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Desmond Tutu: Uganda’s anti-gay bill is as evil as Nazism and Apartheid

  • Wingby

    I hope Tutu’s words are heard.

  • Helge Vladimir Tiller

    WE have a close friend in D.Tutu ! He loves you, whether you are religious or not. He embraces the total LGBTQ-society—in every country !

  • Gerry

    Tutu is about the only Christian leader worthy of any respect !

    In contrast, the silence from the Archbishop of Canterbury is absolutely deafening.

  • Cal

    Thank you, Desmond. You are one of the few acceptable and tolerant international religious voices. And your comparisons are spot on.
    I was shocked and disturbed recently when a discussion on Julia Hartley-Brewer’s LBC radio show had to be abandoned. The topic was Russia’s anti-Gay laws and Julia asked how we would feel about sending athletes to Sochi if similar laws were in place against black people or women. The switchboard was entirely hijacked by angry black Londoners calling in to complain. None were able to give any reasons why they thought the comparison was inappropriate. Julia declared she was offended by the response and shut down the conversation.

    • rapture

      There is a problem with homophobia in the black communities in London mostly propagated by evangelical Christianity and islam, so no surprise, that black londoner callers would call up being offended, but not able to correlate the human/civil rights abuses. Fortunately, there are some black voices here and elsewhere ,who are aware of civil/human rights for all and can empathise from their own history, and feel compelled to strongly condemn homophobia.

      • Cal

        True. The only caller that managed to get through in support of GLBT Russians was black. Although he was also Gay.

  • Gerry

    It seems that PN has yet to report that Museveni WON’T sign the law until he has received more scientific advice, this time from the USA, so the bill will be on hold for now.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26297356

    Seems he’s afraid of losing overseas aid from the USA. Money talks !

  • buchi

    Tutu is the must stupid and inresponsible so called bishop he domed for hell,he needs to repent,his comments are absorbed

    • That There Other David

      Oh give it up, nobody cares what you think, especially not a hugely respected international figure like Desmond Tutu, a man who has more in common with what your religion is supposed to be about than you can ever possibly understand, with your poor literacy and obvious lack of critical thinking skills.

      Now toddle off. Everyone is bored of your whining already.

    • Mark Y

      illiterate.

    • Rumbelow

      “must stupid”, “inresponsible”, “he domed”, “comments absorbed”…?
      I don’t understand whatever it is you are trying to convey buchi .

    • Dtnorth

      Aren’t there some stones in need of being thrown at the moon.

      Back to your cave.

    • Truth

      Sorry, buchi …. I don’t understand. Why are you contributing to a debate on a GAY website …?

    • xara

      Why so much hate. Who wronged you in your life?
      Why not try to build something constructive instead of pulling yourself down by negativity? You are a human being, you matter. You deserve better than hate. I am not a priest and I don’t blindly read the bible- but I feel people. I hope things look up for you soon.

  • larryJr

    Ehi buchi , you are just a scumbag looser, go back to live your depressing life full of hate. Nobody cares about your bullshit comments . And don t forget that you are just a looser!

  • Erica Cook

    I just had a thought. Do any of these African nations have any of their own internest sites? If so what if someone bought advertising time on them and used it to post sighs of us in western countries apologizing for bringing homophobia to Africa? We keep saying how we should do this and take that away, but this is all happening because they insist that the anti-gay attitudes are African and homosexuality is Western. If we actually took responsibility for our hand in this and publicly showed where it came from it may change some people’s minds. It won’t fix everything, but it may make enough question their actions to change the direction of their hate.

    • Clive S

      Just google “ugandan observer”,to have your say on the gay issues in that country at the moment and to try and change the homophobes opinions.

      • paulakey

        Most Ugandan newspaper moderate – meaning you will never see a pro gay comment

        • Erica Cook

          I’m not saying pro gay. I’m saying. “I’m sorry we allowed american Homophobia to infect your nation.” Do you honestly think they’d pass up the chance to show American’s being contrite?

    • xara

      Surely an interesting point. Maybe it would stop people to think for a second- which is worth a thousand words.
      I do believe that one should advertise what they loose by being so frightened, and what they miss out on rather than try to advertise that they should be corrected “homophopia is wrong” or something. The same applies to a much greater issue, which is the civil rights of women. This is taken for granted and not even looked upon- but the human/civil rights should apply to all people- not just those who want the illusion of shortsighted power. One should advertise, along with that, the failures of not treating women (and children)as human beings as well.

