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David Cameron: When people’s love is divided by law, it is the law that needs to change

  • kostas.lacon

    Congratulations to mr David Cameron !
    I love this magnificent prime minister !
    Greetings from Greece .

    • Jesus_Mohammed

      Steady on, Kostas. One or two magnificent pieces of legislation do not make a “magnificent prime minister”. For example, Cameron is overseeing a party intent upon privatising our National Health System. His has permitted his Education Minister to muck about with education to little avail. And so on, and so on.

  • your_bliss_is_showing

    Just wondering, do you have to be gay to get married same-sex in the UK?

    • Jones

      What a peculiar question.

      • your_bliss_is_showing

        Why?

        There are plenty of benefits to take advantage of.

        Can I do it with my non-gay same-sex friend?

        • brianrf

          Sure, in the same way that a gay man could marry a straight woman (in an opposite-sex marriage) so they both have benefits. Think through your argument the next time you want to make one…

          • your_bliss_is_showing

            That is exactly what I am thinking about.

            Opposite gender relationships are hard.

            Same gender friendships without sex are easy.

            Get all the benefits and avoiding the hassle of opposite sex marriage.

          • Rehan

            Opposite gender relationships are hard. Same gender friendships without sex are easy.

            God forbid that in the modern industrialised West, with all the advantages of education and experience, we should resort to trite and stale stereotypes, eh?

          • your_bliss_is_showing

            Which stereotype is that?

            I see none at all in what I said.

          • Jack

            When your ready to come out let us know. Why else would you read pink news?

          • your_bliss_is_showing

            Because it is in the Google news feed.

            Are all of you this nasty?

          • de Villiers

            I cannot help but think you are being nasty in the message that you have posted. It is also inconsistent with wanting to uphold the meaning of marriage.

            You have asked whether you could get married to another male in order to gain the tax advantages. That would mean that you could not married to a woman until you were then divorced from the male. It would also mean the other heterosexual male could not get married to a woman.

            Such an action would be inconsistent with the meaning of marriage being a union between two people for the totality of their lives, during sickness and health until parted by death.

            There can be no proper reason why you have posed such a question other than to two to undermine the gay marriage and, it follows, to be nasty to the gay people on this site.

          • your_bliss_is_showing

            So in other words, you just figured out it isn’t “gay marriage”.

            Boy what a huge mistake your country made not understanding the difference between “same-sex” and “gay”.

            Kinda makes you all look foolish.

          • de Villiers

            I cannot understand your logic. When Britney Spears got married in a shotgun wedding which she then had dissolved would that not be “marriage”? When a straight person marries another purely for the right to live in a different country, would that not be “marriage”?

            Your message made a stupid point. It was that two straight men could marry each other. But they would only want to marry a person they loved, which would be another woman. Which would reinforce that marriage was for someone you loved. The posited point was nonsensical – because of what marriage is and represents.

            I cannot see how my reply is foolish. I can see how your message is.

          • Jack

            I can’t speak for the UK, but in the US you could get married in states that allow it. However, you better make sure your buddy has a good credit rating, because lets say he takes out a loan and default on the loan you would be liable to pay it back or your own credit would be ruin. Married for love not for convenience. That’s all I have to say.

          • Rehan

            Which stereotype is that?

            Yes, I should have written ‘generalisations’.

          • your_bliss_is_showing

            And which ‘generalization’ is that?

          • Rehan

            Good grief, just look again at what you wrote!

          • Jesus_Mohammed

            You need to beware. Same-sex marriage comes with all the same “hassle” as heterosexual married couples experience. And it sounds like you’ll have a very unhappy time accepting your role in the marital bed!

          • your_bliss_is_showing

            What hassles can’t be avoided with a prenuptial?

        • https://twitter.com/Peacemoon1 Andrew Maund

          If you can find a ‘friend’ who is willing to marry you for the legal benefits it brings, then good luck to you sir. Just make sure its someone you can really trust,

    • Jesus_Mohammed

      If you’re not gay and thinking of pretending you are and taking advantage of SSM for other benefits, you’d better prepare for a life of guilt and secretiveness, because if you are found out you will be in big trouble. And here in the UK we don’t tolerate liars when we detect them.

      • your_bliss_is_showing

        Why would anyone even have to say they were gay?

        No guilt. No secretiveness, No worries. 100% legal.

        The liars you shouldn’t be tolerating are the ones that told everyone “same–sex” equals “gay”.

        Biggest lie of all time.

        Oh wait, that’s you all.

        • Not Telling

          But of course, you’re genuinely concerned about people abusing the system. You definitely don’t have an anti-gay agenda do you? You’re definitely not trying to make up reasons to be against SSM?

