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Exclusive: Tory minister Baroness Warsi: I was ‘on the wrong side of history’ on gay rights

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  1. Just as well most civilised people aren’t “Still on a journey” with regards rights of people who don’t happen to have white skin.

    TBH I’m pretty embarrassed to even have to say that. Argh, these people. Equality for some, but not for others, eh.

    1. de Villiers 12 Dec 2013, 3:33pm

      Actually, many people are on a journey and it is honest to acknowledge that ourselves. Still, she did not vote against it and has said that she now supports the law as the Parliament has made it.

      The way to help her on her way in her journey is to extend open hands rather than to make denunciations. Make love not hate.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 12 Dec 2013, 3:48pm

        She supports the law but doesn’t support equal marriage. The marriage bill explicitly states that no religious denomination will be forced to opt in or withhold their beliefs. Some disconnect there. Abstentions are the cowards way out to say no and worrying about (in the case of MPs) if their seat is safe in the next election or in her case, fear of a backlash from Islamic nutters.

      2. I’m not interested in helping her on this journey. Treating GBLT people as equals is a basic standard for human decency. She is not reaching that standard. I won’t “help” her become a reasonable person. I will condemn her for not having the manners I should be able to expect from anyone and shame her for being so stained with bigotry that actually seeing gay people as equals takes a “journey” for her.

        I’m not help her along this path, I will treat her with the contempt she deserves for having to walk it at all; and when she reaches the end I won’t praise her, I will tell her “it’s about damn time you grew up.” Just as I would any adult behaving like a nasty, selfish, bigoted child when they should know better

      3. Or respond to hate with the contempt it deserves – she shows us hate, we show her the contempt she has earned with that hate

        She says she supports it? But didn’t back it. She says pretty words when it’s convenient and she isn’t expected to back them up

    2. jackAlison 16 Dec 2013, 9:21am

      Yes thankyou for that.
      Tinted skin folk like the good baroness have very short memories when it comes to discrimination.
      During the election of President Obama record numbers of black people turned out to vote for Obama in the state of California. Prop 8 to overturn marriage equality was on the same ticket which black ppl. helped support. So yes history making black president but no equal rights for others? Its extraordinary the blindspots ppl. like Warsi have. I have no sympathy for her therapy session and her journey, just utter disgust of someone who does not deserve to hold public office nor her head up high in our Parlaiment. I also think she should stand by her decision and not try and wiggle out of her cowadice and appease anybody. At least have the courage of your convictions and face the music. She cant even do what a joke…Baroness

  2. That’s OK, love I’m still “on a journey” to work out why a hopeless, talent-free, witless waste of carbon atoms like you is in a position of any influence at all.

  3. davevauxhall 12 Dec 2013, 2:05pm

    Not good enough coming from a minister reponsible for human rights. Her stance is as an enthusiastic cheerleader for religious privelege in general and religious exemption from other equality duties and in particular treating LGBT peopel decently.

    1. Well said, Dave.

  4. Pink news loves the homophobic Tories, doesn’t it . Hate gays and you’ll get loads of supportive coverage

  5. Robert in S. Kensington 12 Dec 2013, 2:06pm

    I don’t buy her statement.. The new marriage bill already protects the rights of ALL religious denominations to exercise their beliefs and uphold them. Nobody is forcing them to opt in, how much bloody clearer can it get, Warsi? I suggest she reads the bill again for clarification.

  6. So she admits she was on the wrong side of history in the past – now we all have to wait for her to finish her ‘journey’.

    I wonder why these people can’t learn lessons from the past – you spread anti-gay scaremongering and now admit that you were totally wrong… but THIS anti-gay scaremongering on the other hand…

    1. Looks to me she is still on the wrong side of history !

  7. “as an unelected member of Parliament who doesn’t have a voter mandate”

    If that’s really the way she feels, wouldn’t the principled course of action have been to support the decision of the Commons, which does have a “voter mandate”?

    Though if she doesn’t feel she has enough of a mandate to vote on legislation (even though she regularly does), how does she feel comfortable sitting in Cabinet meetings?

    1. Indeed, shouldn’t she be campaigning for upper chamber reform/abolition.

  8. “Wrong side of history”, pfft – that just means general attitudes changed faster than you did.

