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Christian ‘gay cure’ group to hold Westminster conference against bill to ban the practice

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  1. Reasonablethought 15 Jan, 8:01pm

    Why can’t they just move on?! Think of all the money they have wasted fighting this pointless and nasty campaign, think of the good it could do. Life is too short to hate others for something they have no control over. If 2 people are in a consensual relationship, who the hell does it affect?! No one and they know that! Stop the hate, let’s just all be loving human beings with care and compassion and respect for each other.

    1. David Jordan 15 Jan, 8:57pm

      Waste money, they’re snake oil salesmen, they’re worried about losing their income stream and the Christians are more then willing to support them because they think they’ll get into heaven for torturing gay people and helping people torture gay people. This is nothing more then an alliance of fanatics and conmen.

    2. On the subject of money, tickets for the London conference are £20. each before the online booking fee plus £5. for lunch. Apparently God not covering costs.

  2. Michael Savins 15 Jan, 8:17pm

    You can’t stop anyone from being homosexual. What you can do is brainwash them using exactly the same techniques used to indoctrinate people with religion and it should be banned.

  3. Michael Savins 15 Jan, 8:21pm

    Child benefit should be done away with and given to gays in appreciation for being responsible and not breeding in this grossly overpopulated planet.

    1. Without child benefit, my mum wouldn’t have been able to raise me, since she had psych problems that prevented her from getting a job for most of my childhood. Some people really need it to help raise their kids, so no, it shouldn’t be done away with.

  4. atalanta 15 Jan, 8:26pm

    Since they’re such fans of harmful, ineffective “medical treatments”, will the Core Issues Trust be arguing for the rights of psychiatrists to perform lobotomies and of gynaecologists to perform cliterodectomies?

    Or have those fine Christianists perhaps already undergone the former procedure?

  5. Robert in S. Kensington 15 Jan, 8:35pm

    Come 28th February 2014, watch as most of the Tories try to derail the second reading of Labour MP Geraint Davies’ bill.

  6. ‘black cure’ group to hold Westminster conference against bill to ban the practice.

    Imagine a ‘black cure’ group even being allowed to exist; skin bleach, facial surgery, eduction to get over your ‘blackness’.

    Imagine a group existing nowadays which advocated that being black should be cured – ‘it would be much better if you were white’.

    One rule for racism, another for homophobia.

  7. Paul mc 15 Jan, 9:00pm

    Core Issues Trust is led by Mike Davidson, a man confused and deluded about the causes of sexual attraction. They have wild discredited theories about parenting and so called unment needs and gender confusion. None of these have theoretical or evidential credibility.

    Some, a tiny number of people, are confused about their sexuality as a result of sexual abuse. Any trained counsellor can work with that client to explore the nature of those feelings without introducing religion or demeaning LBGT people, or defaming gay men in terms of mental and physical health and life expectancy.

    I would protest this conference of it wasn’t a weekday. Core Issues Trust and Christian Concern peddle lies, misinformation, defamation, dangerous, anxiety inducing myths. They need to be banned.

  8. AdrianT 15 Jan, 10:36pm

    Core Issues Trust and their whacko therapy need to be treated with the same ridicule as we would with young earth creationists.

  9. Will the Core Issues Trust be attempting to strengthen their case by giving a detailed step-by-step breakdown of the exact, provably successful methods used for conversion therapy? I won’t hold my breath.

  10. The Nazis carried out similar practices, although they realised it was pointless and abandoned it (Search for “Carl Værnet” who is known to have conducted experiments on homosexual prisoners in attempts to cure homosexuality).
    This Christian gay cure group are worse than the Nazis in this respect as they still persit with their homophobic practices.

  11. “It’s about assisting people to change from unwanted sexual attraction if they want to have this therapy.”

    If that were the case they would be helping people with unwanted heterosexual sexual attraction to change but they are not, so clearly they are a homophobic group not wanting to assist vulnerable people but seeking to take advantage of them to impose ta dangerous anti-gay agenda upon anyone who falls into their hands

    1. Good point.

      I wonder how these same counsellors would react if a straight client asked for assistance in pursuing a relationship with the same sex.

      If their care is not available for clients wishing to change in both directions that is clearly discriminatory.

      1. Jan Bridget 16 Jan, 1:44pm

        Is this not a ‘Plan B’ in case it doesn’t get banned? i.e. first to identify the therapists concerned, then to get our straight allies to approach them for conversion to being gay, then when they refuse (having already the evidence that they accept gay clients under the pretence of turning them straight) take them to law for breaking the Equality Act?