  • Rehan

    Tutu is such a lovely man, his integrity is just about the best argument for Christianity around at present (I say this as a confirmed atheist).

  • Clive S

    Google “ugandan observer”,to see what the press in Uganda are making of this and to leave your comments.

  • Guest

    We all know what Fundamentalist Christians are against, but what do they value?

    a 5-minute debate …

  • Paul

    God bless you arch!

  • Sam Kebongo

    Tutu is a man we respect and his role in the emancipation of South Africa is first rate. However, his views do not reflect the the will or values of Africans. We do not make sexuality a political issue. I, as an African, do not go out and talk about being heterosexual or whatever.

    We have our cultures too, but we do not impose them on anyone. Being gay is not something you find in an African village…most African languages in deed have no word for it. We will not allow it to be imposed upon us either.

    Perhaps the punishment imposed by the Ugandans is a too harsh. But homosexuality is a crime in most African countries and will remain so. Until the citizens of each country say otherwise. That said, it would be suffice to say Uganda as a sovereign state, has the right to make its own decisions. Leave it to them…all of you including Tutu.

    • CocteauT

      That being said.

      It is the responsibility of more enlightened countries to point out the errors of your ways.

      This is how you learn.

      And just where would the Jewish people be if we had simply said that it was the German nations right to gas them.

      • Sam Kebongo

        Cocteau T please watch your choice of words, they are unacceptable:

        ‘More enlightened countries’ such as who? It is these more ‘enlightened countries’ that colonized and enslaved us….have they paid reparations for their not so enlightened actions? NO!

        These countries supported apartheid South Africa while we struggled…Mandela and other ANC elite came out of the US terrorist watch less than a decade ago…to America, ‘an enlightened country’ as you put it considered Mandela a terrorist as recently as ten years ago.

        When you come to Africa, you will grow out of your paternalistic, patronizing and neocolonialist mind. You will be surprised to know discover that we, Africans, are much more socially developed than your ‘enlightened countries’. You will find Ugandans a warm, welcoming and humane people .

        I am not Ugandan, i will not tell them what to do. But I know it will be much easier to stop Saudis and afghanis to get their women to drop the veil than to tell us Africans to enbrace homosexuals….why do you have to impose your culture on us anyway.

        We know that this homosexuality thing is just some lifestyle decision, you guys can make it a huge issue in your country, if you please. Please keep us Africans out of it, it is repugnant to our way of life.

        • Dermot Mac Flannchaidh

          His wording is unfortunate and provincial-sounding. It would be better to say that countries with a higher respect and defense of human rights, do have useful things to say on the manner. Me, I’m not from Europe. I’m from Micronesia. But even so-called “third world” countries are capable of maintaining high standards of human rights.

        • Dermot Mac Flannchaidh

          It should be understood that the international scientific and psychological community has reached a firm consensus that homosexuality is normal, natural and benign, and definitely cannot be changed by anyone’s force of will. The sexual and emotional drives they feel are the same as those felt by heterosexual people, but with the difference that they are attracted to the same sex, and not attracted to the opposite sex. The entire notion of sexual orientation being a “lifestyle choice” is an obsolete one. Homosexuality is actually about 30%-40% genetic, with most of the rest of the cause happening in a mother’s womb after her pregnancy has started. The innate sexual orientation is not strongly influenced by any factors after birth, and this makes it an in-born condition. It does not matter whether people consider it repugnant – it simply naturally is what it is. Many people simply have had to conceal it or even lie about it – this is a very cruel expectation.

          Additionally, it is not just found in humans – every species of animals has been observed engaging in homosexual behavior, and in some species (like bonobos and bottlenose dolphins) it is normal for individuals to be bisexual. There is also homosexual mating in species that mate for life, and even adoption of orphaned young by homosexual life mates. Observation of natural homosexuality in animals has helped scientists better understand homosexuality in people.