          • your_bliss_is_showing

            LOL @ “anti-gay”

            I think your system should be completely abused because your country was too dumb to figure out “same-sex” does not equal “gay”,

          • Not Telling

            Poor you. Just can’t bear to see gay people being treated equally can you? I bet this news story gave you an aneurism.

            How long will you be clutching at straws before you let go?

          • your_bliss_is_showing

            I couldn’t stop laughing and still can’t!

            You are “equal” to any two heterosexual friends.

            Congratulations! Huge progress!

            LMFAO

          • Not Telling

            People usually laugh when they’re caught out.

            You seem to be failing to understand that ‘same sex’ encompasses ‘gay’… Sure two friends can get married to cheat the system (whether they’re opposite sex or same sex), but now couples can get married (straight couples and gay couples). So yeah, equality. Your argument makes literally no sense.

            And it doesn’t make sense because you’re a desperate homophobe. And a dim-witted one at that. Sorry about that.

          • Jesus_Mohammed

            You can write “LMFAO” as often as you like, but you know, and we know, you’re not laughing. You’re full of hatred towards people who are homsexual. That’s a problem you need to work on. Seek the services of a psychiatrist or a mental health professional.

    • Paul

      No is the simple answer you need to be of the same sex. It is same sex marriage not ‘gay’ marriage.

      • your_bliss_is_showing

        I wonder if people would have supported it if they were told that simple truth. From the responses, they don’t seem to like it.

        One even said it would be “inconsistent with wanting to uphold the meaning of marriage” and speaking that truth “undermines gay marriage”.

        Another said, “you’d better prepare for a life of guilt and secretiveness” and that “in the UK we don’t tolerate liars when we detect them”. As though someone would have to say they were gay.

        Maybe you all should have talked about it a little more first.

        • Ty Kendall

          Your bigotry is showing.

    • Ancelin

      Of course not, you don’t have to be gay to have a same-sex marriage. You could be bisexual in a same-sex relationship. You could be a trans man or trans women while your gender is not recognised by the state or in the closet and straight.

  • Adam

    Too bad his version of equality doesn’t include disabled people, he’s finished in 2015.

    • de Villiers

      Disability is a protected ground in the Equality Act 2010. So your message is probably wrong.

      • Adam

        Nope but putting them through hell for financial help which is a reason why I pay my taxes does, so you’re wrong in your assumptions. Somehow Labour are ahead in the polls, he’s finished.

        • de Villiers

          I have made no assumptions. I stated one fact – that disability is a protected ground in the Equality Act. You are not speaking of equality – you are speaking of disabled people having financial welfare payments to which non-disabled people are not entitled. Which is not the equality about which you write.

        • PeteFromSouthend

          Unfortunately, Labour designed the system that the ConDems are now implenting with such relish. My civil partner had his wheelchair vehicle taken away last April (on the day of Lady Thatcher’s funeral no less). We’ve been fighting, unsuccessfully, to get it back ever since. Banging my head against a brick wall for so long has made me ill in the process. Labour have given no indication that they’ll treat the disabled any more fairly. We attended a demo outside the local ATOS office recently. Not a single politician from any of the major parties joined us.

        • john

          Living in a fantasy world.

  • Jones

    If you’ve done something right Prime Minister, it’s this.

    • Jesus_Mohammed

      True words, Jones. I’m no Tory, I’ve no wish to be sucked into The
      Establishment, but it can’t be denied that Cameron has done a fine
      thing in helping to get SSM through and in helping bring us closer to full
      equality with our heterosexual counterparts. Cameron has helped to lessen UK homophobia.

      • TGIF

        Cameron is an opportunist and sees a vote winner siding with gays

        • Jayboy

          Actually no.It’s probably harmed him politically but he nevertheless did the right thing.Give credit where credit is due.

    • Chosen few

      LAST DAYS SODDOM & GORMORAH

  • Robert Tubere

    Now if marriages between people and animals are legalised, the phrase “son of a b***h” will become a term of endearment.

    • Tayo

      THE SLIPPERY SLOPE!!!

  • Grammar man

    Got typo “That is not something that the State should ever deny someone on the basis of their sexuality” – Should be ‘never deny someone’

    • AJayne

      The sentence is correct as written. Remember the “double negative” rule?

  • justin brothers

    god will be appear soon ………..!!! country will gett great disaster ……………citizen will face hard time ?????

    • Aussie wit a swozzie

      I’m a catholic and even our church doesn’t hate or condem homosexuality with the virulent hate towards individuals anymore (thankfully). Pope Francis has come out and said we need be kind and christian to all peoples.Why are you evangelicals so hateful…..we Catholic are still changing, evolving and growing after 2000 years, many of your churches have been around less than 50 and yet seem so convinced you have everything right…?

      Congrats England and Wales….. Hold your head high.

