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National Secular Society: ‘Religion is more important to Baroness Warsi than gay people’

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  1. “I was clear in terms of where my position was on equal marriage. I felt that there were concerns that I had about how faith communities and the right of faith communities to have their beliefs protected.”
    Your beliefs are protected. How are they not? You can ‘believe’ what you like, so long as your ‘actions’ do not infringe on the rights of others.
    Your particular beliefs should not be given privilege, especially over the rights of others.
    I support anyone’s rights to believe any thing they desire.
    But that’s not what Warsi is talking about here, is it? She’s talking about her worries of not being able to implement religious beliefs on society, and not being able to enforce religious laws on people. Those are not beliefs, they are actions.

  2. Robert in S. Kensington 13 Dec 2013, 4:43pm

    Too right, NSS, well said. Warsi is an idiot. She needs to re-read the new Marriage Bill in which it explicitly states that no denomination will be compelled to opt-in against its ethos. What more does this bloody cretin want?

    1. She wants ‘the gay mafia’ to vanish so she can climg to her religious beliefs, undisturbed. Look dear – we don’t CARE what you believe. Believe away from now to paradise come. But for f**ks sake stop trying to impose YOUR belief on the rest of rational society. OK? Geddit? Good.

  3. This intellectually challenged woman is not fit to hold public office.

    Shame on those who voted her into public office. Oh, wait, nobody did. One more reason for an elected second chamber.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 13 Dec 2013, 5:41pm

      We should get rid of the Lords altogether, just have an unicameral chamber of elected MPS. New Zealand has it and it functions extremely well. Even Scotland too. Also, get rid of that absurd division nonsense and clearing the lobby to vote. Parliament should adopt electronic voting systems so results are instant.

  4. The simple answer to silencing homophobic dinosaurs like this is to abolish the UNELECTED House of Lords. What does this woman contribute to the sum total of our society by holding the office she does? Absolutely nothing – except dissent where equality is concerned. Religious belief is not – and must never be – a license to discriminate. Believe whatever you want. Just keep it to yourself and do not try to impose it on those who think it is all childish nonsense.

  5. She was only given the unelected position via tokenism , surely they could have found someone else who was not a homophobe bigot like warsi who clearly supports apartheid for certain communities. She’s a disgrace and should be sacked.

    1. ….. And a Tory, through and through …..

  6. Does “faith” require that you inflict your views and beliefs on anyone who does not share them? Think about that and realise how appalling that stance would be to anyone not just gay people?

    1. Sixty per cent of the unholy Koran is taken up with “discussion” of non-believers: how they should be mistreated, condemned, tortured and killed. This particular “faith” DOES require the inflicting of misery on others, and that’s why it has no place in Western society. In any society.

  7. Warsi is just trying to do her Master’s bidding, that Master being the radical hate spewing mullahs – she’d be lynched if she came out as pro-Gay.

  8. I don’t see why people are so annoyed about her decision. She is supposed to represent the views of both gays and religious groups. She basically said if the religious groups sort their stuff out she would vote in favour of same sex marriages. She wasn’t able to resolv the remaining issues with the various religious groups that she was supposed to be representing and as such abstained. What she didn’t do was vote against same sex marriage I.e. She clearly hasn’t let the views of religious people take complete priority in her decision.

    1. Yes. Though a lot of PN commentators like to see the world in black and white, the truth is that society is more complex than that. The votes in Parliament pretty much seem to have reflected the view of the rest of the country – I’m not talking strict percentages, but a good (but not overwhelming) majority in favour of equal marriage. In a democracy, that’s a good thing – whether or not all parliamentarians are elected (as they should be).

      I, for one am glad that we live in a country where many points of view are heard in parliament. On average that makes this a better place to live – less likely to be unfair or cruel. The price of that is having to put up with inadequates like Baroness Warsi.

  9. Why would Tory leaders stick their necks out promoting equal marriage and then appoint this Muslim bigot to oversee proceedings? Deeply suspicious. Despite impressive leads taken recently for equal rights in the party, I say Don’t trust the Tories! Warsi is an ignorant peasant.

