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Christian Concern: Don’t ban gay ‘cure’ therapy as it helps vulnerable people

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  1. No it means they can’t brainwash people into thinking they are something they are not. All this “cure” nonsense is rooted in religion. All they want to do is suppress our “perverted” feelings and our lust because all us gay people do is think about sex and bum fun.

    I’ve had twitter arguments this past week with people who have been “cured” and every one of them has found the cure in “God”… They then try and preach to me how I can save myself… Frankly they can F*** off with the gay cure nonsense. I wonder if any of them would want to cure themselves of being straight or bigoted? No? I thought not!

    And Christian Concern were trying to maintain the Buggery Law in Jamaica weren’t they? Well how Christian of them!

    Sorry for the rant. lol… This subject is a touchy one at the moment.

    1. Sorry should have added that the people who are pushing it on others can f off. Not the people who have gone through it. I don’t believe they are cured though at all. It’s just suppression through religion in my eyes

    2. Dr Christopher Shell 28 Dec 2013, 2:12pm

      Would you prevent people by law from receiving advice on newly identifying as gay rather than straight? Because you want to prevent them doing the opposite.

      If not, then that’s discrimination.

      And gay and straight are not hard and fast categories anyway. There is plenty of fluidity, most of all in the teen years. Thus a lot of the discussion is inaccurate and simplistic.

      1. Gareth B 10 Jan, 3:16pm

        I would prevent ANY kind of un-proven and potentially dangerous psychological guidance being given to ANYONE regardless of it’s subject matter. Legislation is there to provide guidance and protect, if you would like to have this type of “therapy” to continue then make it an approved therapy that would be within the guidelines. If it’s as clear cut as you state Mr Shell then this should be a simple matter. A bit of evidence, some real trials as well as a long term independent survey should see you clear…I can’t think why this isn’t already a recognised field of expertise.

        I shall now go and reply to all your other threads.

  2. the term “back-street remedy” implies the normal, legal method is safe and beneficial which in this case it clearly is not therefore I can’t fathom why it’s deemed by Andrea Minichiello Williams to be a relevant phrase to use in this argument?

  3. This woman clearly has not read the evidence which shows that so called conversion therapy is ineffective and actually causes more harm.

    But why would a religious loon let facts get in the way?

    1. The are as they see them. I’m still waiting for proof that it’s possible to convert straights to gayness. And if people are struggling with same-sex attraction, it may be that religion is involved, and we all know the cure for that.

  4. That There Other David 13 Dec 2013, 3:39pm

    It helps you Andrea, nobody else. You go live in your little fantasy world all you like, but do everyone a favour and stop attempting to drag others into it.

    Can’t be outlawed soon enough IMO.

  5. Bob Hutton 13 Dec 2013, 3:40pm

    1st Corinthians 6 v 9-11 makes it clear that gays can be changed. God’s power is such that He can change anybody.

    1. The scripture you quote doesn’t mention gays at all, it’s about as clear as mud and you are obviously too deliberately unkind and nasty to be a righteous person yourself.
      See you in Hell!

      1. Christopher Shell 28 Dec 2013, 2:13pm

        Yes it does. It mentions arsenokoitai which (a) etymologically and (b) in its Jewish context (since it precisely echoes the language of Leviticus in the Septuagint) can only mean ‘males who lie with males’.

      2. Christopher Shell 28 Dec 2013, 5:16pm

        Have you got a death-wish or something?

    2. Beelzeebub 13 Dec 2013, 3:56pm

      Matthew 6:1-34

      “Beware of practising your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.”

      Stupid hypocrite.

    3. If your God is, as you no doubt believe, ‘all powerful’, why doesn’t she / he just rid the world of gay people? Why doesn’t he / she make them not-gay? Oh – and why does he / she permit terrible things like childhood cancer – oh and famine – oh … and tsunamis – oh and the myriad of other things you believe for which he is responsible? You really ought to grow-up, dear. Fairy stories belong in the nursery …..

      1. ‘Mysterious ways’ or some such nonsense.

    4. Christopher Coleman 13 Dec 2013, 4:58pm

      What a pity God does not change wrong-headed Christians into proper followers of Jesus. That would certainly attract converts in the way that Christian Concern types never will.

    5. Robert in S. Kensington 13 Dec 2013, 5:07pm

      Well then, maybe your sky pixie can cause religious bigots to be all embracing and loving, non-judgemental and hypocritical.