      2. floridahank 16 Jan, 9:26pm

        Hey Gareth, how do you know that some heterosexuals are unhappy with themselves in having relationships with women, (human mind is very complex and can hold strange views) and instead have deep desires to be homosexual and have male sexual encounters. Have any studies been made on that situation? If you study the human mind and its bizarre behavior, you cannot discount my comment.

        1. That’s not true floridahank because buckets are as often green in colour as they are silver, or put another way a cliff is to a window what a broom is to a cloud.

  12. The reason people come to them wanting their orientation changed is because Christian groups have been successful in poisoning their minds against themselves. Many of these will be young people. The practice must be outlawed.

    1. And there, Cal, in a nutshell you have summed up why some people are homophobic and some are not. It’s all about self-hatred. That is why the biggest homophobes are the biggest closet cases. Religion creates self haters. Self haters project that emotion outwardly onto those who represent that which they hate most in themselves – gay people. Get rid of religious taboos about homosexuality and you get rid of homophobia. Simples.

      1. BlokeToys 16 Jan, 2:01pm

        I agree with you when it comes to the leaders and outspoken heads of these cults, but I think many of the “laymen” and followers are simply looking for an excuse to feel power over others.

        Religion pulls in the inadequate, the weak, the powerless and the vulnerable, those who need to believe in something because they don’t believe in themselves and are terrified of the world. In essence, they are given permission to feel superior over others, and sexuality is the easiest target to attack given that so many of these people are so sexually repressed themselves.

        Just look at the Taliban, desperate to control and enslave women, because they fear not being dominant.

        So, while I think you’re right and the most outspoken are the biggest closet cases, many of the smaller religious nutters just want to feel superior to other people and need something to attack them with. They’re followers, not leaders, they’re weak and need to be told what to do, think and say.

    2. Don Harrison 17 Jan, 12:11am

      OK but any “cure” does not last.

  13. I can only assume that members of this Christian Taliban group have experienced same-sex attraction and are riddled with self-hatred about it. But you see, without religious taboos about homosexuality, there would be no need for ‘a cure’. Religion is the driver of homophobia. Without religious taboos there would be no homophobia. So the answer is not to find ‘a cure’ but to end the taboo. And we do that by stopping religion from being anti-gay.

  14. spiritbody 16 Jan, 11:28am

    What I hate the most about these groups is they put themselves forward as the cure for a problem that they themselves created! If they are arguing that they have a high number of young gay youth coming to them who are unhappy and want to change their sexuality, well Im not surprised! People like Core Issues Trust have been telling them their whole lives that theres something wrong with them! If they REALLY wanted to help young gay youth, they could start by telling them they are fine as they are!

    1. Nail on head! Religion tells gay people they are ‘sinners’. Those gullible enough to be influenced, seek ‘a cure’. But without religion’s taboos, people would be happy with their ‘god-given’ sexuality (if we’re all made in his image?). So, end religion’s childish, superstitious, judgemental nonsense about sexuality: no-one would be unhappy and in need of a ‘cure’.

  15. This practice of exploiting closeted and bullied gays and attempting to ‘covert’ them is as big a financial sham as organised religion – once gay cure is banned lets start banning superstitions that are responsible for war and multiple murder -

  16. Amused to read on the Christian Concern website that one of the main speakers will be Andrew Comiskey who in 2010 admitted that a teenager was sexually abused at his Desert Stream Ministries and has also produced this delightful quote:

    ‘Satan delights in homosexual perversion because it not only exists outside of marriage, but it also defiles God’s very image reflected as male and female… Another related source of demonization is the homosexual relationship itself… attachment and communion are indeed inspired, but the source is demonic.’

    Charming company as ever, guys.

    1. Yesh U R 16 Jan, 3:35pm

      http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2011/09/18673/

      Also making an appearance will be Joseph “hissyfits” Nicolosi who will be performing his epic ballet “Dance of the Religious Wingnuts”. Andrea Minichiello Williams will accompany “hissyfits” on the kazoo with her rendition of ‘Mad about the Gays’. Snake Oil is available by the bottle at the event, leave your brain on the pavement before attending.

