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Welsh First Minister: Ugandans should be allowed to work out human rights issues ‘on their own terms’

  • @Mike-uk2011

    He’s the kind of person who would have said the same thing about the Jews who suffered during the holocaust. The appalling abuse of human rights is similar in both cases. Such a man doesn’t deserve a place in a civilized democratic nation’s parliament. Shame on him.

    • TampaZeke

      Except when you actually read the article his position is not at all what the headline says. His position is actually very well thought out and valid. He absolutely supports working to change the Ugandan law but cautions against hurting the most vulnerable in the country (the poor and AIDS victims) to do it. How does it help gay people in Uganda to cut aid for AIDS prevention and treatment? Cut EVERYTHING BUT those funds. I’m very bothered that so many countries, including mine (USA) are cutting Health and AIDS funding to punish Uganda for this anti-gay law. It boggles the mind.

      • Jones

        Which is why the British government is not giving aid money to the government but to charities where it’s going direct to the people to help.

  • TampaZeke

    Jesus Christ Pink News! Who writes your headlines? ONCE AGAIN your headline is completely misleading. The First Minister most certainly did NOT say that “Ugandans should be allowed to work out human rights issues ‘on their own terms”. Your own article refutes the claim of its headline.

    Here, let me QUOTE YOUR ARTICLE: “Carwyn Jones said he would work with international groups supporting human rights “on their own terms…”

    Do you see the difference in what he said and what your headline claims he said? “International groups supporting human rights” is very different than “Ugandans”.

    You have a serious and RECURRING problem with how you write headlines.

  • Иван Ангова

    Oh dear , I jumped on the bandwagon with this one too – this headline really needs amending! It’s misleading at the very least.

  • GulliverUK

    They have been warned for years, and they have promised to deal with human rights abuses for years. Gay rights, womens’ rights, etc. They were told aid would start being conditional on progress. Aid was even paid in stages through the year, rather than all at once for a whole year. They have been given plenty of time. They already have laws about child abuse, and laws against homosexuality – the only reason both Uganda and Nigeria have done this is to create a nationalistic sense of us and them [the west] and divert attention away from horrendous problems at home. Nigeria has a terrorist problem, and Uganda has wars in South Sudan. Both have massive corruption – which makes MPs fiddling their expenses here as trivial. There is possibly $20bn in oil revenues missing in Nigeria, there may or may not be billions missing from government pension funds. Thousands of teachers didn’t get paid. There are other recent stupid laws – women are forbidden from wearing miniskirts in Nigeria, and mobs attack them and take their clothes off in public. There is the possibility of serious internet monitoring and restrictive laws. It’s not just the anti-homosexuality bill (ABH) in Uganda or the laws in Nigeria – both are run by dictators – Museveni has been in power for 28 years.

    They have had all the time they needed. Their governments should have been enacting tolerance through education, and laws protecting equal rights. These new ant-gay laws have been pushed by Evangelicals who flooded in after Idi Amin was removed – he hated Evangelicals so wouldn’t have them in Uganda. Then came Scott Lively and others, preaching their own agenda of hate against LGBT – they whipped up hatred, spread lies, and after nearly a decade we have severe anti-gay anti-human laws, which are unconstitutional, violate international law and treaties. Both countries cannot be allowed to continue, and it throws the spotlight on the other anti-gay anti-human rights countries who are getting away with this. A line must be drawn and not crossed.

    • boo

      ‘allowed’???. They enacted the bill and its in place. What have your threats done?? Eat your heart out

