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Vatican denies that Pope Francis signalled support for civil partnerships in Italy

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  1. Colin (Queenstown/London) 6 Jan, 7:40pm

    Anyone who sees any change in the catholic church’s stance is kidding themselves. Let society move on and leave them looking ridiculous in there funny cloths….clowns

    Newspapers just want to sell newspapers so they don’t care one way or another. They want a headline.

    1. He has to change or his popularity will go in the pooper. the most catholic nation in the world will support marriage equality in 2014. What appears to be happening is that he has to clean out the RATZInger mentality people in the curia – it has already started – An American right wing extremist recently was sent packing.

      http://www.gaelick.com/2013/04/campaigners-welcome-constitutional-conventions-historic-endorsement-of-equal-marriage/31268/

    2. sjames 3 Feb, 4:19am

      IMM If he doesn’t change his position he’s in for the shock of his life. there will be a referendum in the most catholic country in the world – Ireland

      Now 76% of the people support marriage there, its been creeping up about 1 % every quarter. He has admitted re other issues that he has to get rid of RATZIngers extremist on the curia and already a few weeks ago trashed an American bishop of Ratzis appointment..

      His only chance to keep the church operating in western Europe is to move on this CU or marriage issue.

      http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2013/11/08/Poll-76-percent-in-Ireland-support-gay-marriage/UPI-11761383891907/

    3. sjames 3 Feb, 4:23am

      Lets remember tthat another reason the church opposes equal rightts for gays it most of them dont create more children to satisfy their power desire and sex starved priests

  2. Helge Vladimir Tiller 6 Jan, 8:29pm

    I intend to write a letter to the Vatican ! And tell them, in details ,about my first sexual experience. That was in small Trondheim- Norway. And Guess with whom ? A lovely Spanish sailor. His name was JESUS O. I was a young teenager- and felt so happy after that affair. A 100 % I understood that I was gay. All the way home ( we went to the forest outside town to make love !–)-I was dancing and singing., thanks to Jesus. I had found myself, and my Identity ! I will relate “strong” details in my letter- most probably too strong for PinkNews—Jesus O.was very careful and, just a darling mentally and physically. What a superb memory !

    1. Oh, Helge, it gives me so much joy to hear that Jesus liberated your soul, that Jesus gave you new life, that Jesus showed you the way, that Jesus brought you salvation! :-) :-) :-)

      (I can just see a few cardinals in the Vatican, sipping after-lunch sherries and discussing their morning correspondence, when one of them tells the others of having received a letter from “some woman in Norway who gave herself to some Spaniard called Jesus and then decided she must be a lesbian”! I wonder what the rejoinder will be! “Can’t possibly have been the real Jesus!”, perhaps? :-)

      Do you know that even today when nuns take their vows they consider themselves as the brides of Christ? Chaste brides of Christ, of course! But there must have been many a nun who has gone on (in the privacy of her room, or of her bed) to imagine being the not-so-chaste bride of Christ!

      And come to think of it, I have occasionally overheard people uttering the phrase, “Jesus! Fcuk me!” :-)

      1. Helge Vladimir Tiller 7 Jan, 6:57pm

        Thank You so much, Eddy ! Nce comment, made me smile and laugh. Greetings from Norway !

  3. It’s funny to think about what a flap all those Cardinals, Patriarchs, Primates and Archbishops are getting into every time His Holiness opens his mouth and puts his foot in.
    Bit of a loose Canon.

    1. Helge Vladimir Tiller 7 Jan, 8:44am

      Yes, Cal- They talk about love ! And yet they want us to abstain from loving somebody else. Saying and demanding that gays and lesbians should behave like “icebergs”. I would say that such a claim is criminal and fascistic. Whether it comes from a mullah or a priest.

      1. Pavlos 7 Jan, 9:47am

        The clergy are unloving and unlovable emotional and sexual train-wrecks themselves, they would like nothing better than to abusively and coldly control other peoples emotional and sexual lives, they seem to be natural sexual abusers of themselves and each other (unrealistic enforced celibacy), sexual abusers of those in their charge (child rape and torture) and of course sexual abusers of everyone else (dictating to all over their sex lives, family management, homosexuality and marriage) even dictating to those of us who are not bound by their religious dogma’s, they just can’t seem to stop themselves from negatively involving themselves in other peoples sexual and emotional relationships because they are seriously flawed human beings in denial of all that it means to be human.

        1. Spot on and beautifully phrased. Their hypocrisy is breathtaking … lecturing the world about the plight of the poor and those caught up in conflict – while sitting on bank accounts worth billions of Euros and stirring-up sectarian hatreds. Organised religion is the curse of societies. By it’s very nature, it creates divisions and seeks to control for the benefit of its leaders. Throughout history, it has controlled by fear – if not psychological means then by physical violence. The sooner the world becomes educated away from its disgustingly cynical nonsense, the better.