    2. floridahank 16 Jan, 3:48pm

      The question of sexual identity has a long way to go before it can make proven core principles about sexual behavior.
      Regarding bisexual behavior, it appears that there is confusion about which sexual satisfaction is preferable — something akin to psychological and emotional confusion which does seem like a form of mental disorder. If a person doesn’t know which sex he/she prefers, there’s something lacking internally because a vast majority do not have this problem.
      Also, regarding bisexual preference this can be translated into dealing with homosexuality in some degree.
      How about a homosexual who is definitely unhappy of their sexual orientation and preference and has come to the conclusion that they have total dissatisfaction by their homosexual attraction and behavior. If a bisexual can be making choices of having a sexual relationship with a man or woman, it seems that the human sexual makeup leaves options for letting a person deny and replace homosexuality.

      1. Guglielmo Marinaro 16 Jan, 4:24pm

        “If a bisexual can be making choices of having a sexual relationship with a man or woman, it seems that the human sexual makeup leaves options for letting a person deny and replace homosexuality.”

        That assertion depends on the premiss that there is one single, uniform sexual makeup which everyone has, a premiss which is completely unproven and which, since human nature is so immensely varied in so many other respects, there is no reason to assume in the absence of proof, especially since everyday experience suggests the contrary.

        1. Yesh U R 16 Jan, 4:59pm

          http://www.truthwinsout.org/our-vision/
          Fighting the Ex-Gay Fraud.

        2. floridahank 16 Jan, 6:18pm

          Hey Gug, you commented, “…a premise which is completely unproven and which, since human nature is so immensely varied in so many other respects, there is no reason to assume in the absence of proof, especially since everyday experience suggests the contrary.”
          That’s my point. Human sexuality is very complex and studying it is in its infancy. When you try to examine homosexuality, bisexuality, transgenderism, and whatever kind of sexual behavior. there are no scientific studies that can make a definite, widely accepted statement on what and how any human sexuality factors give us total answers and many questions are wide open.

  17. Claudio Pestana 16 Jan, 2:14pm

    Core Issues is a religious organisation which is spreading a homophobic message. In principle, what Core Issues is doing is discriminatory, implying LGBT people need to be helped in not being LGBT. As sexual orientation is a protected characteristic under the Equality Act, Core Issues should be accoutable for breaching it! Why is the UK goverment still allowing people to be discriminated against on the basis of their sexual orientation? What would happen if an organisation tried to help someone change their race? Why is this any different?

  18. Staircase2 16 Jan, 3:37pm

    Once again Pink News; too many double negatives meaning that the…er…meaning is really hard to fathom of that headline…(happens a lot on PN and needs to change)

  19. Tom Cotner 16 Jan, 3:59pm

    I’m sure these nit-wits would have far more customers and far more success if they held symposiums on ridding oneself of religion – which, by the way, IS a choice.
    At least such symposiums would provide a better living atmosphere for their customers, giving hope to those who have problems with it.

  20. Wade S. 16 Jan, 4:07pm

    I don’t live in Europe but if I did I would be organizing a protest and pushing to shut that group down and eliminate the obvious abuse there.
    Stand up and fight EU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  21. Pete (Nottingham) 16 Jan, 4:34pm

    I have an older gay friend who told me that when she was young she came out to her mother and was quickly whisked off to see a GP. The GP said it was a phase that she’d grow out of (it wasn’t, she didn’t – she’s now happily married to a beautiful lady). This sort of thing doesn’t seem to happen any more, I’ve not heard of any of my younger friends being hoiked off to mental health professionals upon coming out to their parents (I was especially fortunate to have accepting parents – I’m 26, came out at 17). Acceptance, it would seem, is key to a happy coming out. So this article worries me, because it puts us back decades. It gives ammunition to less accepting parents by sending them a loud and clear message of YOUR GAY CHILD IS FLAWED, AND WE CAN HELP FIX IT. That worries and saddens me immensely. Surely they realise the damage they’re doing :(

  22. Shouldn;t be hard to find enough relapsers to swaps them,

  23. Ban false and unwanted “therapies”

  24. You dont fix gays – what you can do is drive them so far into the closet of self hatred and use the subconscious to make them deny and yes believe they arent gay

    One of these victims told me st8 out that “matthew shepard should have been fixed, by his parents. Blaming the parents for his murder in Wyoming in1998

    Another it took a couple years of dinner meetings to get the same thiing out of another victim of this mental torture. When I read it back to him 30 sec later he denied he said it

    Hope you all understand how extremist religion warps and controls minds.

  25. Gabriel Amorim 22 Jan, 5:29pm

    And Stonewall is running adverts again.

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