    6. Gays can’t be changed, they can affect their behaviour but that doesn’t make them NOT gay.

      http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/2004/04/Was-The-Apostle-Paul-Gay.aspx

      Sometimes those most scornful against homosexuality are those hiding their own feelings and attractions.

      1. Christopher Shell 28 Dec 2013, 5:05pm

        It wouldn’t be a proper thread without that old chestnut popping up.

        After all, it’s very likely to be true. As many as 1.5 percent of people are gay, the last circa 10 surveys have found.

    7. Guglielmo Marinaro 13 Dec 2013, 6:22pm

      Whatever the meaning of that passage in 1 Corinthians, it refers to something that Paul believed people had stopped DOING. There is no suggestion that anyone’s sexual orientation had changed or that Paul even thought in those terms.
      Romans 1 makes it clear that Paul believed that homosexual men were really heterosexual men who had given up sex with women and turned their libido to other men, and that this transformation was a punishment inflicted by God for worshipping images of men, birds, quadrupeds and reptiles. There is no reason why we in 2013 should believe such nonsense.

    8. Tim Hanafin 13 Dec 2013, 11:58pm

      Well Bob Hutton your god may be able to change people but clearly he can’t be bothered. Why would such a god allow Hitler to do his worst or Stalin, or the Yorkshire Ripper or Tony Blair etc etc ad nauseum
      ITS ALL FAIRY STORIES JUST GROW A SPINE AND LIVE YOUR LIFE YOU MORON

    9. Peter Duncan 19 Dec 2013, 9:53am

      You have to assume that God wants to change Gays. He can change anybody, if he wants to. He created gays as they are and does not go against his own laws. No mention is made specifically about curing gays in the text, just general immorality

  6. “Don’t ban gay ‘cure’ therapy as it helps Christian Concern dupe vulnerable people”

  7. By ‘vulnerable’, she presumably means those people who are struggling to come to terms with their ‘god-given’ sexuality – those who, because of religious brainwashing, cannot accept who they truly are? This woman needs help; help to stop judging people by her own psychological issues …..

  8. What the hell is a back street method? – I’ve got images of clockwork orange – men’s eyes fastened open by christian concern ‘affiliates’ forcing vulnerable men to watch gay porn, and using a coathanger for torture when they get aroused.

    1. I thought supplying and promoting discredited quack “therapies”, that mainstream medicine has rejected as harmful and dangerous…like gay cure “therapy”, was already the backstreet method.

  9. CH Brighton 13 Dec 2013, 3:56pm

    The problem, Ms Williams, is you and your ilk whose pernicious bigotry damages the self-esteem of young GLBT people. If people require counselling, it is to aid their recovery from the harm you do.

    1. Totally correct!!! If religion is responsible for all homophobia. It’s no co-incidence that, with the demise of organised religion in the Western world, there has been a vast improvement in the way in which ALL people get along with each other. So, the answer is simple; do away with her sort of evangelical religion … and there’ll be no requirement for ‘gay cures’. If there were no religiously-inspired taboos, people would not feel the need of a ‘cure. The ONLY one who appears in need of a cure (for her weird obsession with gay sex) is HER!

  10. soapbubblequeen 13 Dec 2013, 3:58pm

    What is it with this crazy puff-faced whore?! Did her boyfriend or husband leave her for a man and she can’t get over it or something?!! Demented woman.

    1. Self-loathing closet case ….. as with most rabid homophobes ….

    2. Christopher Shell 28 Dec 2013, 2:16pm

      A case of ‘If you haven’t got an argument an insult will do; if you haven’t got an insult God – bless – you’.

      1. Gareth B 10 Jan, 3:22pm

        An emotional response is a very human thing to do though. Maybe, the original opinion was felt to be a personal attack since it questions the persons very nature. You know, a bit like someone saying “there is no God” could be seen as attacking someone else’s very person. Incidentally, it’s why I don’t run a psychological support group trying to “revert” Christians to the state of Atheism that they were in at birth. I respect peoples lives enough to think that their beliefs are their own.

  11. Why is Andrea Minichiello Williams always getting so aroused by gay issues, is she an ex-gay repressing her lesbian attractions? I think she must be and it’s driven her mad, it’s very sad.

    1. Nail on head, Pavlos …! “Me thinks the lady doth protest too loudly”

    2. Christopher Shell 28 Dec 2013, 5:11pm

      Bingo! That old chestnut crops up every time. Go on repeating it for nostalgia’s sake.