          • Truth

            It’s also becoming increasingly clear from many recent studies that those who object to homosexuality most vehemently are more than likely born gay but, because of social conformity, suppress it. ‘Show me a homophobe – I’ll show you a closet case’. It makes NO SENSE for truly heterosexual people to fear homosexuality. Only those who are struggling with inner-angst will project their self-hatred outwardly. So, if you remove the totally irrational taboo of homosexuality, you remove the need for people to self-hate and consequently. you eradicate homophobia.

          • James Campbell

            Excellent post, but way above the average bigot’s level of understanding. They are much happier with the Mickey Mouse guide to human psychology and the Goofy’s guide to Genetics.

        • Dtnorth

          Give that you are doing this under the banner of Christianity, a WESTERN import to Africa , do you not see the hypocrisy in your statement.

          • Sam Kebongo

            There is no mention of Christianity, Islam or any other religion in my comment,,, please read again before you rush to see everything as hypocrisy and respond in that suit.

            Now that you brought it up….Is Christianity western? isn’t Jerusalem or Bethlehem or even Nazareth closer to Africa than they are to London? In deed we share time zones with them. Did Jesus not come to Africa as a baby to escape Herod? Did he ever go to continental Europe?

            But even if Chrsitianity was a European import to Africa, so what? Don’t we reserve the right to import what we want and reject what we do not want? Homosexuality, by whatever name is something we do not wish to import….sorry. Nigeria says so, Uganda says so, as does the rest of Africa.

            You can sugarcoat it all you want…but eat it alone.

          • Truth

            Do you also not see the hypocrisy of persecuting your OWN people simply for being who they are when blacks have suffered this same fate for centuries? The hypocrisy of this whole situation is breathtaking. Not very ‘civilized’ is it …?

          • Sam Kebongo

            Black and black can reproduce….can homosexuals reproduce? Please do not equate the two…

            We also jeer at and/or jail other social and legal deviants, is it hypocritical too?

          • Rehan

            We also jeer at and/or jail other social and legal deviants

            As a result of being a ‘warm, welcoming and humane people’, I gather?

          • Dermot Mac Flannchaidh

            Sure they can, just not without assistance. Two gay men can have a female friend carry a pregnancy for them. Two lesbians can use donated sperm. But soon, it may be possible for even gay and lesbian couples to have children with both of them as a parent, through the scientific breakthroughs of female sperm and male eggs, though two men would still require a woman to carry a pregnancy to term.

          • Sam Kebongo

            Let me put it better,,,Asian and Asian beget Asians. Blacks and blacks beget balcks and so on…so if you say homosexuals can reproduce..do you guarantee that the offspring will be homosexual, this being a ‘community’ that is naturally occurring?

            If else, do you disagree with the the assertion that at best homosexuality is a genetic defect, a mutation of sorts?

            If an physically disabled person wants to be a long distance runner, a marathoner even. yet the legs are challenged, is it in anyone’s interest to put them up in the olympics?

            Just a thought…don’t shoot me.

          • Dermot Mac Flannchaidh

            More likely their offspring will not be gay. And it is not a defect, because it is not an illness – more likely it is a male side-effect of a gene that helps their female relatives have more children.

          • paulakey

            Please tell me why the Ugandan Ethics Minister in an interview with Stephen Fry state that ‘rape of girls’ was normal compared with gay discrimination.?
            Psychiatrists world wide have stated (and again in an open letter to Pres. Museveni this month) that homosexuality is NOT a) disease b) mental illness c) perversion and all have stated that homosexuality CANNOT be changed hence it is NOT a choice and people are born this way.
            http://stories4hotbloodedlesbians.com NOT a porn site

          • Robert W. Pierce

            Well, lesbians can reproduce by in-vitro fertilisation or via a sperm donor in utero. Gay men can be sperm donors too.

          • paulakey

            Jesus is quoted in 1John as saying “He who hates his brother is a murderer.”

        • Yesh U R

          Slavery was endemic in Africa long before a single European set foot on it, slavery has been known in Africa for thousands of years before one single European ever walked on African soil. African nations colonized and enslaved each other for centuries before one single European ever spoke to an African. Have any of those African nations paid repatriations to the other’s they enslaved? You dislike the idea of embracing ‘homosexuals’ but very much like the idea of having American Christian Fundamentalism imposed upon you thanks to the corruption of your politician’s. Yes, on reflection I am having difficulty in recognising your description of ‘warm welcoming humane people’ and that is because of the reality of Uganda as opposed to the fable you are promulgating.

