just heard about it. But we’re not “advocating” for either party. We are OPPOSED to the “Mozillions” whining/bullying to get their way; most people are NOT behind this LYNCH-MOB STUFF. Mozilla will learn the hard way.

          • Steven Gregory

            Your characterizations are hyperbole: “LYNCH-MOB STUFF,” bullying. You seem to be the only one whining.
            Where do you get “most people” opinions? Out of the same stinky hole from which you pulled your head?

          • Feet2Fire

            HAH! That’s rich: STINKY HOLES within the context of “gay marriage”! Go away, perv.

          • Steven Gregory

            The context of “gay marriage?” The context is corporate policy. You really are dense and stupid. Your name-calling only underscores it, you’re on PINK NEWS.

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