      1. Gareth B 10 Jan, 3:27pm

        Interesting. An argument is no longer valid because it has been repeated too many times? Odd tact for anyone of a religious persuasion to use You are correct though, Mr Shell, the sexuality of the lady in questions has nothing to do with her flawed argument. She would be wrong regardless of her sexuality.

  12. When are these people going to realise that the Bible is an excellent story, but that’s pretty much it. People may have needed that sort of moral guidance at one point, the Bible making it more “accessible”, but do we really need to live in a country governed by fairy tales?

  13. Robert in S. Kensington 13 Dec 2013, 4:04pm

    ‘Backstreet remedies’? Is she for real? This only goes to show just how demented this freak is. She should be sectioned.

  14. Don’t ban gay ‘cure’ therapy as it helps us part vulnerable gay people from their money while allowing us to mess with their minds and drive more gays to commit suicide.

    1. Spot on. Sorry that the UK has to deal with the same kind of crazies we do in the US. Only, you guys have the guts to change it on the national level, while we tend to do things state by state, enabling a system of constant inequality.

      1. Well, you are a much bigger country … with some VERY conservative parts. We in the UK are increasingly prepared to give organised religion a WIDE berth. Deference – for many things which used to command ‘respect’ (religion, monarchy) are now treated with disinterest, if not actual militant disdain. Thankfully, Obama seem to be leading you, gently, in a similar direction

  15. Perhaps Andrea Minichiello Williams, as it’s so important to you , you should show everyone else just how easy it is for someone to change their sexual orientation by spending the next year or two as a lesbian woman living the “Lesbian Lifestyle”, until then we have no reason to believe your claim that therapy can change a persons sexual orientation

    1. I think it’s clear that she is DESPERATE to rid herself of the same-sex attraction thoughts she harbours. She wants to retain ‘cures’ because she feels she knows she is in need of one. I’d say to her, ‘Listen dear, if your ‘god’ is as loving as you fervently believe, he’ll accept you for what you are – gay, lesbian, whatever. So shut the f**k up and stop bothering people with your wild, self-loathing rants – when, in reality, the only person who is unhappy with their sexuality is YOU – and those you consequently brainwash to self-loath with your homophobic religious clap-trap’.’.

  16. Robert in S. Kensington 13 Dec 2013, 4:25pm

    Christian Concern should be shut down or designated officially as a HATE group!

    1. Christopher Shell 28 Dec 2013, 4:57pm

      Correct! To disagree is to hate. Same thing…….

    2. Christopher Shell 28 Dec 2013, 5:02pm

      Have you ever met a gay baby?
      Or a sexual baby of any description?
      Does Francis Collins head of the Human Genome Project believe in a gay gene? Which way do indentical twins studies point?
      Why are there such marked rises in gay-identification among college-educated girls and urban lads? And among the molested? (all: Laumann 1994)
      Why do Stacey and Biblarz 2001 in a meta-study of 21 papers see a 400+% rise in identifying as lesbian when raised by lesbians?
      Why do Savin-Williams and Ream 2007 find gay identity to be 3-4 times less stable than heterosexual?
      Questions, questions…but it’s the answers that interest us more.

      1. Christopher Shell 28 Dec 2013, 5:07pm

        typo: ‘identical’ not ‘indentical’

      2. Gareth B 10 Jan, 3:35pm

        Have you ever met a gay baby? – Yes, we all have. I have not, however, met a Christian baby. Just Christian parents with a child.

        Or a sexual baby of any description? No, although I defer to the Catholic faith as the experts here. After all, tackling the danger of homosexuals is far more important than pedophilia.

        Shall answer the other shortly.

    3. Christopher Shell 28 Dec 2013, 5:04pm

      Correct! To disagree is to hate. Disagreement -particularly principled disagreement and disagreement supported by evidence and research – should be banned.

      ‘But we’re not totalitarian!’

  17. Witch is upset that she can’t have gay people sent to see special ‘doctors’ so they can be convinced to commit suicide.
    She goes out to foreign countries asking them to arrest and convict people for being gay, but doesn’t have the guts to stand up and say as much at home.
    If she and her sort were to shut up and go away for a while, we would all see a miraculous healing in the LGBT community. Because people like her are the reason some of us feel so desperately unhappy.

    People like her make a career out of denying us happiness, then go about taking advantage of our moments of unhappiness. Be it appropriate sex ed, STI treatments and health programs, relationship rights, anything. Whatever it is us human beings need in order to survive, she actively tries to deny us, then gets on her high horse to say that we lack these things not through her bigoted interference, but solely because we are lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender.

