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Utah Attorney General: I’m going to ‘spend whatever it takes’ to fight equal marriage

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  1. Tom Cotner 31 Dec 2013, 3:27pm

    Well, these yo-yo’s spent millions fighting equal opportunity marriage in California and lost. I suspect that they neither read the news, nor care what people actually think. So much for the Mormon opinion.

    1. hankhawk@basicisp.net 31 Dec 2013, 11:12pm

      Don’t forget that the people in CA are weird to begin with. So Utah will not go along with their strange ways. The common man-woman marriage will be upheld in Utah.

      1. No it won’t. They have no new arguments and all of the old ones collapse under judicial scrutiny when under oath. That’s why anti-gay, anti-marriage equality like to do their dirty work in the streets where they can lie, slander, libel and cheat with abandon to scare the ignorant masses. That doesn’t work in the court room.

        But hey, you’re entitled to your fantasy. Don’t let facts get in the way.

        1. floridahank 1 Jan, 10:07pm

          Hey Hayden. My comment was based on that I see a trend definitely beginning to show in the USA. The homosexual agenda used strong, convincing arguments to show favorability for their lifestyle and actually caught many Americans off-guard, so to speak, and they did not get organized enough to put up strong opposition to all the promotions, propaganda, actions, etc. that came about in the past 5 yrs.
          And too many politicians and the leadership in large companies didn’t want to show opposition to the homosexual agenda due to fear of losing $$$$, which was not overcome by the average family boycotting the company. But today, there is a stronger organized effort not only by Christians, but by common-type families who are angered by the pro-homosexual changes happening in our society. There will be strong acts to contact politicians before our election and it will be an anti-homosexual marriage agenda,

          1. Riondo 3 Jan, 7:27pm

            I’m sure it will be, Hank. And it will be a miserable failure. The stubborn fact seems to be that more and more of your fellow Americans think that equality before the law for all is a good thing and generally in line with the US Constitution – an infuriatingly pluralist and secular Enlightenment document. They also increasingly think that love and commitment trump genital difference as a qualification for marriage. The decline of superstitious taboos about sex and gender is so annoying, isn’t it?

          2. floridahank 3 Jan, 7:56pm

            Hey Riondo — I have to make a distinction between secular and spiritual when discussing the homosexual agenda and activity. I can see our Govt. getting more pro-homosexual in many of its acts. One reason is that most of the leadership involved is made up of either atheists or non-spiritual thinkers and their level of morality is constantly declining. That’s reflected in our country’s attitude and behavior — we’re a leader in abortion, producers of pornography, a huge drug addiction problem — increasing divorce rate, huge financial corruption by mega-companies, our military behavior is sub-standard, and we are unreliable in dealing with technological subversion. I could go on but you get the picture. And you can lay all that on our weak spiritual following. We have many churches but the vast majority of them have no idea of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. A church without Him is empty and worthless and I don’t see any kind of Revival to uplift our nation.

          3. First of all, it’s not an “agenda”.
            Second, until you acknowledge that sexual orientation of any kind is not a choice (and face it- you didn’t say it, but you believe it to be), you and your ilk will always be looked upon by the more critical thinkers on the planet as suffering from some kind of yet-to-be-named psychological malfunction.

          4. floridahank 6 Jan, 8:17pm

            Hey Rodg , yes, you have an agenda and it’s rather obvious — look at the definition of agenda. You want to reindoctrinate the public education system and rewrite the books with a greater emphasis on homosexual families and in some cases even leaving out “mother or father” altogether. You want to force churches to marry homosexuals and have “hate” attached to preaching from the Holy Bible that professes homosexuality as sinful. All of this is getting a stronghold because many of the leadership have become atheists or followers of a pagan religion. No, to me the agenda is easy to read. But there is a backlash coming where families are seeing homosexuality as harmful to the average American family.

      2. Frank Boulton 4 Jan, 2:59pm

        I thought that Utah, with all of those Mormon’s upheld a more biblical view of marriage, hankhawk@basicisp.net, more a man-woman-woman-woman-woman… sort of thing.

        1. floridahank 4 Jan, 5:06pm

          Hey Frank, I agree that the Mormons had/have weird religious/social ideas. But today’s Mormons pretty well stick to one man one woman marriage. I don’t believe they are a true Christian church (for many reasons), but I believe the majority of them still hold to the traditional marriage union, and feel that they will definitely go along and not promote homosexual marriages. There are some strong changes throughout the USA that will limit homosexual marriage to a select number of states, but if it’s put up for state elections, a man/woman marriage will be the norm.
          Even though the Godless Fed. Govt. is pro-homosexual marriage.
          In the final decision, the Lord and Savior will win out and we can expect some
          severe judgment – which is already happening .

