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Shadow Justice Secretary: Decision to pardon Alan Turing ‘is a truly fitting tribute’

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  1. What plans are in place to pardon the other 50,000 men convicted for gross indecency.

    There are men still alive convicted under this law that need justice (and compensation if their lives and careers were ruined.)

  2. As I’ve said on the other thread a pardon indicates forgiveness, but Turing did NOTHING wrong to be forgiven! A grand apology to this great homosexual man would have been far more fitting. A pardon enables the British establishment to continue feeling superior, rather than to indicate remorse and penitence which are far more appropriate than forgiveness!

    If I were Turing I’d be saying “Shove your pardon up your jacksy, Liz, and give me AN APOLOGY! Say you are SORRY, that you all did WRONG! That you persecuted me horribly and made me suffer!”

  3. I’m sort of with Tatchell on this one: pardoning Turing and no-one else makes it seem as though it’s a showy gesture for one long-dead important person – the underlying injustice isn’t addressed at all.

    Actually, I think this pardon is all wrong. It doesn’t change what happened, it just whitewashes it, and as Turing died over 50 years ago and had no descendants, it’s hardly going to matter to him.

  4. Apart from compensation to all the victims of these laws and their families, the best way for the government to show that they’ve moved on is to plough much greater effort and resources into equality and LGBT anti-bullying campaigns.

    Pardons and apologies are just so much empty public theatre. They don’t really mean anything, because none of the people in government today were there in the 40s, 50s and 60s when these homophobic convictions were made. You cannot apologise for something you didn’t do. They might as well issue a pardon on behalf of William the Conqueror to all the Saxons whose lands were stolen.

    No, the current government does not need to apologise or issue pardons. That achieves nothing. What it does have a responsibility to do is demonstrate that it no longer holds such awful opinions, pursue equality and make such restitution to past victims as is necessary. Not because it somehow inherits the sins of previous governments, but because equity is what it is for.

    1. Philip Breen 26 Dec 2013, 7:39am

      Homophobic convictions were not restricted to the 40s, 50s, and 60s. Unbelievable as it might seem, Police entrapment was used in a ‘pretty police routine’ until a decade ago. Until the 2003 Sex Offences Act, thousands of men were prosecuted in this way for ‘soliciting or persistently importuning by man for an immoral purpose’. The 2003 SOA, at least requires proof that sexual activity has taken place whereas, for those done for ‘soliciting’ rather than ‘gross indecency’, no such standard of proof was needed. Their lives are ruined by subsequent DBS checks that stop them working or volunteering where ‘enhanced’ checks are required. These men should at least have their crimes ‘filtered’ or ‘disregarded’ once they are spent. I wonder if the Turing pardon will provoke general reassessment by the gov’t of why gay men are continuing to be discriminated against by the effects of these disclosures of victimless crimes?

  5. What did labour do for his “pardon” or equal marriage in 13 years in power?

  6. Dr David Hill 28 Dec 2013, 10:37pm

    Politicians getting on the bandwagon as usual. Where was Labour over their 13-years to bring this about? Nowhere and that’s why politicians are not worth house room to be blunt.

    Also a little too late but where there are certainly double standards when it comes to the ‘Establishment’ –

    Dr David Hill
    World Innovation Foundation

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