    1. This appears to be one unhappy human being. She is so unhappy, she wants everyone else to be. Doesn’t say much for ‘religious belief’, does it? I would suspect that she wants to retain ‘gay cures’ mainly for herself. She is totally conflicted – by the religious brainwashing she’s suffered and the self-loathing she feels as a consequence of the same-sex attractions she has most likely experienced. She is in need of some serious help ….

    2. Christopher Shell 28 Dec 2013, 5:15pm

      All these witch comments will confirm many in their view of what some of you guys are really like. Shame….

      By the level of their discussion shall ye know them.

  18. This woman needs shooting. By firing squad. Preferably in front of her family.

    Seriously, she is deluded beyond belief… Just watch some of her videos on YouTube.

    Religion is superstition and its unacceptable to apply it’s ideologies to the general public.

    Don’t report on what she says. Don’t give her a platform from which she could direct her senseless drivel. Nobody else outside of her fellow cult followers ever give her a platform. Let her voice be like a fart in the wind…

    1. Please don’t do things like call for someone to be put to death. There’s no need to call for much violence. Please don’t bring us down to their level.

      1. I’m not a prolifer and this planet would be a much more tolerant place if her likes are removed. Oh yes and shooting is one of the most humane ways to dispose of her. She shouldn’t feel much pain.

        1. Christopher Shell 28 Dec 2013, 5:12pm

          Well, if you’re not a prolifer, all you need to do is answer the 219 points in Alcorn’s book Pro-Life Answers. You seem to have come to the ‘conclusion’ first and done the thinking later or not at all.

  19. Christopher Coleman 13 Dec 2013, 5:05pm

    Christian Concern and the so-called “gay cure therapists” prey upon vulnerable people. It’s how they’ve evolved. All hunting creatures attack the weak and vulnerable. The only difference between the animals and this lot is that they are human beings who can choose not to be predatory.

  20. Proof, if proof be needed, that even a barrister can be so moronically DUMB, IGNORANT and just downright NASTY!!!!!

  21. There’s no such thing as a ‘homosexual lifestyle’ but Andrea Williams is most certainly living the homophobic lifestyle.

  22. She is wrong about the law in Jamaica but she is right about everything else. The idea that homosexuality is this innate trait that is unchangeable, or that people are ” born gay”, is stupid. Instead, it’s a sexual ADAPTATION that has its roots in early childhood.

    Can people overcome homosexuality? For men at least, the answer is usually no – male homosexuality is often obligatory, and changes are extremely difficult because they threaten the individual’s psychic equilibrium. But that is no reason why it should be “banned”. Sometimes, understanding the ORIGIN of homosexual attractions helps men manage sexual temptation and compulsion (even if basic orientation doesn’t change) and could be a life saver. Ultimately, the principle of client self-determination is paramount.

    John.

    1. Guglielmo Marinaro 13 Dec 2013, 9:03pm

      That people are “born gay” is unproven. That people are “born straight” is equally unproven. That either homosexuality or heterosexuality is a sexual ADAPTATION that has its roots in early childhood is unproven. People hold various theories about the causes of sexual orientation, and they are fully entitled to hold them, but that’s all they are – theories, beliefs, opinions. No-one actually KNOWS. That doesn’t stop people from getting on with their lives, no matter what their sexual orientation and no matter what, if anything, caused it.

      Have people who, for whatever reason, don’t like their sexual orientation got the right to go to a “therapist” to get it changed? Yes, of course they have, just as they have the right to go for angel therapy, reincarnation therapy or crystal healing or to dabble in any other quackery that takes their fancy. However, it should not be allowed to be practised under the guise of genuine medicine, psychotherapy etc., or inflicted on minors.

      1. Christopher Shell 28 Dec 2013, 5:10pm

        The fact that there is not 100% knowledge does not mean that there is not a great deal more evidence for some possibilities than for others. Not to know everything about a topic is very, very far different from knowing nothing at all about that topic. You are confusing the two.

    2. Tim Hanafin 14 Dec 2013, 12:08am

      You are just saying what you believe. You cannot prove anything that you claim. That evil witch is not ‘right about everything else’ In fact you talk a load of b+ll+cks.

    3. “The idea that homosexuality is this innate trait that is unchangeable, or that people are ” born gay”, is stupid”

      As stupid as that statement you just made. Try putting fact’s up instead of silly bigotry.

