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Former Irish president urges Cardinal Keith O’Brien to tell life story in order to help gay people

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  1. David Jordan 7 Jan 2014, 12:26pm

    Cardinal O’Brien is not a victim, he blatantly engaged in the oppression of his own people for is own benefit, no doubt he still believes the nonsense and hate he spewed and the dogmas of his church. He deserves to be hated and reviled not pitied.

    1. I was about set fingers to keyboard – then I read your comment – I couldn’t have put it better myself – ‘pretend to be heterosexual’ – he wasn’t just closeted, he used his position to condemn Gays everywhere at every opportunity –

      no sympathy, no forgiveness

  2. What a fine and gutsy thing for Mary McAleese to say in public! Well done her! What a challenge to Keith O’Brien! It suggests to him, in a subtle way, the benefits of a complete turn-around, that he do a kind of Jonathan Aitken (the convicted Tory MP who spent time behind bars), that he might seek a degree of honour in public repentance and a full account of his errors. But after a lifetime of self-delusion, sexual and religious, could O’Brien be trusted to spill out the entire truth?

    1. Eh? Trust the biggest hypocrite in the world. NO.

  3. Props to Mary McAleese, though I don’t ever want to hear Cardinal O’Brien speak again, he’s said enough that’s damaged people already and he’s too messed up by his religion to say anything of benefit, best that he disappear permanently into the notorious obscurity of history as the extreme traitor and hypocrite he was.

    1. Thanks for your comment, Pavlos, because your comment has caused me to imagine a Keith O’Brien, tattooed, muscled, in tight T-shirt and jeans, working for Peter Tatchell, and campaigning tirelessly against all the religious cults, with particular attention to the Catholic cult! Imagine him constantly appearing on Newsnight, a loud, proud, and reformed LGBT campaigner, ceaselessly spitting at the Vatican! Wouldn’t that be fantastic? Yes, it’s a fantasy, but he COULD do it – if he had the gumption! Human beings can do whatever they wish. Has O’Brien the guts? Probably not.

      1. Yes, that would be great (and a great image) but to get from where he is to there seems too much of a stretch. He could go to the other extreme but hasn’t shown any signs of doing so yet, he still holds the title of Cardinal doesn’t he and will have a comfortable retirement if he keeps quiet.

    2. The only thing he would ever say is the tired old phrase “I have sinned”. He’s a dyed-in-the-wool self-hater. Satan gave him the urges and he was weak etc etc. Yawn
      Nothing he would say would be of any benefit to anyone. Besides, it is highly unlikely that the Vatican PR machine would allow him to speak freely.

  4. Robert in S. Kensington 7 Jan 2014, 2:26pm

    Kudos to Mary but I very much doubt the Vatican would allow such a thing to take place. They’re hiding him from public view until the scandal he caused diminishes, delusional at best. In fact it would reignite it over again. What’s the betting he’ll emerge as ‘recovered’ and ‘repentant’? Nothing changes.

  5. Not interested.

    Irrespective of O’Brien’s story, the Catholic cult (along with all religious) belief is a force for intolerable evil in this world.

    Religious belief is a mental illness.

    There is no ‘god’ and encouraging people to abandon their crappy faith is the only real way to help them.

    Why are there so many religious stories on this website.

    Most gay people are atheist.

    1. Frank Boulton 7 Jan 2014, 3:29pm

      There are so many religious stories, because that’s where most homophobia comes from. If you’re not interested in them, you don’t have to read them. However, I, and many other LGBTI-rights activists, are very grateful to PN for the information it provides, which enables us to direct our efforts where they are most needed.

  6. What a slap down for the Catholic church, which comes hard on the heels of the current Irish president making no reference to Christ and/or Christianity during his recent “Christmas” address.

    Of course, I don’t think O’Brien will take up Mary McAleece’s offer, but he could leave a memoir to offer some explanation to all those who contributed financially, or left legacies to support his comfortable lifestyle, and also to those who contributed to his various causes. It is the least he could do.

    McAleece also never missed the RCC on their vile attitude to the Jews (which resulted in the Holocaust).

  7. Whilst the former president’s sentiments are to be admired, O’Brien got off lightly. No civil actions were taken against him for sexual assault and although he lost his job and fell from grace, he presumably will be provided with a home and a income for the rest of his days. Furthermore, before taking high office in the Church he had opportunities to refuse or resign from the positions on offer. Instead he choose to accept such ‘promotions’, and instead of using them as an opportunity to promote greater awareness be choose to promote Uninformed bigotry. He should be wearing public sack cloth and ashes and begging forgiveness of the many homosexual people whose lives were damaged by his actions.

