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Richard Dawkins: The decision to pardon Alan Turing will send a signal to the world

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  1. Philip Breen 24 Dec 2013, 4:19pm

    Richard Dawkins is right. The final part of the article made reference to the apparently promised amnesty by Mr Cameron in 2010. However, given the strict conditions attached, it has helped very few since so few, in fact, qualify for their old, spent & victimless offences to be ‘disregarded’. The way forward to rebuild the lives of those adversely affected by the DBS current disclosures of old, spent, gay offences for ‘Gross Indecency’, ‘Soliciting by man’ etc would be to either allow for them to be ‘disregarded’ or ‘filtered’, so long as minors had not been involved. Then these men could put the past behind them effectively & the gov’t wouldn’t have to pay the compensation that pardons would involve.

  2. Richard Dawkins is absolutely right.
    Here’s a tweet from Professor Dawkins this morning on the news,
    “Overturning a conviction” sounds a lot better than “pardon”.
    “Pardon” implies that #Turing did something wrong in the first place.

  3. John M. Guerra 24 Dec 2013, 4:46pm

    What is needed here is an ABJECT HEARTFELT APOLOGY both royal and from the government, not a pardon. What they did to Turing was barbaric and worthy of the opponents that Turing helped Britain to defeat… .

  4. Helge Vladimir Tiller 24 Dec 2013, 4:58pm

    To be precise, I fully agree with R. Dawkins. This actual “case” is being noticed all over the World !

  5. Glad people are looking for the positives in this decision but unfortunately, people in some of these anti-gay governments of certain countries, will not give a tinkers fart about this decision. I hope I am wrong :(

    1. johnny33308 24 Dec 2013, 5:29pm

      sadly, you are NOT wrong…..

  6. johnny33308 24 Dec 2013, 5:16pm

    Sorry, but the fact that it took so long for the Queen to do this renders it completely meaningless. This man contributed to winning WWII perhaps more than any other single person and just because he happened to be gay, he had to commit suicide….this sort of suicide today we look at like murder, do we not? Bullied to death?! Besides, after the export of rabid homophobia by Great Britain for hundreds of years into every corner of this world, this act is too little too late. Disgusting, is what this truly is! The fact that GB turned the entire world homophobic with its laws once it conquered most of it will simply not just go away. At least these days the UK is a much ‘nicer’ place for minorities but this in no way removes the stain of ignorance that was placed upon your history; much like the horrors of slavery stains the heart of the US, to this day! There is no way to ‘make up’ for such monstrous suffering caused by ignorance, no way at all…..apologies are meaningless.

  7. Robert in S. Kensington 24 Dec 2013, 5:21pm

    Well said, Richard Dawkins. With all the posturing by the CofE hierarchy during the marriage debate how they were wrong in supporting discrimination against gay people for centuries, you’d have thought Welby would have taken this occasion to make an official apology on behalf of Alan Turing and all LGBT people in the UK. Long overdue but I won’t hold my breath. The same nasty church it’s always been which played a role in Alan’s suicide or murder.

  8. white squirrel 24 Dec 2013, 9:47pm

    no hostile rant from the american prince of clowns yet ??

  9. So much still to do for this country to atone for the harms done to millions by these vile laws.
    The effects of English homophobia and bigotry is still continuing around the world in legacy laws and attitudes inspired during the colonial times, often these countrys will still not accept their genisus, so ingrained was the hatred and prejudice being promoted.
    Even now we give exemptions in our own laws to the actions of religious groups which perpetuate demostratable harm on our young LGBTI people and give them charitable status (which is only supposed to be available to those who “futher a public good”), and public funds are given to education institutions which discriminate against LGBT students and condone or do not rectify rampant bullying.

    Much still to do.

  10. Yes, and it’s absolutely ironic that todays’ anti-gay russia was probably one of the main beneficiaries of the decoded enigma data in terms of executing their war against the nazis.

    1. Good point. One that is often overlooked and needs repeating in the MSM.

  11. Biuro Szyfrów 25 Dec 2013, 2:59pm

    I don’t think changing history benefits anybody it just makes people look stupid much the same as the black inventors that never were.

    Biuro Szyfrów “Cipher Bureau” codebreakers Polish long before the mathematician Alan Turing.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biuro_Szyfrów

    Cryptanalysis of the Enigma
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptanalysis_of_the_Enigma

    Tommy Flowers, Flowers was born at 160 Abbot Road, Poplar in London’s East End on 22 December 1905, the son of a bricklayer.
    Thomas “Tommy” Harold Flowers, MBE (22 December 1905 – 28 October 1998) was a British engineer. During World War II, Flowers designed Colossus, the world’s first programmable electronic computer, to help solve encrypted German messages.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Flowers

    Died 28 October 1998 (aged 92)
    Mill Hill, London, England
    Nationality British
    Occupation Engineer
    Spouse(s) Eileen Margeret Green
    Children 2

  12. Ross Logie 28 Dec 2013, 7:03am

    I understand the “words” but I don’t understand what the pardon was for! Is it the case that Mr. Turning did not commit the crime for which he was sentenced? Or that new evidence has been received that made the conviction unsafe?

    Surely history will still record that he was convicted of the crime for which he was sentenced or is it the case that history is to be rewritten; shades of 1984?

    Two days ago I ordered a copy of a book by Oscar Wilde, one of my favourite writers, is he likely to receive a similar pardon or perhaps he has already been pardoned!

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