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FAQ: Nine things you might want to know about the new equal marriage law in England and Wales

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  1. I hope the ‘conversion’ process is as simple as we are being led to believe but having worked in policy implementation in Government I really can’t see this just being a ‘send in a form’ jobby. Yes, no reason all the details can’t be transferred over but I maintain the stumbling block will always be the registrars name – they may well argue that they did not conduct a marriage and to be honest, sadly they didn’t. Love to be proved wrong but I think this will need an attendance somewhere and a statement read and agreed to by an official.
    Also just thinking – what happens when one wants to convert and one doesn’t, who decides. If it is sending a form off only who checks.
    It just seems strange to me that there will be two categories for us – and yes when we tick the CP box we come out every time and I can’t see ‘straights’ wanting our ‘leftovers’ and the implied connotation associated with CP’s – gay marriage – so another name might appear if the category is offered to straights. mess

    1. Equality Network 13 Dec 2013, 9:24am

      You raise exactly one of the points we’ve been discussing with the Scottish Government, in preparation for equal marriage here. If you can convert your CP simply by sending off a form, with no other checks, then, the Scottish Govt asks, what’s to stop one partner submitting the form without the consent of the other partner (by forging their signature on the form)? Having said that, in a number of other European countries, you can convert simply by sending off a form.

      We still have a way to go here in Scotland before our bill is passed and then more time before it comes into effect, so more time to discuss it!

      1. With 120,000 people already in CP’s – 5 times the Governments highest estimate in 2004 – the work involved in converting them is huge. If it is a form to a centralised location experience in Government tells me this will be very costly and slow.
        I know some will argue ‘why convert’ but we fought hard for this and I think people will go for it. I personally hate having to ‘come out’ again every time I complete a form.
        I also predict that rather than open CP’s to straights the ‘consultation’ will end them altogether and those who chose to remain in them will be left stuck in the equalities evolution timeline.
        Amusing point is that currently civil partners of male peers or knights do not receive a courtesy title to which the spouse of a peer or knight would be entitled that needs to change to be equal and fair. Arise ‘Lady’ Elton when they convert. LOL

  2. We re in a cp and disappointed we must wait so long.

    Relieved we can have a service to convert our cp.

    We’d like to have ours at our quaker meeting house where we went last time after the registry office civil ceremony.

    Dear Stonewall or PN can you help us with any further info ?

    many thanks.

    Btw this list is very helpful l

  3. You should have mentioned that SSM isn’t quite the end of the road to Nirvana – there will still be some Unequal Pensions.

    At present the surviving partner can lose out badly when the other one dies because some pension funds don’t recognise all contributions before 5 December 2005 when CPs started.

    Hopefully this injustice will get sorted out before long.

    1. Equality Network 13 Dec 2013, 9:27am

      As you may know Gerry, the UK Govt are required (by section 16 of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013) to consult and report on this inequality before 1st July next year, and they can then remove the inequality (if they choose to do so) using a statutory instrument, so that no further bill is required. That would cover Scotland as well as England and Wales.

  4. I read on http://outvoyager.com/ that the same-sex marriages will be posible. Nice info for LGBT poeple in England. I’m thinking to get married there now. This article was very helpful.

  5. Thank you – Pink News – for completely ignoring the status of trans people, who still can’t get a GRC without a divorce – it would have been nice if you’d at least mentioned the T in LGB&T!

  6. I think it’s a shame none of the trans issues are mentioned in this article, as they’re important factors (ie they’re pretty much being thrown under the bus in the legislation and we have a long way to go before we have truly equal marriage).

  7. Rev Dwayne Morgan 14 Dec 2013, 12:42am

    If you and your partner would like to get married in a church, Metropolitan Community Church will gladly marry you in our registered church building in Bournemouth. You can contact me at Dwayne@MCCchurch.co.uk or visit our website at http://www.MCCchurch.co.uk

  8. About time this happened really. Despite what the Bible says about one man and one woman tying the knot, I can’t help feeling that gay people should be allowed to marry if they wish.

    1. Frank Boulton 16 Dec 2013, 11:19am

      The Bible says nothing of the sort. Here’s a humorous summary of biblical marriage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw.

      However, had Betty Bowers looked a little closer, she would find that God created one man an two women.

      1. Quite. Polygamy, concubinage, forced marriage of captured enemy women – this ropy ancient book endorses the lot.

  9. What about the continuing discrimination in private survivor pension benefits? What’s the state of the Walker case? Is the government appealing it? Two-thirds of private pension scheme providers discriminate against LGBT – when will this be fixed? I know that nobody else gives a fig about this, but I’ve been campaigning for EQUAL marriage, not ‘nearly’ equal, or ‘almost’ equal, but full equality. In the Walker case his partner was offered £500pa, not the £41,000 due !! And in any relationship … somebody dies first, there is always a survivor.

  10. will the new marriage law/conversion from CP be recognised in other countries?

    1. allancsn 9 Jan, 5:50pm

      Yes because you’ll have a marriage certificate if you convert. Of course it’ll only be recognised in those countries and states that actually recognise same sex marriage. So if your planning a move to the USA whilst federally your marriage will be recognised you best move to a SSM state to make life easier.

  11. Stephen Mole 9 Jan, 6:42pm

    You could have added that until survivor’s pension rights are the same as heteros get, it’s not yet equal marriage. I don’t understand how people let this get through. Here in France marriage is equal in all rights and repcts for straights and gays. Camron has created a sub marriage.

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