          1. “Spot on and beautifully phrased!” Pavlos AND Truth!

            Did you see the footage of the various religious sects in Iraq last night on BBC News at 10! There they all were, about 20 of them, faces covered in various ways while wielding a variety of horrific weapons and uttering oaths in the name of gods. These religious loons looked completely mediaeval!

            The Catholic hierarchy is not so different. It’s astounding that at this point in humankind’s extraordinary scientific and technological progress, loons of all the religious cults continue to be possessed of such delusions and to inflict such inhumanity and suffering upon others.

  4. GingerlyColors 7 Jan, 11:05am

    How much influence does the Vatican City, the world’s smallest sovereign state has in the Italy that surrounds it? I have already commented several times here that the Italian dog is being wagged by it’s Vatican tail.

  5. Yup – that’s right. Take every opportunity you can to confirm to the world that you are an outdated, bigoted bunch of homophobes, more concerned with your own doctrine than you are with equality.

  6. Robert in S. Kensington 7 Jan, 12:14pm

    Well, what can one expect from a dysfunctional morally bankrupt cult with an abnormal supposedly celibate sexually repressed clergy? Is it any wonder sexual molestation and internal homophobia thrive? The Pope is burying his head in the sand. It’s going to be very interesting to find out what the results of that survey of the faithful he ordered reveals. I

  7. The pope-person (and all those deluded cultists who surround him) are only interested in getting their hands on the “souls” (if not the genitals!) of children who are in the care of gay and lesbian couples. There is no change in the Cult’s attitude towards us. The Catholic Cult still perceives us as unnatural aberrations. The Catholic hierarchy is only thinking:

    “Oh, those poor children trapped in the clutches of the sexual deviants! We must reach out to those poor children and try to SAVE them!”

  8. BlokeToys 7 Jan, 1:01pm

    It seems to me that the Pope understands that society is rejecting his cult, and he is attempting to make it at least seem to be evolving. He is expressing a weakening of their judgmental stance of the past and making noises about moving on. He knows that they need to evolve if they are to remain relevant.

    But, there are other powerful factions in the Vatican who are adamantly against any evolution of their cult. They don’t want to give an inch and they refuse change and modernization at all cost, even if it means millions leaving their religion every year.

    Personally, I think he’s a politician, saying what he thinks people want to hear. He might be making nice noises about gay people in the press where he can, but behind closed doors he’s probably still the same as every other religious fanatic.

    I don’t trust him, his cult, or its followers. I will not be happy until their despicable religion is no more powerful than $cientology. I hope I see that in my lifetime.

    1. Frank Boulton 7 Jan, 1:46pm

      Spot on! Nothing’s changed except the two-faced rhetoric. PN reports that “Pope Francis said that gay people should not be judged or marginalised and should be integrated into society.”

      Now we hear that he doesn’t support civil partnership in Italy or gay adoption in Malta. I can’t see how keeping us away from children is not judgmental. How is denying the existence and dignity of our relationships and families not marginalisation? How can denying us the same rights that everyone else enjoys be claimed in any way to be integrating us into society? But I forget. These merciful clerics only burnt people alive as an act of mercy, in order to spare them from eternal hell fire. It must be another paradox.

  9. Christopher Coleman 7 Jan, 6:13pm

    Why would anyone in the Italian media suppose the Pope would support civil partnerships? Why do journalists elsewhere in the world assume that the Pope and the Church have altered, in any way, their basic view of homosexuality? Are these journalists lazy? Or stupid? Wholly ignorant of Catholic Church opinions? Having a slow news day?

  10. He hasnt much of a chance of keeping his popularity if he doesnt change and at least say he doesnt oppose gays marrying under civil law

    the bombshell that will expload this year is the most catholic country in the world _ Ireland

    http://www.gaelick.com/2013/04/campaigners-welcome-constitutional-conventions-historic-endorsement-of-equal-marriage/31268/

  11. sJames 3 Feb, 4:18am

    If he doesn’t change his position he’s in for the shock of his life. there will be a referendum in the most catholic country in the world – Ireland

    Now 76% of the people support marriage there, its been creeping up about 1 % every quarter. He has admitted re other issues that he has to get rid of RATZIngers extremist on the curia and already a few weeks ago trashed an American bishop of Ratzis appointment..

    His only chance to keep the church operating in western Europe is to move on this CU or marriage issue.

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2013/11/08/Poll-76-percent-in-Ireland-support-gay-marriage/UPI-11761383891907/

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