  8. Godric Godricson 7 Jan 2014, 3:05pm

    Not interested

    There are so many closet cases in the Church who hurt LGBT people from positions of power. Look at any Cathedral Close, Parish Church or places like Walsingham in Norfolk and you see hypocrisy at every turn. Clergy try to hide themselves by sounding more normal than Joe Normal in Normalton Avenue and in doing so they hurt their own kind.

  9. Religion is the refuge of the morally weak and the intellectually lazy

    1. Colin (Queenstown/London) 7 Jan 2014, 8:50pm

      Like that one…may use it if you don’t mind.

  10. peter gregory 7 Jan 2014, 3:27pm

    I don’t want to be unforgiving, but this guy’s incitement to hatred and bigotry has I think contributed to the very high numbers of suicides of gays in Scotland, so he has a LONG way to go to rehabiltation and a sincere apology for causing these deaths and to those with whom he used for sex would be a starting point.

  11. peter gregory 7 Jan 2014, 3:34pm

    And another thing…. will Alex Salmond now apologise for his consistent support of this bigot during his rule of terror as Cardinal Sin?

    1. Philip Breen 7 Jan 2014, 8:04pm

      One should be careful in justice not to confuse Cardinal O’Brien with Cardinal Sin- There was a Cardinal Sin- Cardinal (Jaime) Sin was archbishop of Manila for many years until 2005.

  12. I’ve always admired Mary McAleese, and now my admiration for her has doubled: fine thing to say, though of course it’s extremely unlikely to happen. But great that someone with her public profile has remarked on the damaging effects of closeted hypocrisy, using an example.

  13. keith o’brien should hang his head in shame. he had ample opportunity to tone down his rhetoric, but this narcissist was playing the role of the henchman of god to an adoring media. he couldn’t come clean because he was measuring himself up for the pope job and loved whistling ratzinger’s bigoted tune. goodbye to both of them really!

    1. ….you forgot, “and good riddance…!”


  14. Cardinal O’Brien is not for rehabilitation. Not only was he the text-book example of a homophobic “homosexual” (who knows he may have been bi or even just experimenting, there’s always hope he wasn’t gay, a hope I’m clinging to as I want no association with him whatsoever), but he also abused his position of trust to take advantage of younger men. That is not someone whose life story would set a good example to anyone and he is certainly not someone who deserves any respect whatsoever. Keep him out of this country and keep him quiet, for the sake of decent LGBT people everywhere.

  15. I am sure Mary McAleese knows that the good Cardinal would never do this nor would the Vatican allow it. I kind of got the impression she was taking the opportunity to stir the pot a little, rub some salt into the wound and remind O’Brien and the Vatican that nothing has been forgotten or forgiven.

  16. I don’t think he needs to say a single word; I certainly wouldn’t listen, not even if I were paid by the hour.
    His previous words were the opposite of the truth; why bother with words now…?
    His actions spoke louder than any words ever could.

    He needs to dump the Catholic Church for what it is.
    He should go and do whatever floats his boat in his dotage and fook the lot of ’em as did Archbishop Roddy Wright of Argyll and the Isles some years ago, who skipped off with his lady-love to N.Z. which is as far from Europe (i.e.the Vatican) as it is possible to get.

  17. Cardinal Keith O’Brien if he was to tell his life story might help those who label themselves ‘gay’ to see that inappropriate sexualised behavior or intimacy when it was not wanted(and out side the marriage of man and woman) is a sin , but like all sins they can be forgiven .
    Cardinal O’Brien had the guts to say he was sorry for the mistakes he made in the past , the complete opposite of ‘pride’ and all the D celebs who label themselves ‘gay’ and find sycophantic praise from Cameron and Co because of their disordered sexuality.Cardinal O’Brien inappropriate behavior was never revealed – it is up to him and his conscience – it could of been putting his arm round someone after having too many whiskeys .The homo-lobby relished his shame however and he was labeled a hypocrite or a closet ‘gay’ – despite their being zero evidence that he is inclined towards homosexuality .
    Remember LGBT activist Jamie Rennie before throwing stones and hatred .

  18. Maybe Pink news should have the headline ‘Former leader of Scottish Parliament urges former LGBT activist James Rennie to tell life story in order to help those who label themselves ‘gay’ ‘

    Jamie Rennie you may recall was the chief executive of LGBT Scotland and campaigned against so-called ‘homophobia’ , the rights of homosexuals to adopt children …and if he was about today he’d be on the ‘equal marriage’ marriage distortion lobby .He and his HIV boyfriend raped a baby boy and shared abuse images with other homosexuals .The biggest Paedophile ring discovered in UK got meagre sentences and hardly any media coverage (it would be homophobic you see !) .Ian Watkins got 35 years , Rennie got his sentence cut to 13years .

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