      • Jesus_Mohammed

        Dump the Catholic cult, Aussie. And all cults. You don’t need to live a life of ridiculous “holy” books and mumbo-jumbo.

      • halling

        ‘I’m a catholic and even our church doesn’t hate or condem homosexuality with the virulent hate towards individuals anymore (thankfully).’ Still some way to go though!

    • cantake8

      When is “soon?”
      Is “god” only coming to give great disaster and hard time, or can “god” clean up some of the disease and suffering while here? Your Bogey Man scare tactics are utterly ridiculous. The Global Financial Crisis happened already, too bad you can’t blame that on equal marriage.

  • tinbrors

    *** holy mother wipe her eye *** thats mean great disaster face same nation ……

  • african prediction

    2014 april 15 red moon will appear great sky ……… white nation will be great trable .

    • cantake8

      trable?

      • http://www.jaffacakesandsodomy.net Paul

        Maybe it’s like a very large tribble?

    • Jon (Malaysia)

      That doesn’t surprise me at all. 15 April is the day income tax is due in my home country.

  • Helge Vladimir Tiller

    TODAY 29. Mars ! The sun is shining in Oslo, Norway too. To honour The UK and those happy couples who finally get the blessing from the total society. I intend to go out and celebrate, with a nice dinner and warm thoughts for my friends in England and Wales !

  • Not Telling

    This is an occasion where I can put aside my political disagreements and thank David Cameron for going ahead with this despite the backlash from his party.

    It was nice to see all the party leaders agreeing on such a positive thing for a change.

    • jazatw

      Completely agree. I have never, nor will I ever, vote Tory. But I thank Mr Cameron for his political courage and leadership in driving this through in the face of some pretty nasty opposition.

      • GulliverUK

        I tend to agree with you and Not Telling, … but, … if we had the LibDems in power, Labour, or a LibDem / Labour coalition, or even (incredibly) a Tory/Labour coalition (I know, hard to believe) .. would we not have also expected them to advance equal marriage? I mean, the time has come, and equal marriage is a LibDem policy, and one which Labour supports.

        Do you mean that the Tories were the least likely “mainstream” (having any chance in power) to put forward equal marriage, and yet the coalition government did it. But they were partly pushed in to that by the LibDems and Labour, and their essential need to both modernise the party, and remove the “nasty party” image. More than half of Tory MPs voted against it – so as a party they were not in favor of it, but Cameron stuck to his convictions despite that. Let’s not forget the LibDems, Lynn Featherstone, Theresa May, Maria Miller, and all the others pushing it forward, including EqualLove, C4EM, Pinknews, and tens of thousands of people around the country.

        • Jake28

          There is always a “but” with you Gulliver. You can play hypotheticals all you want but at the end of the day it wasn’t a Labour govt or any other coalition of parties that brought in marriage equality. It was brought in under a Tory PM (who had half his own party against it). Can’t you just acknowledge that, say thanks and leave it at that?

          Hope you are having a great weekend?

          • Cal

            Though not a Tory voter, I am delighted with David Cameron, for pushing this legislation through that was so unpopular with his party. One could argue that the Tories were the best party to get behind equal marriage as their voters were the most likely to oppose it. Having a Tory Prime Minister at the helm took the wind out of many a bigots sail.

          • GulliverUK

            Thank you Mr Cameron for giving us equal rights, even if most Tory MPs were against it :-p Ok? I don’t get a weekend all the time, but did this time, and it was great, thanks :)

          • Tionis

            Gulliver has childhood issues, he needs help

          • Jake28

            Is such a comment really necessary?

  • cantake8

    Congratulations England and Wales!

  • halling

    All this talk of ‘this country’ and ‘equality’ is a bit shallow. Cameron is UK Prime Minister. He’s talking about England and Wales. Scotland has passed its own legislation. No change in NI.

  • Jon Newman

    I just can’t figure why the Tories would legalise gay marriage. According to their track record they should hate and detest gays. Its as if the BNP suddenly embraced black people.

    What happened to “thou shall not intentionally promote homosexuality or publish material with the intention of promoting homosexuality” or “promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship”?

    • Guest99

      That was in the 80s..things change..people and parties change their minds..Labour vehemently opposed practically everything Thatcher and the Tories did in the 80s and 90s and then came to power in 97….aaaaand kept absolutely everything that they had done! The fact of the matter is that it will always be a Conservative Prime Minister who introduced equal marriage snd for that David Cameron deserves much credit

      • Robert W. Pierce

        I give Cameron credit for sure but let’s not forget that had it not been for the LibDems there would have been no marriage bill. It only happened because Clegg pushed it and the only party that officially adopted it as policy. The other two didn’t. Without the coalition, I very much doubt if we would be celebrating today.