          • Sam Kebongo

            I have been to Uganda over five times,,,,,have you? Are you taking from desktop research. I am not Ugandan, but i know for a fact that Ugandans are just that; warm, friendly and nice

            I also do not belong to not subscribe to any American Christian fundamentalist organization. i do not know what their views are on this matter.

            Do you reckon that we, Africans, cannot think for ourselves? That we must have views imposed. I find that very disrespectful of you.

            Walk on the streets and homes of any African country and ask what our views are on this issue…9 people out of 10 will tell you no to homosexuality, We have our own minds and If we do not want something, we do not want it, period.

            Respect us, or don’t come,

          • paulakey

            The NO comes out of a lack of knowledge and preachers who quote Leviticus a book written 3,500 years ago when making a fire was done rubbing sticks together.

          • Dermot Mac Flannchaidh

            It’s not for you to want or not want. It’s for you to accept that other people are the way they are, and the more people try to live their own lives instead of someone else’s, the better.

        • Truth

          “We know that this homosexuality thing is just some lifestyle decision”.
          It is nonsense to say, with such certainty, that homosexuality is a ‘choice’. You can only ever SPECULATE on it being a choice … unless, of course, you, yourself, have made a choice NOT to be gay. Hmmmmm?

          • paulakey

            see my letter from world-wide scientists to Museveni above

    • Dermot Mac Flannchaidh

      Humans rights – including sexual orientation, as with any in-born immutable characteristic – are inalienable, and they are not to be limited by anyone else’s disapproval.

      And heterosexuals do make their sexual orientation known, every time they are seen with a wife or girlfriend, or talk about the opposite sex in such a way. It is not a question of LGBT people being too flamboyant, as they are not necessarily more or less flamboyant than heterosexuals. The problem is other people’s disapproval, and unequal standards of judgment that care more about what LGBT people do than about what heterosexuals do.

      In a peaceful, civil society, people must not discriminate against their neighbors for their differences, whether or not they are readily noticeable.

      • Sam Kebongo

        Bro…there is no heterosexual parade anywhere in the world, there is no heterosexual association, there is no need to be, it seems…could it be because it is the natural order of things?

        The bigger right above gay rights, is the rights of Ugandans and any other people to self determination. Ugandans believe it or not, have some very good values that have sustained them for many many years. So we should go and impose these so called ‘universal human right to be gay’ on them because the Americans and their cronies are practicing the same? Do we also let Obama tell our kids that smoking bang (marijuana) is cool, and we could go to church naked.

        Every society must have more which dictate right and wrong. These are good for sustenance and growth. Also, societies do not experience unilinear growth, Uganda and Africa must be allowed to take its own growth path unless someone is interested in chaos.

        We have a saying ‘chema chajiuza, kibaya chajitembeza’ literally what is good sells, and what is bad moves all over.If this gay thing is good and natural, it will embed itself in the society, in fact it should have the same way the tie, the mobile and the computer have. as it is,it is just some misguided elitist folly from where we stand.

        Ugandans do not want it, and neither does the rest of Africa (except SA…and even there not the blacks)…stay with it in your countries and for once leave us out of this.

        • Dermot Mac Flannchaidh

          There are no straight pride parades because every day is a day straight people take their rights and freedoms for granted. Minorities of many kinds form organizations and parade to assert their rights where those rights have been previously systematically denied. To be proud is not to despair when despair was previously the only option. That said, even in the West, gay pride parades are cultural trends that not all LGBT people think are a good idea, as they may provoke too much negative attention. But organization is still a necessity to help LGBT people advocate for their rights and dignity.

          Now, like it or not, there are LGBT people in every country in the world, including every country in Africa. They have always lived there, but have had to keep their lives discreet when they have been systematically discriminated against. When LGBT people in Africa see LGBT rights being respected in other countries, naturally they want those rights for themselves in their own countries. Yours is an issue that will never, ever simply “go away,” because it has always been with you, and it will continue to be with you. It was easier to ignore in the past when LGBT people were more likely to accept their social inequality and remain invisible. But in the modern, connected, media-rich world, this is no longer possible, even in the heart of Africa.