  10. Colin (Queenstown/London) 13 Dec 2013, 7:28pm

    For me she is a nobody living in the past with all the other relics in the HOL
    We must separate society and religion. It is a personal belief and has no factual base to it. Some old books written 1000’s years ago are hardly scientific proof. We should start with demanding a register of religion in Parliament and trend the MP’s Voting. All religious organisations should be removed from Parliament as they are simply pressure groups.

    We need to put society at the forefront and organise for the benifits of the many not cultist. Surely we have science, laws, medicine, an understanding of the universe which grows daily. Those who go to religion are putting their heads in the sand and refusing to live in the real world.

    Please ensure Warsi never gets involved in anything that needs a brain again.

  11. floridahank 13 Dec 2013, 8:00pm

    Most of the world has no idea what faith in God the Creator is all about. Most have never deeply studied the Holy Bible and the works of Scriptural scholars and archeologists who have proven that the early works of God are correct and there have not been any facts that contradict the early scrolls and manuscripts of 4,000 years of historical events and prophecy — most critics have never seriously read or examined all the proven writings of ancient oracles — there are over 5,000 items — both religious and secular that confirm the authenticity of Jewish and Christian beliefs. Most pagans, atheists and unbelievers are actually not permitted to know the Truth and therefore continue to live under the ruler of this world — the anti-God ! His followers put self as their own little god and make their own secular laws and create wars and various evils — study human nature and you’ll see how small , vain and hateful mankind is towards itself.

    1. I want to shake the stupidity out of you. Violently. Does that make me wrong?

    2. There are very few facts in your statement.

  12. She said her past stance was wrong – but did she apologise? You didn’t mention any apology before.

    I think religion is more important to her than gay people. But then, I don’t think gay people are even slightly important to her, not one damn iota

  13. floridahank 13 Dec 2013, 8:10pm

    Most of the world has no idea what faith in God the Creator is all about. Most have never deeply study the Holy Bible and the works of Scriptural scholars and archeologists who have proven that the early works of God are correct and there have not been any facts that contradict the early scrolls and manuscripts of 4,000 years of historical events and prophecy — most critics have never seriously read or examined all the proven writings of ancient oracles — there are over 5,000 items — both religious and secular that confirm the authenticity of Jewish and Christian beliefs. Most pagans, atheists and unbelievers are not permitted to know the Truth and continue to live under the ruler of this world — the anti-God ! His followers put self as their own little god and make their own secular laws.

    1. PantoHorse 14 Dec 2013, 2:27pm

      At your delusional best, Hank. Quite remarkable!

      1. floridahank 14 Dec 2013, 5:17pm

        I’m sorry you didn’t point out my delusional “facts” which I see you didn’t disprove anything, but that’s because you live under a deluded secular, pleasure-seeking philosophy. You apparently did come from an ape ancestor and what will happen to you after death should be very intriguing to you if you’ve even contemplated it.

        1. Midnighter 15 Dec 2013, 1:35am

          Probably for much the same reason that no one bothers to try and disprove the veracity of events in the Harry Potter novels either. When a book includes talking donkeys and unicorns, I usually file it in the children’s fiction section.

  14. She wouldn’t be a Baroness, let alone in the Cabinet, if she wasn’t the sort of Muslim the Tories like – not too bothered about foreign policy but an ethnic-minority supporter of ‘social conservatism’. You might say ‘Her faith is her fortune’.

  15. Religion is more important to this unelected crackpot than anything. She really is proof that a Muslim is a Muslim is a Muslim.

  16. The Baroness is in danger of painting herself into a corner. She clearly threw her lot in with the religious institutions and for some time has been pandering to them with speeches that support many of their high profile phobias, such as secularism and marriage equality.

    But it’s looking like she has backed the wrong horse, because not only does the majority of the population support marriage equality, but Parliament and her own boss David Cameron support it also. Add to that the results of the most recent Yougov poll which supports separation of state and religion, plus the fact that she is unelected and I think Baroness Warsi would do well to “zip it” for a while and hope she can retain her job.

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