        • CHBrighton

          Even ten years ago Cameron was supporting anti-gay legislation – he didn’t want to abolish the odious Clause 28. Still, at least he led the battle for equal marriage although it seems he’s since had doubts about whether he should have done so (worried about loss of votes for his party from the Tory extreme wing and potential Kippers).

        • john

          Rubbish…

    • Adam

      It was the Lib Dems who introduced it. This isn’t a Tory government its a coalition. Cameron saw it as a vote winner if this was a full Tory parliament, he would strongly oppose it. he did 10 years ago.

    • Colin

      WE are changing daily. I also think those in Politics try hard to see life from many angles. Beliefs I held 5 years ago I have changed due to study and life experience or people I have met challenged my thinking. The Tory party is changing and Cameron is trying to get those changes.

    • Liam

      Pragmatism. LGBT rights has steadily gained support over the decades and shows no sign of slowing down, the party may lose the support of a few moralistic social conservatives, but it will gain a lot more votes from LGBT and younger people. It’s actually very conservative in a way. ‘Change in order to conserve’ -Edmund Burke.

  • James!

    Yeah great news. Shame that poor lgbt people on estates still live in fear in some laces. And pink news as you are the leading lgbt website in the uk you better tidy up your act. Yours was the only site that cropped out the white guy and showed the Latino woman who’s son was kicked in the stomach by the man. I ready to go to the pcc this sites racism has gone unchecked for too long.

  • Sal Noggi

    Congratulations to all those brave people in the UK who made this possible

    • Robert W. Pierce

      England and Wales became the 16th country taken together as one, Scotland could arguably be included as number 16 instead of 17. I really don’t know how to construe it. That said, which countries comprise 18, 19 and 20?

  • GulliverUK

    “we will at last have equal marriage in our country”

    No, we don’t. If David Cameron things the current situation is ok, let him tell us how much pension he will get, and how much he would get if he was married to a man.

    That other work-in-progress towards equality, on the marriage front, would be equal survivor pension benefits? If two-thirds of private pension providers are still discriminating, when will that grievous harm be fixed? Please don’t go in to the election saying you’ve delivered ‘equal marriage’ or people will believe you don’t actually know what the word “equal” means. Well done, to the LibDems, and the Tories, even if over half the Tory party voted against it, and make some pretty repugnant remarks in the two years of debate and in Parliament.

  • Tiger Lily

    Now can we have equality for intersex people, non-binary people and trans people?

  • Colin

    Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg. Thank you to you and many others for making this happen for a minority group. I am sure you and the people of the United Kingdom will gain in so many ways from this change in society. Our country maybe not perfect is a shining beacon in a troubled world. But other countries will now look to the UK for guidance and learn from us taking the inclusive society back to their homelands.

    Human rights never mind gay rights advanced. I look forward maybe not in my lifetime to a global human rights bill.

    • Helge Vladimir Tiller

      YOU are so human, Colin ! You always want the best for everyone. I’m sure you had wonderful parents. No wars in this World if everybody were like you !

  • IftikharA

    We are animals. The primary purpose of our sexual capacity is reproduction. The main goal of reproduction is to leave the greatest number of living offspring.

    Our reproductive anatomy is perfectly adapted for interaction with a member of the
    opposite sex. It is not adapted for interaction with the same sex. For instance,
    the anus can be severely damaged by anal sex. It wasn’t meant for that kind of
    treatment.

    The brain of a gay person is in an all out battle with points 1 and 2. Being homosexual causes a person to not leave the greatest number of surviving offspring. Artificial insemination is a new concept and is inefficient. The gay persons brain when it comes to sex is not in harmony with a body that wishes at some level to reproduce but he simply desires to gain sexual fulfilment. That leaves out the main purpose of sex. The gay persons brain causes them to want to use their bodies anatomy in a completely reversed and unhelpful way.

    If your brain is telling you to do the opposite of what your body is adapted perfectly to do then you are suffering from a form of illness. That behavior is not healthy or
    normal.

    I know that many feel differently. Considering what I just said above; why do you feel differently?

    As a true Muslim and believer im condemning this… our religion is flexible enough but no space for such rubbish… there is a detailed chapters in our religion book THE NOBLE QUR’AN in which you will find the story of ” People of LOT” who were involve in the same sin “The Homosexuality”, they all were destroyed b’coz of homosexuality…. Anatomy of anus is not fit for sexual act…. biology. Anus is endodermal in origin so its wound never heals. So, it becomes quite unnatural to get into anus. People find it disgusting to insert and move about the male executive organ into the anus, which serves to discharge the faeces.