    Warsi would do better to worry less about “protecting” the beliefs of various “faiths” (none of which are in any serious jeopardy) and worry more about how and why one can and should define ‘equality’.

  9. CH Brighton 12 Dec 2013, 2:25pm

    She’s just watching her own back. It’s a disgrace that this woman has, by the wave of Dave Cameron’s hand and not by plebiscite, a place in Parliament where she can vote for or veto laws that have an impact on the daily lives of ordinary people. If she was on a journey, then she should have done more homework before the vote. Thank goodness many more of her colleagues were already on the right side of history.

    1. john lyttle 12 Dec 2013, 5:08pm

      And let’s not forget her exercising her human right to massively fiddle her expenses. Always helps to be be able to wag that finger from the moral high ground.

  10. Warsi is extremist scum

    That is how history will remember her (if it remembers her).

    Why is this hateful bigot a minister – she is unelected.

    And why did the organisation ask this vicious bigot to speak about human rights.

    Warsibis evil, extremist scum who belongs in the BNP

    1. de Villiers 12 Dec 2013, 3:37pm

      She has said she now supports the gay marriage so she is hardly extremist scum.

      History is unlikely to remember her as she is merely a minister.

      She is a minister because she was appointed by the prime minister who was elected according to the laws of your country.

      She was asked to talk at this meeting so she could acknowledge her previous error in a spirit of honesty and openness.

      For the above reasons, she does not belong in the BNP whereas you belong in a manger management class.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 12 Dec 2013, 4:05pm

        Just because she goes along with the first marriages on 29th March 2014 doesn’t mean she supports equal marriage. She’s merely respecting the law. Where has she said explicitly that she endorses same-sex marriage? For the past two weeks, she refused to answer that question in several tweets I put to her obviously because of ongoing concerns regarding religious beliefs of others who opposed it. If she’d read the bill thoroughly, she wouldn’t have any reservations or be on a fool’s journey since it’s quite explicit as to religious protections and with no compulsion for any to opt in or compromise their beliefs.

    2. de Villiers 12 Dec 2013, 3:37pm

      She has said she now supports the gay marriage so she is hardly extremist scum.

      History is unlikely to remember her as she is merely a minister.

      She is a minister because she was appointed by the prime minister who was elected according to the laws of your country.

      She was asked to talk at this meeting so she could acknowledge her previous error in a spirit of honesty and openness.

      For the above reasons, she does not belong in the BNP whereas you belong in a anger management class.

      1. She claims support but doesn’t back it with action. She talks about support only after the time has passed when she can do something about it

        PR and word games – from a woman who accused us of being child molestors which, yes, is eliminationist language. She is extremist – she just tried to drive us from society through the law and government and hate mongering

    3. “Extremist”? Get a grip, SteveC. Those creatures who hacked Lee Rigby to death in the street are extremists; Warsi, loathsome as she is in so many ways, can hardly be categorised with people like that. She might have an unstable awareness of what equality means, but she is hardly advocating death or any sort of punishment for gay people.

    4. I agree, she supports the apartheid of LGBT people

  11. Another Cynic 12 Dec 2013, 2:41pm

    I think what is telling is her comment that “Pink News is going to write a nice story about me no matter what”… which shows the agenda of Ben Cohen is to rehabilitate Tory bigots and try and make them appear palatable to us. He’s doing what the Tories in doing in dividing minorities rather than them uniting so gay rights/trans rights/Roma rights/immigrant’s rights are seen as separate things rather than as expressions of human rights which the government want to curtain.

    1. She may have said that with a trace of irony. Neither of us know for sure.

    2. I swear Ben Cohen is a disgrace. This site is one sided Tory loving crap. I have no idea how they sleep at night considering the fact that gay is used a as prjorative is down to clause 28. Apologise all you want I know that kids are being killed because they look gay like damilola Taylor. Pure filth the lot of them

  12. Another Cynic 12 Dec 2013, 2:41pm

    I think what is telling is her comment that “Pink News is going to write a nice story about me no matter what”… which shows the agenda of Ben Cohen is to rehabilitate Tory bigots and try and make them appear palatable to us. He’s doing what the Tories in doing in dividing minorities rather than them uniting so gay rights/trans rights/Roma rights/immigrant’s rights are seen as separate things rather than as expressions of human rights which the government want to curtail.