          Resentment of “the other” is a common theme throughout human history throughout the world. People have been repugnant to each other for the most petty of reasons. But now that people know that they are different from each other, they can either choose peace and respect each other, or choose strife and try to oppose each other. Ultimately, it is better to choose peace, and to live your own life and let others do the same.

          And even in South Africa, both Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela recognized and respected that LGBT people have inalienable human rights. They were fiercely discriminated against. But they did not give in to bitterness and hate as a weaker man would – they turned it into an opportunity for peace, love, forgiveness and respect. These are holy virtues.

        • Truth

          It will not be able to ‘embed’ itself if dictators introduce such draconian laws. Co-incidentally, there is now a huge amount of scientific evidence which shows that the more homophobic someone is, the more likely it is that they are suppressing their inner same-sex desires. Could it be that Uganda is SO anti-gay because the population is rife with closet homosexuality?

        • Rehan

          You don’t really grasp the concept of minority visibility, do you?

          Perhaps you’d suggest cancelling the next Notting Hill Carnival in London on the basis that there isn’t an equivalent occasion celebrating white Britishness.

        • paulakey

          This letter is in response to Museveni asking for evidence from scientific sources: Over one hundred prestigious institutions responded and signed this letter. Museveni is a dictator who has accumulated 1.7 billion dollars in wealth.
          *********

          To His Excellency Yoweri Kaguta Museveni, President of the Republic of Uganda:

          Sir:

          We, the undersigned, are writing out of grave concern regarding the likely implications of Uganda’s Anti Homosexuality Bill

          (“the Bill”) should it be passed into law. We are clinicians, researchers and academics working in the field of public health.

          Many of us have extensive experience providing physical and mental health services and doing public health-focused research in sub-Saharan Africa.

          We note that Ugandan experts, including Uganda’s Human Rights Commission and the Uganda Law Society, have studied

          this Bill and found that it violates obligations under Uganda’s Constitution to protect and uphold fundamental freedoms

          of its people. This Bill also contradicts scientific evidence regarding lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people. In your

          letter sent on December 28 to the Rt. Hon. Speaker of Parliament, Rebecca Kadaga, you have expressed an interest in

          deliberating over evidence and science regarding sexual orientation and arriving at a “scientifically correct position” on the

          Bill. The purpose of this open letter is to focus on areas of particular concern to us as public health 1 experts, beyond our

          fundamental support for the human rights and human dignity of all Ugandans: 1) the overwhelming evidence about homosexuality and the myths perpetuated by the Bill and 2) the likely public health implications of this Bill, should itbecome law in Uganda.

          1. Myths and Facts About Homosexuality!

          Your December 28 letter questions: a) whether homosexuality is an abnormality and b) whether homosexuality is a condition of which a person can be “cured” or “rescued.” 2

          Evidence from independent technical normative agencies and respected medical and sociological professional

          bodies around the world could not be more clear in response to both questions: Homosexuality is not a pathology,

          an abnormality, a mental disorder, or an illness—it is a variant of sexual behavior found in people around the world.Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people are normal. According to Uganda’s national diagnostics and statistical manual of mental disorders (DSM), homosexuality is not classified as a mental disorder. Neither is homosexuality a condition from which a person can be “converted.” Despite claims to the contrary, there is no rigorous and peer reviewed scientific evidence that a person who is lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgendered can be “cured.” 3 !

          The Bill’s claim to protect children and families in Uganda appears to be derived from the harmful myth that lesbian, gay,bisexual and transgender people pose a graver risk to children and families than people of other sexual orientations.

          There is no such evidence—lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people pose no greater risk to children than heterosexuals.

          In fact, sexual and physical violence experienced all too routinely by children and adolescents in Uganda would be unaddressed by this Bill. Implementation of this Bill would likely deplete the already limited resources invested in Uganda into robust investigations and prosecutions of cases of violence against children. Rather, the limited funds would be wasted on hunts by police for consenting adults suspected or accused of being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender. !

          2. Undermining public health and human rights !

          This Bill would further exacerbate the marginalization, discrimination and exclusion of people known to or suspected of being homosexual. Research shows that laws and policies that increase stigma and discrimination among groups of people mean those people are less able to access health services because of fear of arrest, intimidation, violence, and discrimination.