    It’s all right to insert the same organ into the vagina, which serves only to void urine, discharge menstrual blood and various other defilements, and eject the occasional baby followed by the after-birth.There is no place for homosexuality Islam. There is
    no place for same sex marriage in Islam either. And there is definitely evidence
    of this ban in the Qur’an. Islam merely hates the sin – not the sinner. Islam
    definitely prohibits homosexuality. The conflict is not with the treatment of homosexuals. It is with whether or not a same gender relationship is acceptable for a practising Muslim. Just like it is not acceptable/permissible for a practicing Muslim to drink alcohol or smoker have pre marital sex, it is not permissible to engage in a same gender relationship. Muslims don’t deny the natural urge of people but have rules to prevent these urges from being fed.

    It seems pretty obvious to anyone who “uses their own brain” to recognise that without procreation there is no culture, society or the future of humanity. No society will be sustainable unless this basic and fundamental act of procreation is recognised. You may, because of your ideological persuasion and over stating of rights and equality beyond their healthy parameter , think all marriages and union are the same, but that doesn’t make it so. Gay marriage/union maybe the same as traditional marriage in their love but don’t tell me they are the same in their social value, cultural value and civilizational value. One union is essential the other is optional.

    Homosexuality is an insult to women. Men and women get sexual and emotional satisfaction from each other. Without them the human race is not going to survive. This is the main reason why Islam is against homosexuality. It is nothing to do with equality. Muslim community, Imams and Muslim schools must teach that homosexuality is a sin and against the teaching of Islam. Multiculturalism is not about integration but about cultural plurality. It is not about separation but about respect and the deepening awareness of Unity in Diversity. Each culture will maintain its own intrinsic value and at the same time would be expected to contribute to the benefit of the whole society. Multiculturalism can accommodate diversity of all kinds – cultural, philosophical and religious – so that we can create a world without conflict and strife. Britain can assume the role of accommodation and concern for all peoples, for our planet and indeed for our survival.

    Why are we constantly hearing about an issue that effects less than 2% of the world’s population?!!! What about issues that effect everyone such as wealth inequality and dangerous banking? Obviously there’s nothing more important to society today than gay rights. Gay marriage is a subject being spoken about in America and France as well as here.( maybe in other countries as well) Now, This is not an important thing at the moment with everything else that is happening. I don’t see what difference it makes if you call it marriage or a civil partnership. It doesn’t mean that the relationship is going to last any longer or be a happier one.Why in this age should rights be bestowed because of birth? Where is the equality in this? Although, why “other grounds”, why not just “sexuality”? It’s not a swear word.Equal rights to marry a Catholic? Didn’t think so.

    Homosexuality doesn’t just go against the Bible, Quran, and whatever the Jewish book is called, It goes against Mother Nature as well. Here are some quotes from the koran regarding Homosexuals. Homosexual acts are condemned as unnatural. (Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you?) 7:80-81 Male homosexual activities are condemned as unnatural. 26:165-6 Male homosexuals commit abominations and act senselessly. 27:54-55 Male homosexuals acts are condemned as unnatural. 29:28-29

    I can let most things go but the Gay lobby has gone too far with this nonsense… It is time to start fighting back, Our core values are being corrupted, How far before it’s too far, You answer that for yourselves.

    IA

    London School of Islamics Trust

    • jazatw

      I like kittens although my cat’s breath smells of cat food.

    • Not Telling

      Oh no. You’re condemning this are you? What ever will we do? I don’t care what your imaginary god or anyone else’s imaginary god says about gay people. You can abide by the laws of your god YOURSELF. Let people live their own lives. Do you believe that they’re going to burn in hell? THEY DON’T CARE. They don’t believe in hell. Let them burn in “hell”.

      If muslims want to live cohesively in Britain, they need to stop spouting this hateful nonsense. Otherwise as the country moves forward, they will feel increasingly at odds with it’s values. If you hate it that much, move. Not because you’re a muslim, mind you because tolerant muslims won’t have a problem living here.

    • Ty Kendall

      You seem quite pre-occupied with “the anus”. I find this quite telling.

      • halling

        Speaks from the arse too!

    • halling

      I am little interested in this – YOUR – nauseating view of the world. With all that’s wrong in Britain – multi-culturalism, gay lobbying, equality etc. – isn’t there somewhere more heavenly you’d like to be?

    • Jon (Malaysia)

      I give you a bit of credit. You seem to have read at least part of that horrible book before you made your comment. I’ve read the bible (that jewish thing you refer to is commonly called the torah although that isn’t wholly accurate and sometimes referred to as the old testament by christians) and it was truly the second most boring thing I’ve ever read bar none. The most boring was the koran however you spell it. I was forced to read the bible when I was about 13 when I was sent to bible camp at about age 13 and it was the only entertainment we were allowed to take (well except those fun body parts they couldn’t separate us from). I read the koran (granted in English which I know the nutters say is cheating. but I surely wasn’t going to learn Arabic just for something as stupid as that book) when I moved to Malaysia to meet a lover. I decided to read it so I would know what the loonies were talking about. What rubbish! I’ve never picked up either again. I don’t need the migraine. So many christian comments imply that the writers haven’t actually read the bible, and who can blame them it’s such a bad read!