    1. Benjamin Cohen 12 Dec 2013, 2:47pm

      the comment was directed at Scott, the editor, not me. He asked the question. And no there is no agenda here. We engage with politicians across the spectrum and treat them equally and with respect.

      1. I call bulls*** on this statement.

        This website has a blatantly pro-Tory, pro-religion, pro corporate interest agenda.

        Yesterday you wrote a comment piece condemning the BBC for censuring Graham Norton for wearing a red ribbon. The Tories are instinctively anti BBC.

        Yet some homophobic extremist Baroness Warsi gets lovingly reported on as if it’s perfectly natural that a bigot like her speaks at a human rights event.

        And don’t even start me on the grotesque obsession this site has with religion.

        This is a Tory website.

        1. If you don’t like this website, or its, in my opinion pretty good reporting of LGBT issues, you can read it elsewhere, it’s like reading the telegraph or guardian knowing what viewpoints they espouse and then complaining that you read it.

        2. john lyttle 12 Dec 2013, 5:35pm

          I’m beginning to suspect what the C in SteveC might stand for.

      2. Another Cynic 12 Dec 2013, 5:11pm

        As if Scott doesn’t follow the agenda of the proprietor. It’s like saying the Sun would support a political party other than that Rupert Murdoch wants them too.

  13. PantoHorse 12 Dec 2013, 2:41pm

    You still are, love. If you haven’t been able to get your head around the parity between same sex relationships and opposite sex ones then you’re still not there, are you?

  14. This article raises some questions that need answering.

    Warsi spoke at the BNP Paribas event. This group also sponsored the Pink News Awards.

    And that evil witch Warsi ‘jokingly’ referenced PN at this event.

    Is this an indirect confirmation that PN is a mouth piece for the Tory Party.

    The right wing, pro-religion, pro corporate interest editorial line of this site is very suspicious and always has been.

    If PN is merely a front for Tory bigots then the reason is clear (although it doesn’t explain the illiteracy of the writers)

    1. Benjamin Cohen 12 Dec 2013, 2:49pm

      1) BNP Paribas sponsored a PinkNews event. We don’t need to highlight this but we do because we are always open and honest with our readers. Other publications run paid for content with no disclosures. We were not paid by BNP Paribas but have been in the past so we feel that it is right to disclose this.

      2) We do not have a pro-religion agenda. I am from a Jewish background but I do not necessarily believe in God.

      3) We are not a right wing publication. We actually have an editorial board that we will be announcing shortly with representatives from across the political spectrum.

      4) We are not a front for ‘Tory bigots’. You would only have to look at the articles mocking Norman Tebbit to know that this is not the case!

      1. Don’t insult our intelligence by claiming that mocking a dinosaur like Tebbit proves you are not a front for the Tory party.

        How many articles does this site print which acknowledges the bigotry of the majority of Tory MPs?

        Why are there so many stories celebrating religion on here?

        Why do you condemn the BBC for censuring Graham Norton yet act as if an extremist like Warsi speaking at a human rights event is perfectly natural.

        Claiming to be impartial is simply that – a claim. It is not backed up by the evidence of our own eyes.
        Maybe this site is not officially a front for the Tory Party but that is the clear impression this site is giving.

      2. Yet you do publish a lot of opinion pieces and news about Tory bigots while brushing over their voting records and past actions. It’s rare to see them overtly challenge no matter how shallow the fluff piece

      3. Another Cynic 12 Dec 2013, 5:18pm

        Maybe not a front for the bigots but a tool for rehabilitating the ex-bigots like Cameron, Warsi, etc. Some public condemnation of the voting record of Tory MPs and Peers would be good.
        I’d put good money on Ben Cohen being a Tory MP or Peer by 2015.

      4. You should call this site pink opinion not pink news as you have a bias

    2. Why do you read the articles on this site? You clearly hate it from reading all your other posts. You could just be having a bad week at work or something, but calm down, have a week off reading news, realise that life’s not that bad, then come back in a better mood – and remember, pink news isn’t your enemy.

      Saying PN are pro-religious is the one where everyone knows that you’re losing the plot – PN is almost as anti-religion (as are the majority of comments) as christian concern are anti-gay.