          1. News Flash; government is supposed to be “godless”- i.e. separation of Church and State. Politicians are certainly able to practice whatever Faith they choose, but their beliefs have no place ion law-making. They should be keeping it between themselves and whoever they worship.
            If you haven’t sold your daughter into a pre-arranged nuptial, or traded her for three goats, news flash: marriage has already been redefined.
            If you’re so anti-gay, WHY are you even posting on and visiting a gay-demographiced page?? Troll much?
            Deal with it.

          2. floridahank 6 Jan, 8:23pm

            Hey Rodg, if you’re read the early writings of our American history, you’ll see that there was strong sentiment of most of the leaders involved in the creation of the USA with a religious belief behind their writings . Many of them were indeed Christians and followers of Jesus Christ. Some were simply deists, yet they though that our laws were being guided by a higher power, if not God. Unfortunately, too many of our present politicians are God-less and have no idea of the foundation of our once-great nation. But the Truth of Jesus Christ will prevail when it’s right.
            I follow this site because I want to know the homosexual thinking and its agenda,
            it’s the best one around.

  2. Well, that’s nice to know – a homophobic public official prepared to waste millions of a pointless fight against the tide of history. I hope his electorate remembers this disgusting bigot at the ballot box – especially when their taxes are increased because of his irrational and hate-filled actions.

  3. I hope that these officials spend every dime of Utah’s tax money and lose.

    1. So do I, when the people see their state sinking further into debt and poverty they’ll start to wonder just how rational these religiously insane bigots really are. They don’t give a rats ass about serving their public, they only care about forcing their religious and political ideals onto the society they think they “rule”.

  4. Sounds like he’s an alumnus of the Lillian Ladele School of Lost Causes !

    It should surely be obvious, even to the dimmest Republican, that they will lose on this one. The Supreme Court has already struck down DOMA, the electorate rejected the Republicans in favour of gay-friendly Obama, and by the time the case reaches SCOTUS a majority of the states will probably have Equal Marriage.

    There will also have been several thousand same sex marriages in Utah, so it will be much harder to peddle fears that the sky will fall in.

  5. Yes, waste millions of $’s of tax-payers money to fight for your religious ideology when the result of not challenging it makes absolutely no difference to your life! What a complete tool this man is.

    But then again, the Republicans are the ones who forced a government shut down, put thousands out of work, inconvenienced potentially millions of people, damaged the reputation of the US around the world, embarrassed themselves and their country…

    These people do not deserve to be in government. They’re selfish, fanatical, abusive, racist, homophobic, sexist, disgusting wastes of Human skin.

    I have yet to see a Republican who I didn’t think was nothing more than a wannabe dictator.

  6. If they lose – Hee Haw. If they win – they will have spent all that money on just postponing the inevitable.

  7. Google “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” … they believe in gold tablets (since vanished) found in a cave in upstate New York (along with some SUPERIOR ‘shrooms?), and that if you marry enough women (currently only permissible in their temples, not binding legally) and father enough children (don’t know how they handle THAT part), you will be rewarded with your own planet and become a godlet, mini-god, whatever. Oh, and God and Mrs. God (yes, even GOD has a wife) live on the Planet Kolob, which no astronomer (even the ones at the Mormon BYU university) has ever been able to find.

    You can see how that belief set wouldn’t accept same-sex marriage equality.

    Of course, they didn’t accept blacks into the priesthood until the 1970s, when the then-”Prophet” had a “revelation.”

    Fully 50% of their horny young buck “Elders” return from their mission “out” and partnered.

    1. Yeah, because that’s crazy. Unlike the perfectly reasonable story of a god/man that was born from a virgin that was impregnated by an invisible sky fairy and then was executed but sprang back to life three days later. Or the crazy stories surrounding Abraham/Moses/Muhammad…

      Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Mormonism, Scientology are just different versions of the same insanity that stems from some people’s complete inability to deal with or accept the fact that there are some things that we just don’t understand.

      1. Those religions all promote extreme procreation. Why? To swell the number of followers. The more followers, the more wealth and power held by the leaders. Any religion which outlaws the ‘wasting of seed’ is simply in it for the money and control.

  8. He’s going to spend whatever it takes so there is someone else to blame when Utah loses the appeal.

  9. The Utah government leaders have to posture since the matter for them is less whether the state wins or loses (though many are probably true believers) but what will happen in the next round of primaries and elections in Utah. I think it is a pretty safe bet that the majority in Utah (though a smaller majority than before) still vehemently oppose equal marriage and will vote against politicians who don’t seem to be equally vehement (or at least that is what those currently in power believe).

    They’ve now got less than a month to prepare for the appeal (since the 10th circuit decided to expedite matters) so may have to concentrate on that (the AG office being a bit short of competence in federal cases and they still have to officially hire outside counsel).

  10. Monte Stewart the hired mouthpiece is a dedicated follower of the cult of Moroni. Father of ten children and deal maker with other homophobes in the Catholic cult to deprive LGBT of any and all rights under the Constitution. Utah will lose in the Supreme Court that is a certain as the fact that their cult of Moroni was created by a charlatan. I am so looking forward to Monte Stewart being given a logic beating by Associate Justice Sonia Sotomayor.