    • GulliverUK

      The “London School of Islamics Trust” seems like a made-up name to hide a troll who goes around web sites, all over, church, local councils, spreading hate, and has been doing this for at least 2 years as far as I can see. This person “Iftikhar Ahmad is actually being denounced by lots of Muslims. Does “he” have links to the Muslim Council of Britain? Same name as one of their associates? The MCB only represents 1/3 of Muslims in the UK, and a former leader was executed in Pakistan for the murders of 17 people.

      Then ofcourse it could just be a member of the EDL trying to stir up hate, between Muslims and everyone else in the UK, by pretending to be this invented persona – after all, the hate doesn’t stop with us, it’s firmly aims at Christians. What better way to start a war. Perhaps MI5 should be looking at these groups even more closely to correlate examples of hate, and consider using terrorism laws against the offenders, whomever they might be.

      Consider this;

      “As a true Muslim and believer im condemning this.”
      and
      “Here are some quotes from the koran regarding Homosexuals.”

      We have a “true Muslim” who spells Quran incorrectly. You would think they could at least spell the name of their own holy book correctly !

      Nice try tho troll.

      • GulliverUK

        And just one more thing. With Disqus we can see previous posts, he has posted the web site as http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk in his post on The Telegraph (which results in a legit site, but server error, so doesn’t load the main page). And Nominet gives the details as;

        http://www.nominet.org.uk/whois/lookup?query=londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

        An address in E7, London. When you look that up on a map it goes to the same address as …. London School Of Islamic Psychotherapy (listed as a non-profit on Google+)
        Further searching shows; Contact Name: Iftikhar Ahmad
        http://www.newhamfaiths.org.uk/london-school-of-islamics-social-psychotherapy/

        Which means Newham Borough Council and the Government are funding an organisation run by someone who deliberately posts hateful messages on a web site run for discussion of news topics by people who are LGBT and their allies.

        • Jesus_Mohammed

          Well done, Gulliver! You are ace! Maybe we should report this sad deluded Iftikhar Ahmad person to the police?

      • IftikharA

        London School of Islamics an educational Trust. It’s aim is to make British public, institutions and media aware of the needs and demands of the Muslim community in the field of education and possible solution.

        Legally, the state has an obligation to respect the rights of parents to ensure that ‘education and teaching(of their children) is in conformity with their own religious and philosophical convictions.’
        The schools must satisfy the spiritual, moral, social, and cultural needs of Muslim pupils. State schools with non-Muslim monolingual teachers are not in a position to satisfy their needs.

        A good school is not just a knowledge factory or a conveyor
        belt for churning out exam passes – it is a community, a family. A community is held together by common values and principles.

        It is a common saying that British schooling is upholding British values of integration, respect, tolerance and equality. But all minority groups find British schooling is the home of institutional racism and British teachers are chicken racist. This is one of the many reasons why they would like to see their children attending their own schools with their own teachers. Sikh and Hindu communities have set up their own schools. Now Black community is thinking of setting up schools with their own teachers.

        Western media and politicians have been trying their best to
        propagate against Muslim schools. Muslim schools are even called Osama bin Laden Academies by a Teaching Union. Only less than 5% of Muslim children attend Muslim schools while more than 95% are in state schools to be mis-educated and de-educated by non-Muslim monolingual teachers. The demand for state funded
        Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Muslim community is not asking for any favour. Muslim community pays all sorts of taxes and is less burden on social services. Church leaders say it is no longer “appropriate” for them to run Sacred Heart RC Primary School which has just six Christian pupils. The school in Blackburn, Lancs, could be handed to the nearby Masjid-e-Tauheedul mosque.

        The Muslim community has been passing through a phase of
        fourth Crusades. The battleground is the field of education, where the young generation will be educated properly with the Holly Quran in one hand and Sciences in other hand to serve the British society and the world at large. A true Muslim is a citizen of the world, which has become a small global village. We are going to prepare our youth to achieve that objective in the long run. A true Muslim believes in Prophet Moses and the Prophet Jesus and without them one cannot be a Muslim. My suggestion is that in all state, independent and Christian based school special attention should be given to the teaching of Comparative Religion and Islam should be taught by qualified Muslim Teachers to make the children aware the closeness of Islam to Christianity and Judaism which will help them to think about Islam, as “A Pragmatic and Modern Way of Life,”
        during their life time.