      • GulliverUK

        They had been “allowed” time to work on these issues, womens’ rights, repressive anti-gay laws, etc., … their ‘human rights’ issues, whilst they continued to received aid. They were told years ago that continued aid was “conditional” on progress in these areas. They have every right to make any law they want in their own country, but not whilst they are signed up to international treaties which specifically forbid such laws – they must withdrawn from these treaties and cut themselves off from the rest of the world, like North Korea, and suffer the same fate of total isolation. The real action hasn’t even started yet, everybody is still at the talking stage, albeit with sanctions ready-to-go and approved by the EU, and suspension of aid to focus the mind. There has to be a wake-up call to Africa, that we want to be partners, but there are core values, human rights, which are not negotiable. These core values don’t impinge on culture – homophobia is an attitude which changes over time, it’s not a part of any culture, not like music, art, food. There are grey areas – such as eating cats and dogs, or whaling, but on fundamental “human” rights there isn’t any wiggle room. You don’t have to enact equal marriage at this stage, although you should, but you shouldn’t persecute people based on their sexual orientation, and you should make sure people in your society don’t discriminate. That was the role of the Ugandan and Nigerian governments, to educate people on diversity and create an inclusive society, where everyone could contribute and have a fair change to succeed. It’s just the same when a majority Muslim country discriminates against Christians, or a majority Christian country discriminates against Muslims.

      • Cal

        Eat? That’s something those people might not get a chance to do too much of once the handouts dry up. Charity seems to be enabling bigotry. Time it stopped.

  • JackAlison

    arggghhhh…such a Chamberlain message….”We have peace in in our times..” Never mind the murder violence rape imprisonment blackmail that are daily occurences for gay Ugandans……n the message is befuddled…. human rights for all gay and straight and on “their terms?!” there is NO SUCH THING…the wording of human rights is INALIENABLE rights… they are NOT voted on
    they are NOT by popular degree
    they are for EVERYBODY and there are no sunset clauses or asterixes because your gay..THATS THE WHOLE POINT

  • Jock S.Trap

    and at the expense of how many lives 1st Minister?

    • Christopher in Canada

      Exactly!!! How many martyrs required? How many sacrificial lambs??

  • http://thenakedgeek.shawwebspace.ca/ Barry William Teske

    “on their own terms”…

    Am I mistaken or does this statement, especially when applied to human rights issues imply that some humans are valued by somebody’s terms and other human rights issues are applied by somebody else’s terms?

    Either we are ALL equal or we are not.

    BLACK, WHITE, BROWN, YELLOW, OLIVE…
    MALE, FEMALE…
    MAN, WOMAN, CHILD…

    All the ‘labels’ in capitalized words preceding but subsets of us human beings.
    None is better or less deserving or more deserving of equality than the other.

    Somewhere in the past of human civilization a ‘wrong turn’ was made and it has been forgotten, ignored, or the courage had been abandoned to correct it.

  • http://thenakedgeek.shawwebspace.ca/ Barry William Teske

    “on their own terms”…

    Am I mistaken or does this statement, especially when applied to human rights issues, imply that some human rights are valued by someone’s terms and other human rights issues are valued by somebody else’s terms?

    Either we are ALL equal or we are not.

    BLACK, WHITE, BROWN, YELLOW, OLIVE…
    MALE, FEMALE…
    MAN, WOMAN, CHILD…

    All the ‘labels’ in capitalized words preceding are but subsets of us human beings.
    No one is better or less in equality than the other, none are less deserving or more deserving of equality than the other.

    Somewhere in the past of human civilization a ‘wrong turn’ was made and it has been forgotten, ignored, or the courage had been abandoned to correct it.

  • Colin

    We should not support any country that cannot give fundamental basic human rights. That should be a global principle, it is inclusive, for the benefit of all. All aid to countries that cannot sign up to that should be stopped. If the people want aid change your politicians and laws.

    No exceptions. The Welsh Minister should resign.

  • jayjonson

    Ah yes, it would be a shame if the people who stone gay men and lesbians should be discomforted in any way, because, after all, imprisoning people for whom they love is a cultural phenomenon. These barbarians can work out human rights issues on their own terms, but without money from civilized countries. Let them go hat in hand to beg some crumbs from Putin.

  • Jason

    The populace voted the leaders in… The leaders made the law in the name of the populace…

    All aid should be cut.. this sends a lesson out to the whole population, this is what happens when you discriminate or allow your leaders to do so…

    Harsh… but effective, they then have to drop the law to get their help back…

    If their misplaced pride will not let them respect the humanity in all of us, let them suffer for it.

    you can’t make an omelette without cracking eggs….

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