  11. “I’ am going to spend ‘the state’s’ money (including that of GLBT citizens) fighting equal rights, because my silly religion supports my bigoted views.”

  12. Sean Reyes…what a total twerk!

  13. Given the estimated cost to the taxpayer $2million and the population of Utah which is 2.85million – not all of them will be taxpayers, it would be accurate to say that this measure alone will mean every tax payer has to pay $1 extra. If they do not raise taxes to account for this then that means cuts from elsewhere on a sure lose case.

    At least in California it was not financed by the state. They could have a court case by giving an outside party the authority to defend in lieu of the state and save the taxpayer that money. Poor governance all round.

  14. As if it is not offensive enough that he is going to use an undetermined amount of tax payers money to deny equality and equal rights under the constitution of the US. Utah Attorney General hits LGBT tax payers with a double whammy… he’s going to use “their” tax dollars to deny them the rights he’s paid to protect!

    But as always there is no rational thought to this mans prejudices, proving you can’t reason with Republican! If I lived in Utah… I would be contacting the tax dept for a exemption

  15. Christopher in Canada 31 Dec 2013, 11:15pm

    Every dog barks in his own yard.
    – Rudyard Kipling

  16. I’m all for ANYTHING that drains the coffers of anti-gay Christians, Mormons, Muslims, Jews or any other group that allows their fears, and uses their fairy tales, to deny other people rights. It warms my heart to see these bigots throwing their money down a rabbit hole.

  17. Janet Lameck 31 Dec 2013, 11:39pm

    Just MAKE SURE it comes out of your OWN pocket!

  18. Barry William Teske 1 Jan, 1:51pm

    Besides anonymity, some religions remain the last hiding ground of hate.
    This is the part of history those religions try their best at revisioning.
    For to be discovered means the end of those that pray to hate as if a god.
    This so called Attorney General is afraid.
    Light is being shone upon the hate.
    Hate that he obviously prays to.
    May the universe have mercy upon him.
    For his hate will not.

  19. marshlander 1 Jan, 2:07pm

    Mormons in Utah deny family members and friends entrance to their temples where their straight weddings take place. I am one of thousands who have had to wait outside the building while my own son was inside getting married. Along with their other extraordinary beliefs and practices they have never been strangers to unpleasant behaviour when it comes to marriage. From the early leaders stealing of other men’s wives, including Joseph Smith’s secret marriages (secret from his legal wife, Emma, that is) to at least one fourteen year-old among his thirty-four “wives” through Brigham Young’s pronouncement that any white Mormon marrying a black person should be put to death, to the nonsense excluding loved ones from weddings and opposition to same-sex marriage the LDS cult has been vicious behind their smiles and suits.

    That one man apparently has the authority to spend precious local resources on trying to fight equality seems wrong. Let the cult fund his campaign, let the law find

    1. marshlander 1 Jan, 2:09pm

      the cult in breach of the terms of their charitable status and let the whole miserable edifice fall. I suspect, though, that the cult itself has more money in the coffers than many countries of this world.

  20. Dennis J 1 Jan, 3:27pm

    If this Utah appeal makes it through the 10th circuit, which is very likely, and all the way to the Supreme Court, a ruling upholding judge Shelby’s order would most likely invalidate all the existing anti equal marriage laws in the US. So ironically, the Utah attorney general is helping speed up the process to equal marriage in all 50 states.

  21. Ned Flaherty 1 Jan, 11:19pm

    The article says — incorrectly — that “it could take a year for a stay to be granted.”

    That is untrue.

    The request for a stay will be either denied or else granted within only a few days. That’s because a stay of a ruling is only a temporary suspension of the district court’s decision while appeals are heard; it’s not a review of the entire case, and so can be decided very quickly.

    All 4 prior requests were denied by both the district court the and U.S. Tenth Court of Appeals, so this request already has a very poor track record.

    Whether the stay decision is made by Justice Sotomayor, another justice, or the entire U.S. Supreme Court, it will be made within only a few days.

    It is the U.S. Tenth Court of Appeals case that will take much of 2014, and the U.S. Supreme Court appeal that will take much of 2015.

  22. Frank Boulton 4 Jan, 3:20pm

    And we have yet another organisation, the Marriage Law Foundation, whose name would lead one to believe that it promotes and supports marriage but whose purpose is to prevent marriage. One has to admire the supramundane intelligence of these fundamentalists with their ability to concoct and comprehend all of these paradoxes. (LOL) This sounds like another own goal to the bigots.

  23. gnmorrie 4 Jan, 4:05pm

    its time for the silent majority in Utah to stand up and be counted, and tell this douchbag to stop spending their tax money to enforce his religious, bigoted opinion of same sex marriage. Its about EQUALITY under civil law.

  24. Doesn’t he mean “buy whoever it takes”?

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