  23. Ban religion for the under 18’s !

  24. Jay Hayes-Light 13 Dec 2013, 6:52pm

    “do not want to live a homosexual lifestyle” 1. Being homosexual is not a lifestyle. 2. Those who “do not want” need not, it is not compulsory. This woman is a barrister, what she knows about human sexuality can probably be written on a postage stamp. In my experience (16 years) of working with gay, trans & intersex youth, any negative feelings associated with homosexuality are related to the way in which gay people are demonised and misrepresented by the media & religious groups, misunderstood by society, parents & peer group, and suffer the barrage of inaccurate propaganda spread by the likes of this particular woman.

  25. Erica Cook 13 Dec 2013, 8:59pm

    I always want to ask what style of my life is gay. Is it my school work? My work with the disabled? Or my keeping up with the news? I find the term Lifestyle offensive.

    1. Christopher Shell 28 Dec 2013, 5:19pm

      The term ‘lifestyle’ refers to the very different average levels of promiscuity, serial relationships, drug taking, STIs, and premature death. Yes, the menfolk do bump up (or down) those averages.

  26. Stephen Glenn 13 Dec 2013, 9:10pm

    It is nice of Christian concern to recognise that bisexuality exists, when they say that peoples attractions may change over time. But it is not up them to bully people who’s sexuality may be bisexual, or may be homosexual, to decide that only by being straight can they be accepted. Yes there should be counselling available to people who struggle to comes to terms with there sexuality, but it should never tell them that the feelings they have are wrong. Merely that they are normal and help them to accept themselves. By making people attempt to deny their sexuality you are setting them up to feel like a failure every time the feelings that you are teaching them to deny resurface.

  27. Andrea Minichiello Williams wants to allow the harming of gay people.
    Most quacks and snakeoil salesmen manage to make some people feel better via the placebo effect of their useless product or therapies, Andrea Minichiello Williams and the “gay cure therapy” she is so enthusiastic about offers it’s victims a product with a nocebo effect, it makes gay people think they are suffering from an illness.
    In medicine, a nocebo (Latin for “I shall harm”)

  28. Let’s set up a Gay to Straight convertion! Who would be your number one ?

  29. Carlos Right 15 Dec 2013, 1:19am

    THANK YOU Andrea for your fight. You are a great example for the new generation!

    1. And you are a shining example of the last generation, and attitudes that are thankfully only the domain of the stupid and uneducated. People are right to laugh at you.

  30. What exactly ARE these ‘back-street remedies’ and what makes them so different to the ‘professional’ conversion therapy that Andrea admires? Let me guess; the former isn’t necessarily delivered from a Biblical perspective?
    Also, when making such broad statements about sexuality, would Ms Williams mind giving her precise sources for this information or is that a little tricky when so much of it is simply her own fundamentalist-bubble beliefs and ideals presented as black and white fact?

  31. HEY matey, we are born this way..being gay does not give you a choice..no cure can work, as it is in our makeup of genetics etc..I can tell a straight person has written this..Y is she straight?? because she too was born that way. she si off her rocker

    1. Christopher Shell 28 Dec 2013, 5:01pm

      Have you ever met a gay baby?
      Or a sexual baby of any description?
      Does Francis Collins head of the Human Genome Project believe in a gay gene? Which way do indentical twins studies point?
      Why are there such marked rises in gay-identification among college-educated girls and urban lads? And among the molested? (all: Laumann 1994)
      Why do Stacey and Biblarz 2001 in a meta-study of 21 papers see a 400+% rise in identifying as lesbian when raised by lesbians?
      Why do Savin-Williams and Ream 2007 find gay identity to be 3-4 times less stable than heterosexual?
      Questions, questions…but it’s the answers that interest us more.

  32. Rudehamster 16 Dec 2013, 5:43pm

    What I don’t get is that even though homophobia is an illegal hate crime, this creature gets away with preaching her venom both here and abroad. Why isn’t she banned from speaking in this Country?

    1. Christopher Shell 28 Dec 2013, 5:21pm

      Because we are still waiting for people to get to the stage where they realise that it is possible to disagree without hating or fearing, and admit that it is inaccurate to classify disagreement as hatred or fear.

      Who’s going to be the first to admit that, in the dictionary and in reality, these are quite different things?

  33. KayoZen 11 Jan, 5:43am

    Christian Concern are only concerned about preying on LGBT people to force us to pray to God their way. They don’t get it that some of us pray to God anyway.

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