          For example, men who have sex with men in Uganda report higher HIV prevalence and higher rates of

          #1 The Daily Monitor, “Museveni blocks anti-homosexuality bill,” Yasiin Mugerwa. 17 January 2014. http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/

          Museveni-blocks-Anti-Homosexuality-Bill/-/688334/2148760/-/15lby8fz/-/index.html

          #2 Letter from President Museveni to Rt. Hon. Speaker Kadaga, 28 December 2013. Available at: http://www.scribd.com/doc/200400880/

          President-Museveni-s-Letter-on-Anti-Homosexuality-Bill

          #3 Cf. Pan American Health Organisation (PAHO). “ ‘Cures’ For an Illness that Does Not Exist: Purported Therapies Aimed at Changing

          Sexual Orientation Lack Medical Justification and are Ethically Unacceptable.” 15 May 2012, available at http://new.paho.org/hq/index.

          php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=17703 and Psychological Society of South Africa, “Sexual and Gender Diversity

          Position Statement,” 7 June 2013.

          syphilis and other sexually transmitted infections than the general population. HIV prevalence 4 among men who have sex

          with men in Kampala is 13%, more than three times the average prevalence among heterosexual men in Kampala (4.1%)

          and about twice as high as the national average of 7.3%. After years of success in the fight against HIV, Uganda’s incidence

          has been rising since 2005—contrary to the trends of virtually all other countries with high HIV burden in sub Saharan

          Africa. 5 We are gravely concerned that passage of this Bill will exacerbate that negative trend. ! !

          All people need essential health services, not the criminalization and discrimination this Bill would foment. Furthermore,

          driving lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender communities away from services endangers not only them but also the

          Ugandan population at large—approximately 75% of men who have sex with men participating in a recent serosurvey report having sex with women as well as men. 6 Discrimination undermines their health as well as the public health of the population of Uganda as a whole.! !

          Ironically, the Bill’s clause prohibiting the “promotion of homosexuality” as well as “aiding and abetting homosexuality” would criminalize urgently needed service delivery for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people. The Government ofUganda recently announced plans to implement government funded clinics designed to reach men who have sex with men and sex workers. 7 This Bill, if passed into law, would sabotage such efforts by criminalizing them. This will have a disastrous impact on the response of the nation as a whole to HIV as well as other public health priorities. This clause would also put international and national health service providers funded by international donors at risk of criminal prosecution if they discuss homosexuality in the course of their work. ! !

          The Bill conflicts with a health worker’s basic ethical obligation not to discriminate in the provision of medical services and would create a culture of fear of arrest and imprisonment among service providers. While a clause in earlier versions of the Bill that anyone suspected of being homosexual be reported to police might have been removed from the Bill that Parliament passed, the clause prohibiting promotion, aiding and abetting homosexuality would still force health workers to discriminate. Contrary to recent claims that health workers in Uganda do not engage in discrimination when providing services, Ugandans seeking health services in the public and private sectors frequently report being questioned by health workers about their sexual activities and marital status—creating for LGBT populations a legitimate fear of retaliation and discrimination if they are honest about their sexual orientation. This climate of fear would be markedly increased should the Bill become law.!

          Scientific research also shows a powerful association between homophobic abuse and violence and increased vulnerability to HIV. This is not due to an intrinsic condition of homosexuality, but a harmful effect of homophobia. For example, men who have sex with men in Kampala who have experienced verbal or physical homophobic abuse are five times more likely to be HIV positive than men who have sex with men who have not experienced such abuse, 8 indicating a strong association between stigma and intolerance and HIV infection risk. Hatred and stigma drives vulnerable and isolated communities such as men who have sex with men further from essential preventative and curative health services.! !

          We believe this Bill should not be passed into law—it blatantly defies highly corroborated scientific evidence and it wouldhave a harmful impact on public health, human rights, and the freedom of all people to enjoy freedom from discrimination in Uganda. We implore that you veto this Bill in all forms. We note that Ugandan politicians and policymakers will meet February 6 in Kyankwanzi, Uganda where this issue will be discussed amongst the National Resistance Movement Caucus.

          Representatives of our group of signatories request the opportunity to join you in Kyankwanzi to share scientific evidenceface-to-face, given the intense interest this topic has generated, apparent misinformation among decision makers,and the Bill’s serious consequences for Ugandans should it be passed into law. !

