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US: California group files lawsuit after ‘signatures’ fail to ballot trans bathroom rights law

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  1. If there were any real justice in ‘murica this would result in Pastor Jack Hibbs and his fellow con-men spending some time in jail for fraud. This reminds me of Pastor Peter Mortlock of Auckland NZ’s Impact Church who rigged an equal marriage poll at the start of this year. Con artists the lot of them.

    1. I think this is all pretty much standard for these kinds of petitions. If you go out and collect signatures to ask the government to do something, you will inevitably get people putting down fake or incorrect details and you won’t have the resources to check them. In a formal petition process like this, where collecting a certain number of signatures mandates some kind of action by a government, it is normal for the government to check how many are authentic. This organisation certainly knew this (I imagine many of them would have been involved in Proposition 8) and would have had nothing to gain by knowingly submitting fake signatures.

      1. Midnighter 22 Dec 2013, 7:44pm

        you will inevitably get people putting down fake or incorrect details
        Indeed, and as I have pointed out with a closely related example, we have precedent these fraudsters may include priests.

        This organisation certainly knew this … and would have had nothing to gain by knowingly submitting fake signatures.
        This is a non sequitur. They would gain a greater implied mandate for their petition. Their knowledge of their own dishonesty and risk of being caught out doesn’t negate that, any more than a parachutist’s knowledge and fear prevents gravity from working when he leaves the aircraft.

        Unless you have compelling data to the contrary, it seems most reasonable to conclude that the balance of the discrepancies arise from the petition’s supporters have engaged in dishonest and fraudulent activities.

  2. I’ll bet that some of their “signatures” include the likes of Donald Duck, Ben Dover, permanent residents of industrial and commercial properties, and maybe even a few people living in famous addresses like Buckingham Palace and 10 Downing Street.
    Y’know, likein the C4M petition to block marriage in England and Wales.

  3. The two counties, between them, have under 1% of California’s population. Even if their random sample were 100% valid, they wouldn’t raise the validity rate to over 78%.

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