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Tel Aviv: Memorial for gay victims of the Holocaust unveiled

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  1. Good on you Tel Aviv. Although it is a shame us Lesbians get omitted from history, again. No black triangle on the monument I presume?

    1. fagburn 10 Jan, 5:28pm

      That;s because the Nazis didn’t arrest lesbians for being lesbians.
      Sorry to spoil your victimhood.

    2. Helge Vladimir Tiller 10 Jan, 6:49pm

      Lesbian prisoners in different c.camps were extremely suppressed by gards and people working there. Rape etc etc. Other detainees were fully aware of their lesbianism !

      1. fagburn 10 Jan, 9:28pm

        I’m sure they were, but they weren’t arrested for being lesbians.

        1. Helge Vladimir Tiller 10 Jan, 9:51pm

          I know that, and I’ve known for more than 50 years. By the way,a lot of lesbians were included into the so called “Lebensborn system”, ’cause many of them had children. ( Other social structures -other social habits—)

        2. Also they may not have been arrested but they were forced into mental institutions and had experiments forced upon them which is just as bas as been put into prison.

    3. jonathan 12 Jan, 5:57pm

      Beck, alas this is so-but there is a great film amy and jaguar about a lesbian copule in Berlin, 1 was Jewish and the other not! dont know where u r but maybe u can orrder the dvd?

    4. the holocaust was terrible for all concerned – but fagburn is right – those with the black triangle were there for being “Social Outcasts” which was a bit of a cover-all reason. So whilst many women were imprisoned and marked with the black triangle – it wasn’t specified that they were lesbian.

      So no, no one is omitting lesbians from history, they are just recognising one of the many other groups in addition to the Jews that were persecuted throughout the holocaust.

      This memorial also does not recognise the communists or the gypsies or many of the other people that were persecuted and marked by coloured triangles – it’s purely for those ta were marked with the Pink.

      So rather than your gripes about omission, you should really be celebrating the move that’s been made here

  2. Well done, Tel Aviv. These poor souls suffered appallingly as well. It’s good and fitting that they be remembered and honoured.

  3. “Paragraph 175″ is an excellent award-winning film devoted to this subject.

  4. Davey Baalmann 11 Jan, 3:03pm

    This is so heartwarming to know these brave wonderful people will be remembered. I am so grateful to all of the countries who chose to pay tribute to these fallen victims. Thank you, thank you for giving us hope and acknowledgement.

    1. Helge Vladimir Tiller 11 Jan, 8:16pm

      What a wonderful comment, dear Davey ! Tears in my eyes. YOU are wonderful too- Davey. WARM Greetings from Norway !

  5. Natasha F 11 Jan, 10:24pm

    Its about time that somebody brings this darkness into the light, every time i hear the Jewish people’s anger about the holocaust i say what about the gay people that were tortured and executed. as a transgender woman i know exactly where the pink triangle comes from.

    1. Helge Vladimir Tiller 12 Jan, 9:20am

      About The Jewish Holocaust -In Oslo, when this sad part of history is being commemorated, one specific day evert year , the leader of Our Gay org.( LLH ) is being invited by The Jewish Community to participate and give a speech about The Pink Triangle- and facts related to this part of Our Gay / Lesbian and Transgender history ! Very good ! In addition-OF COURSE- WE SHOULD HAVE OUR OWN DAY !!!

  6. jackAlison 14 Jan, 11:07am

    Oh n it gets “bettter”. when the allies released gay prisoners from the camps they made them serve out the rest of their nazi prison sentences after the war. strange liberation wasnt it?
    “In 1945, when concentration camps were liberated, some homosexual prisoners were forced to serve out their sentence under Paragraph 175.[2] In 1950, East Germany abolished Nazi amendments to Paragraph 175, whereas West Germany kept them and even had them confirmed by its Constitutional Court. About 100,000 men were implicated in legal proceedings from 1945 to 1969, and about 50,000 were convicted (if they had not committed suicide before, as many did).”

  7. Such a shame that London is not included in the list of those with memorials.

    Such as shame that ‘only gay men’ are recognised. What about the lesbians, the trans and others didn’t fit in to the ‘sexuality norm of that period in time’?

    London should have a memorial to remember ALL those from the LGBT community with symbols that can be recognised such as the pink and black triangles.

    http://www.rainbow-citizen.com

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