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  1. Ah, the old “accidental deletion” excuse from Facebook again? Is anyone still buying this line?

    This is either auctioned by a member of staff with equally bigoted views, of they have failed by installing an automatic system which just requires enough bigots to flag something before it’s taken down and the user blocked.

    Either way, it doesn’t look good for FB.

    1. Midnighter 18 Dec 2013, 5:45pm

      Quite right. Their routine defence is apathetic and as unconvincing as the Little Britain character’s slopy-shouldered “Computer sez no!”

      Facebook: you are responsible for the net result, so “oopsy” isn’t good enough. Any such false positives are a sign that you need to improve your systems. Enough of the excuses: let’s hear what you are doing to fix the problem.

      1. I would love to know whether this is an automated system, or whether there are people at FB who manually review reported content and make a decision about the removal of content and the banning of users.
        FB seems entirely reluctant to explain how this is done. This tells me that there is an element of Human decision making in this process, and they know that admitting this would cast them in a very bad light.

        At the very least there should be a manual step after the automatic deletion of content so a user can appeal and have Human eyes look at it objectively. Then we would know whether it’s a person making this decision based on their radical beliefs, or whether the automatic system needs refining.

        It’s interesting that they remain so silent about how this process is carried out.

  2. There’s so much anti-religious hate in the comments on this website that I just wanted to leave a rare comment that showed solidarity to a gay sikh guy who is sticking up for his rights and has a religious faith.

    1. Midnighter 18 Dec 2013, 6:56pm

      Yeah he is, but he also said of his orthodox Sikh uncle who expressed his (religiously rooted) opinion “F*ck my uncle”, so I’m sure he’d be the first to agree that his religion is inciting (or justifying) some hate of its own.

      Kudos for your sentiment, I too applaud him for being someone with some integrity who is standing up for himself against the brain-washing of a lifetime.

    2. Consider the meaning of this passage:

      “I owe that to my sikhi heritage and my mom. Also, for all the ranting about genocide i hear…i rarely see solidarity. So…f*ck em all.”

      The ranting about genocide is Sikh being victimised in India (many massacres) because of their religious believes. But he doesn’t care about it anymore because those same victims never supported him, on the contrary. So in a way, the post was a FU to the religion he belongs to.

    3. I believe being a Sikh is being part of an ethnic/tribal identity as well, not just a religious one – just as there are non-observant Jewish people.

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  4. James Campbell 19 Dec 2013, 3:05am

    I am not a Sikh, but several of my friends & colleagues are (some of who are gay). Sikhism has no specific teachings about homosexuality. The holy scripture of Sikhs, ‘Guru Granth Sahib Ji’ does not explicitly mention homosexuality; however, married life is encouraged time and time again in the scripture. Sikhs place a high value on marriage and its role in increasing the number of children in the faith.

    There is much debate in the Sikh community with regard to issues such as homosexuality. However, Sikhism does not hate or believe that homosexuals are damned to hell. Sikh Gurus teach that God is without hatred and animosity and we are all children of God who loves everyone regardless of one’s thoughts or actions. Homosexuals are free to attend the Gurdwara Sahib and participate in church services. As with any faith here are those who place cultural bias above the faith they claim to believe in. There are fundamentalist bigots loose in every faith on the planet.

  5. I suppose Facebook will be deleting pictures of all Frenchman whose greeting includes men kissing men, with no gay overtones whatsoever. Perhaps next will be deletions of Italians or other men holding hands?
    I long ago rejected Facebook and I suggest others in our community do say.

    1. It seems to only be photos that gain attention from bigots and are reported because of it. One of the first instances of this that I can recall was of two characters on East Enders kissing, which was deleted by Facebook for breaching their terms. Thousands of people started posting the photo themselves and Facebook couldn’t keep up with deleting them all so they had o give in.
      The BBC and others jumped on the story and Facebook couldn’t give a response other than it was “and error”. It clearly wasn’t, it was deleted by FB over and over again until they were harassed into submission.

      I think the systems might have changed since then to become more automated, but we don’t know. There’s seemingly massive secrecy over how this process is carried out.

      My belief is that it was manual, and bigots were making their own decisions about banning images and users based on radical Christian beliefs. I think it’s more automated now, but still obviously flawed.

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