        Muslim schooling is on the rise in the West. Anti-Muslim
        attitudes in state schools contribute to its growth. There are 240 to 250 private Islamic schools in the U.S. The increasing enrolment in these schools reflects the religion’s growing number of Muslims and the desire of parents to shelter young Muslims from discrimination and discomfort they might encounter at state schools. But Islamic schools, like mosques and other Islamic institutions, can be viewed with distrust and even hostility. Jewish Schools in Israel teach
        Children about Evolution. They have a curious way of teaching it. They said the Jews were made by god and the Palestinians evolved from apes. On the other hand, Muslim schools teach children that human beings are from Adam and Eve (peace be upon them).

        The demand for Muslim schools comes from parents who want
        their children a safe environment with an Islamic ethos. Parents see Muslim schools where children can develop their Islamic Identity where they won’t feel stigmatised for being Muslims and they can feel confident about their faith. Muslim schools are working to try to create a bridge between communities. There is a belief among ethnic minority parents that the British schooling does not
        adequately address their cultural needs. Failing to meet this need could result in feeling resentment among a group who already feel excluded. Setting up Muslim school is a defensive response. State schools with monolingual teachers are not capable to teach English to bilingual Muslim children. Bilingual teachers are needed to teach English to such children along with their mother tongue. According to a number of studies, a child will not learn a second language if
        his first language is ignored.

        I have been campaigning for state funding Muslim school since early 70s. I set up the first Muslim school in London in 1981. Now there are 188 Muslim schools and only 12 are state funded. I would like to see each and every Muslim child in a Muslim school and I believe that one day my dream would come true.

        Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non -Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.
        IA
        London School of Islamics Trust

        • GulliverUK

          Some of that crap is word-for-word what you wrote in 2012, and which was refuted in full by many. You’re spamming. This is off-topic and has nothing to do with equal marriage. Nobody gives a toss about religious education – most people in this country now think religious schools are wrong. Religion should be kept private, out of the schooling system — keep it in the mosques and churches, in their own time, at their own expense. This conversation is now at an end.

          • Colin

            Well said. Best

          • Jon (Malaysia)

            Thank you for doing the research.

        • Jesus_Mohammed

          Iftikhar Ahmad, Islam is a delusion. It is a system of pure nonsense. It subscribes to belief in the supernatural. There is no god, or gods, or djinns. Your head is crammed full of Islamic brainwash. You are exactly the same as indoctrinated Catholics, indoctrinated Jews, indoctrinated Mormons, brainwashed Scientologists, and so on, and so on.

          Everyone who surrenders all sense and rationality to the proclamations of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism, the Baha’i Faith, the Unification Church, Spiritism, the Sumerian religion, Cheondoism, Druidism, Druze, the Ancient Egyptian religion, the Etruscan religion, the Polytheism of Ancient Greece, Hermeticism, Atenism, LaVeyan Satanism, Mandaeanism, Manichaeism, Meher Baba, New Age religions, Orphism, the Rastafari movement, Ravidassia, Samaritanism, Scientology, Shinto, the Native American Church, Swedenborgianism, Taoism, Tenrikyo, Thelema, Urantianism, Wicca, Yarsan, Yazidi, Bon, Yoruba, Asatru, Ayyavazhi, and Zoroastrianism, is, clearly, by dint of this very list, DELUDED. Mentally ill.

          Step back. Imagine yourself standing on the moon, looking down at the earth.

          Look at all those thousands of people down there who have a religion.

          Each group believes passionately that its religion is right, that it is “the answer”.

          But look, there are dozens of these religions and they’re all different!

          So, what’s up?

          Answer: they are all the imagined inventions of groups of human beings who have not been able to face the simple fact that there is nothing other than ourselves, that there is no magical supernatural being of any kind.

          So Iftikhar Ahmad, be a TRULY BRAVE and COURAGE person, and go join those other truly brave and courageous people who have kicked Islam into the gutter, where it deserves to be. Become an atheist, and then live according to the timeless moral code of humanism.

          • Jon (Malaysia)

            I wish I could have stated it so will with so many examples. Thank You. I’d like to say thank you (your name) but I have a hard time putting those words together in a sentence :)

    • Jesus_Mohammed

      Feeling so sorry for you, “London School of Islamics Trust”. It must be awful to be without the abilities to love another human being, and to enjoy sexual pleasure. So sorry that for you the only point of getting married is to inject your semen inside a woman. Your life sounds pleasureless. My condolences.

  • jopa66

    “When people’s love is divided by law, it is the law that needs to change.”
    Funny, I don’t recall God changing His Law when people didn’t like it.

    • Tim Chapman

      There is no god.