  15. The dear Baroness is on a journey, presently she is still trekking through the backwoods of religious delusion shaking her walking stick at the imaginary threats she thinks she can identify to her imaginary god. She hasn’t got one shred of insight or compassion for the endless harm those delusions are responsible for inflicting on society. Equality Minister?

  16. actually….I rather like the idea of her being on a journey….off you go, dear, bye bye

  17. She didn’t want to open the debate because she knows full well that the debate is bullsh*t.

    There is no disagreement about protecting the rights of religious groups. This has been addressed over and over again. There were already detailed safeguards in place. A Community Center being used as a place of worship is a publicly funded COMMUNITY CENTER. No group using that space has a right to dictate its use.

    No religious group in the UK is being forced to participate in equal marriage ceremonies. This was established right from the start.

    You really want to know the truth? She’s just another spineless and unprincipled politician trying to sit on the fence and going with whatever the most powerful voices in her constituency demand. She is a religious person who refuses to act in accordance with Human rights and equality. She has proven herself to be a bigot in her language in the past, and she is trying to come across as something else now because it no longer wins her support.

    1. Correction, she’s unelected, so basically she conforms to the beliefs of the powerful religious factions in government rather than an electorate. That really just makes her even worse.

    2. Shh. Listen … and you can clearly hear the distinct sound of furious back-peddling. It’s always louder when bigots realise they are out of step with society. They’ll say ANYTHING to keep their cushy job and privilege. (Wasn’t there some scandal about second-homes rents with the lovely baroness .. and didn’t she BEG Cameron to allow her to keep her job?) Oh yes, she really deserves an 11% pay rise. If only she was an elected representative….

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 12 Dec 2013, 3:55pm

        She refused Cameron’s request to carry the legislation in the Lords. Baroness Stowell stepped in and did a brilliant job thankfully. That’s further proof of her disingenuousness as well as cowardice.

  18. Yep – she certainly was on the wrong side of history. But that’s what religious brainwashing does for you. And, if she’s ‘still on a journey’, as a minister responsible for human rights, she wants to catch a faster bus.

    1. john lyttle 12 Dec 2013, 5:04pm

      Always nice to have the support of another minority. You’d think if anyone had a head start in understanding, but hell no.

    2. Mumbo Jumbo 12 Dec 2013, 8:01pm

      “….she wants to catch a faster bus….”

      And sit at the back.

  19. She says now – after the vote on marriage equality has passed and she chose not to vote for it. So now she makes her desperate PR speech when she won’t be expected to back up her words with actions to counter the hate she peddled

    And no, she wasn’t “on the wrong side of history”. She’s a bigot, pure and simple. And she’s “still on a journey” means she’s STILL a bigot

  20. Warsi ““still on a journey”

    Yeah!… well fu*k off and enjoy yourself, stay wherever you are going as long as you like, you won’t be missed by anyone.

  21. Is pink news driving a tory agenda again – what a surprise? What a fake article in which you have to read between the lines. I’ll tolerate homosexuality but its still against my beliefs brigade. What a dreadful waste of space of an interview and I am painfully embarrassed for the Baroness because its just a pathetic view which she has come out with, am cringing for her reading this article!!!

  22. Question for Benjamin Cohen.

    In light of your pearl clutching faux outrage against the BBC yesterday do you think a bigot like Warsi is an appropriate person to talk abour human rights?

    When can we expect a comment piece acknowledging the homophobicbigotry of the majority vof Tory MPs

    1. Another Cynic 12 Dec 2013, 5:15pm

      You won’t get one. Look at the snide article about Chris Bryant so pro-Tory. Cohen is in the pockets of Clegg and Cameron as evidenced by his fawning over them the whole time.

      1. PantoHorse 12 Dec 2013, 5:59pm

        I don’t know if Tory-appeasement is the agenda here, but if one wants to raise one’s profile and power base, then one must consort with those who hold the power.

  23. George Broadhead 12 Dec 2013, 4:17pm

    Why should anyone be surprised at this? She is a Muslim who has made her staunch opposition to secularism very clear.

  24. As others have said, “on a journey” is bullsh!t. She has all the information she needs to choose between civilization and viscous bigotry. She is struggling only with her prejudice versus her career.

  25. What always strikes me about her argument in favour of protecting people’s faith is that she and others like her are only interested in protecting the “right” of people of faith to discriminate and oppress others. There’s remarkably little noise coming from the to protect the religious freedom of groups who want to perform same sex marriages.