    • Yesh U R

      Dear Mr Kebongo, African politician’s do make sexuality a political issue, they do it all the time and especially when they are being paid to visit Washington D.C. and are paid by chrisitan fundamentalist organisations to implement anti-LGBT policies such as in Uganda. You are being careful with your words but deliberate in your distortions. Uganda will be punished for this and rightfully so. You say you won’t allow ‘it’ to be imposed upon you, but the facts are many African politician’s are little better than prostitutes and can be bought by the highest bidder, so as for imposition your leaders do it to you all the time.
      What a pity it is that instead of spending all those millions of dollars given in aid on palaces and luxury cars and planes they don’t use that money to educate you, because that is the only thing that will free you where it counts.

      • Sam Kebongo

        Yesh U R….I am a normal African, I am not a politician. Do they have their issues, them African politicians? Are they always wrong? Not really. We know that a lot of them are corrupt. We also know that western corporations and government are part of that corruption…nothing new there…

        Who are these Christian fundamentalists you talk about? i have never met them. i have also not been told by any politician about this homosexuality thing.

        What is the matter with you homosexuals? why is it difficult to believe that we Africans can think for ourselves and have our own sets of values, ethics and morals. Believe it or not, we do and very good ones too. So much so that over 80% or westerners who come here never leave or are repeat visitors.

        It is in the exercise of those values that when i write respectfully here you accuse me of being careful with my words. You have a problem with me treating people with respect? Then i can’t help you. I am a normal well brought up African who will always treat you with respect.

        I must respectfully say that we Africans are not willing to embrace homosexuality. Your assertions that Uganda must be punished smack of paternalism that you westerners and the terrorists are known for. You always want to force your views down our throats.

        It is for this reason that we have increased dealings with china and Russia and of course ourselves. One day you will wake up and find we do not need you if you carry on with your neocolonialist agenda.

        our relationship with you must be based on reciprocity and mutual respect, ro else you can close your embassies and leave.

        • Truth

          Dear Mr Kembongo.
          Why are you on a gay website …?

          • Sam Kebongo

            It is Kebongo not Kembongo.

            Someone posted this website on my facebook page. I thought I could give you fellas views of we ordinary Africans.

            I did not also realize that even websites are homo or heterosexual.

            I have made my point anyway, so I will take my leave.

        • VP

          Fifty years ago the vast majority of Europeans were just as homophobic as most Africans are now. Indeed, homophobia is a far more authentically European cultural product than it is an African one. European colonists imposed European bigotry and prejudice on African countries during the 18th and 19th centuries, just as Asian muslim colonists did in the 9th and 10th centuries before them. Homophobia in Africa is an entirely western import. It has nothing to do with authentic native cultural values. In pre-colonial times there were many African peoples who had no problem at all with same-sex love. Given that humans evolved in Africa, human homosexuality originated in Africa too.

          So why has Europe largely abandoned its native cultural homophobia? Because we don’t value blindly sticking to inherited prejudice and “cultural authenticity” more than we value justice, equality and fairness. This is an issue of recognising that the cultures we have inherited are harmful, unnecessary and oppressive, and abandoning them for the greater good of humanity. It is about looking beyond the narrow horizons of culture and recognising what is just and fair and moral.

          Because gay people haven’t actually done anything to hurt you. Gay people don’t pose a threat to you. Gay people are just normal, regular people trying to get on with their lives. Normal, regular African people. You cannot claim to support African people or African values when the victims of your prejudice are also Africans. There are many, many different sets of values held by Africans – so which African values are you supporting? The values of the oppressors and the tyrants or the values of those who just want to be accepted and left alone to get on with their lives in peace?

      • paulakey

        Mr. Museveni, President of Uganda, is worth 1.7 billion dollars. He was just an army officer in 1986. How can any one accumulate a million x a millionm dollars?
        http://stories4hotbloodedlesbians.com