  • Ian G Morton

    Im so over the gay marrige thing. I have fought all of my life for equality. I had a civil partnership 4 years ago and have always classed myself as married. What I have found difficult to handle is the LGTB pressure groups and the vile out pourings from fellow homos if you spoke out or questioned gay “marraige”. There is a nasty judgemental PC group that are setting a gay agenda and they demonise anyone who doesnt agree with them. They linked the campaign to black civil rights movement, so wrong on many levels. There are many gay men esp who are feeling disenfranchised from the gay community because for many years they (and I) were fighting to have the alternative lifestyle accepted. Now been alternative is wrong we have to be “normal”

    • Jesus_Mohammed

      Don’t be so daft, Ian. Marriage is not now required of homosexual citizens. There will continue to be single homosexuals and single heterosexuals. There will continue to be homosexuals and heterosexuals who prefer NOT to get married. Sounds like your one of them. Fine. But surely don’t begrudge those who wish to enjoy equal rights with heterosexual people.

      • Ian G Morton

        You missed the point, I was making. I disagree with how the whole gay marrige debate was handle. It is another example of PC madness. Gay marrige isnt that different to civil partnerships. It just a lable. But some people get so hung up on labels.

  • Barrie Fairbairn

    I am in a Civil Partnership. I do not have personality issues which cause me to feel there is something remiss about our status. I do however object to persons , in particular Tories , making references to ‘Upgrade’ as if there was or is anything deficient about a CP.
    his own vanity?
    The reason the use of the word ‘ marriage ‘ was excluded from the Labour law enabling Civil Partnerships was due to the almost total opposition of the Conservatives and the various barmy houses of Abrahamic faith.

    Same sex marriage is for people who believe in Fairy Tales. Labour was the party which delivered equality under the law with the Civil Partnership. Same sex marriage is but a Tory stunt to grab the gay vote. Let’s not forget many Conservative MPs Councilors and 1000’s of party members hate ‘gay marriage’ almost as much as they hate Europe and the poor. Remember if Labour and Green and Liberal had not supported this the Conservatives would not have managed to make it law.
    This is NOT a victory for the nasty Party. This is Labour finishing it’s work.

    • Jesus_Mohammed

      You say marriage is “fairy tales”, but even if that is true do not homosexual citizens have as equal a right to “fairy tales” as heterosexual citizens?

      • Barrie Fairbairn

        To repeat: he reason the use of the word ‘ marriage ‘ was excluded from the Labour law enabling Civil Partnerships was due to the almost total opposition of the Conservatives and the various barmy houses of Abrahamic faith. Faith and State should have no relationship whatsoever. I am happy the deluded maintained their definition of marriage to be defined by a few scrolls and carved stones written by MEN in the middle east. No problem for me . What is a problem is making faith relevant to a secular contract. This is regressive. And I should know just how regressive faith is. My partner is muslim and he lives in the shadow of Islam: dealth and mutilation. The same goes for the Christians. Thankfully the mad and recently conscripted ultra orthodox Jews tend not to kill gays. They just have the Torah which tells them the land of ‘Milk and Honey’ goes right over to Iraq. Gays can have their fairy tale. In a blessing after a State Secular Civil Partnership.

  • benny

    absolutely disagree with with cameron on what he said, not about Gays marrying , i feel every one should have that right, love is such an important thing in life , so is family life, what a pity his further comment about any law that stops loving people being together should be changed, here we have a monster that brought a law / rule into the UK to keep genuine British loving couples and their children apart,
    why , because they fell in love with a person from another country, it will be interesting to see if now gay marriage is law, gays will be treated the same if they fall in love with a non EU person, at the moment Gays are so very often given visas, where genuine loving heterosexual couples are not, why because of fear of the back lash from gay news papers and support groups, what a sad world we live in, when a prime minister can say that to the thousand of lives he has personally destroyed, no doubt this will not be printed , sadly the truth never is ,

    • GulliverUK

      Your homophobia is clear – take it somewhere else.

      “Gays are so very often given visas, where genuine loving heterosexual couples are not,”

      ^ so heterosexual couples are genuine but gay couples are not. Nobody will want to help you out here, nobody will have have any time for you, with a piss-poor attitude like that. I would have been interested in knowing some examples and more details, perhaps if there was an issue we could have worked together (if we have as much power as YOU claim), but don’t bother if it’s going to be laden with homophobic insults as you posted above.

  • Reality

    David Cameron is only doing this to rid himself of his toff boy image and present himself as ‘caring and daring’, he cares nothing for gays deep down.

  • john

    So, just as an aside.. if I was a 21 man and myself and a 15year old had fallen in love the law would say we couldnt be together. Maybe I can petition for the law to change on this one as well. Or maybe if I fell in love with my long lost sister and wanted to marry her then the law should be changed for that as well.

    Not comparing the two but actually saying what a stupid argument it is, personally have no issue with the change of law (so please do not have a go at me) just with some of the silly arguments used and Mr Cameron is using one here.

    Pleased for you all.

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