    • Ionic Column

      Where do I begin with this one? Nazi Germany was a sovereign country. Apartheid South Africa was a sovereign country. Generally, we all respect the sovereignty of countries but occasionally a sovereign country violates the sanctity of humanity so grossly that we feel bound to intervene. I hope you are one of those who, in your own small way, contributed to the destruction of Apartheid. If so, thank you. You are in the good company of people like Desmond Tutu.
      Sovereign states act sovereignly? The Ugandan President has just asserted his country’s sovereignty in the face of Western pressure by brutally imposing on his fellow citizens a religion that the West has brutally imposed on Uganda. How does this sovereignty thing work again?
      “[Desmond Tutu’s] views do not reflect the will or values of Africans.” That’s one hell of a statement to make. South African law respects the country’s gay citizens as free and equal to all its other citizens. It is true that that country has a serious problem with homophobia, but it is also true that the laws guaranteeing the freedom and equality of all people regardless of, amongst other things, their sexual orientation, were passed by majority vote in a regular parliamentary session with due diligence and in full view of the public (can the same be said for how those sovereign African laws in Uganda and Nigeria came about?). That means that Tutu represents the views of at least 26 million Africans. Also, either those gay people being persecuted in Uganda, Nigeria and elsewhere on that sovereignly assertive continent do not agree with Desmond Tutu, or those gay people are not African. Take your pick.
      Well, you’ve taken your pick. “Being gay is not something you find in an African village…most African
      languages in deed have no word for it. We will not allow it to be
      imposed upon us either.” So, gay people do not exist in Africa, which makes me wonder why these laws are being passed. Is that how you manage to talk about African parliaments enacting laws against homosexuality and asserting their sovereignty in the face of international diplomatic pressure, while at the same time claiming that “We do not make sexuality a political issue?”
      By the way, I do not write either as an African or as a gay person, only as a human being. I suggest you try it. It also works for Desmond Tutu.

    • rapture

      You most certainly did find homosexuality in African villages before you were colonised( the vodun and oriche tribes from west Africa to name just 2), and Africans like you became an uncle tom type advocate of neo-colonialism by dismissing your histories.

    • paulakey

      Sam, I disagree with you regarding cultures that have the right to remove human rights. The world does intervene in countries when human rights are denied to people. When South Africa’s apartheid was in force, the International Olympic Committee and FIFA (world soccer fed) did not allow them to participate.
      People did not intervene in Nazi Germany and six million Jews were put to death.
      The President asked for scientific input about homosexuality. He got it from Uganda and the most prestigious institutions, but he ignored them.
      Health Workers fear now that homosexuals will go underground. Men who are married or single and who have sex with other men will pass HIV/Aids on to women.

      http://stories4hotbloodedlesbians.com NOT a porn site

  • Truth

    I agree with Mr Tutu. However, he fails to point out that it was because of christianity that Africa became polluted with ant-gay sentiment in the first place. It is ironic that African nations are using biblical so-called ‘laws’, first introduce by white men, to persecute their own people without any sense of irony or hypocrisy over how black people themselves have been persecuted by whites throughout history.

  • paulakey

    Forbes Magazine asked world wide readers on Facebook to name the worst dictators alive today and President Museveni was ranked in amongst them. Now that he has passed the Anti-Homosexual Bill, the world will be more informed about him.

    Museveni is placed alongside some notable dictators: Remember that he is also placed along side Uganda’s former dictator **Idi Amin.

    Bashar al-Assad of Syria **North Korea’s Kim Jong-ill, ** Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe **Vladamir Putin **General Than Shwe (Burma)**Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Kha** Sudan’s Omar al-Bashir **

    ddungu Musa Evans -Just Another WordPress.com site writes the following information;

    President Museveni should reveal how he acquired this wealth, yet by 1986 he was landless, without shelter, poor like a church mouse, the only wealth he had was an AK 47 Kalashnikov that he had used to butcher Ugandans during the 1981-1986 bush war.

    But now surprisingly President Yoweri Museveni’s being ranked the 12th richest person in Africa, his wealth is estimated at $1.7bn

    http://stories4hotbloodedlesbians. com

  • xara

    I too compare this foolishness to Apartheid. It is weak and not sustainable. I am sure some money is in for whomever signs the paper- which is sadly the turn frightened, uneducated people mostly turn, making them sure slaves and easy victims to manipulation.

    It darkens my heart to hear that Uganda is pushing for further bills to ensure that the country will enslave its people and therefore stay in misery because of Apartheid, pro rape and pro capitalism.
    Haven’t you already have a few spineless dictators ruin your lives through their shortsighted greed and failed childhood? Have you learned nothing? Are we to welcome mr. Amin back again? For I see his face in the body of another clearer and clearer as the days pass.

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