  26. john lyttle 12 Dec 2013, 5:03pm

    Still on her journey. Destination: Stupid, capital of Moron.

  27. Although it look like she is moving forward it feels like she is still in the middle ages and we are all in the 21st century ! But i still think she is more of a “polite Bigot” !
    Seems like PR for her, covering her back.

  28. The woman is a joke. She cares only for her place in heaven next to her allah – that is where her allegiance lies … allah only .. not you, not me, allah. And people must realise that is her ultimate decision making factor.
    She needs to be removed from that place … can anyone find out how to start a campaign to get her away from there?

  29. It might just be mere semantic but she said “we were on the wrong side of History”, we representing the conservative party- it is kind of misleading saying that she said “I was on the wrong side of history”
    Ohh well

  30. Well we’re not ‘on a journey’ when it comes to your equality Warsi, most of us have helped to fight against racial abuse, or the abuse of any minority, and that’s why we rise above you.

  31. I’m sure there are racists who are on journeys to understanding their racism, but they are still racist. And Warsi is still a homophobe. She doesn’t support our equality, she goes along with it. How she can have a position in the foreign office is beyond me.

  32. Basically she only feels like on the wrong side of history because of quantum mass of societal support. So basically her principles are based on what is deemed as popular opinion at the time, entirely malleable and insincere. If the general populace did not support equality for lgbt, she would not be using the term, that she is on the wrong side of history.

  33. Clark Downes 12 Dec 2013, 7:33pm

    That’s essentially an incredibly long winded way of saying she’s against it but hey ho its passed and she’s already used up her Tory homophobic points allowance in 2005. So will instead play the PR game.

    As for her slightly racist wording when it came to the “you have the C.O.E” – Im assuming she was talking to a white person, like its the only religious body for England – it’s 2013 Muslims, Hindu’s, Jewish etc all have major collective bodies with a voice. The C.O.E is in no way more connected than they are, simply more traditional.

    Still whilst she’s on this journey she may discover that the party she works for was inherently racist and by no means historically pro multicultural. The sad fact is she’s a token employee in a white male sector, the fact shes outspoken only helps the party gain light on how ‘diverse’ they’ve (not) become.

  34. Colin (Queenstown/London) 12 Dec 2013, 9:11pm

    She is a religious loon. She does not have the intellectual capacity to go into new territory and work for society, not little groups who live in the past.

    To me she should not be in politics and should be sidelined.

    I so think we need a proper intellectual test before people can become MP’s. To me it’s about their wants and less about the big picture of what is best for SOCIETY in a MODERN FORWARD LOOKING WORLD.

  35. Mark in Halifax 12 Dec 2013, 11:22pm

    Faith! It just keeps getting in the way of common sense.

  36. She is not on a journey she just doesn’t want to lose her support from Conservative Muslims! Face the facts! Why does she exist?

  37. Still ‘on a Journey’???

    What does she think her role as Minister of State for Community and social cohesion was… the f**king X-Factor?
    That she could limp through the first few rounds sounding totally off key by putting out a sob story or two about gay people recruiting schoolkids and put in the effort in the final heats.

    Baroness Warsi – it’s a no from us I’m afraid: here were your best bits…

  38. She was taken up by the Tories in a bid to show they were friendly to religious and racial minorities and for no other reason. She is not actually very bright and I suspect she talks in one way to the general public and in another to the imams.

  39. “Speaking at the BNP….”
    Ironic and fitting that she should be speaking at a BNP (paribas) meeting. She sounds very much like the BNP with her bigoted attitude towards equalities for others….unless it’s for Muslims like herself, that is.

  40. iftikhar Ahmad 13 Dec 2013, 6:17pm

    As a true Muslim and believer im condemning this… our religion is flexible enough but no space for such rubbish… there is a detailed chapters in our religion book THE NOBLE QUR’AN in which you will find the story of ” People of LOT” who were involve in the same sin “The Homosexuality”, they all were destroyed b’coz of homosexuality…. Anatomy of anus is not fit for sexual act…. biology. Anus is endodermal in origin so its wound never heals. So, it becomes quite unnatural to get into anus. People find it disgusting to insert and move about the male executive organ into the anus, which serves to discharge the faeces. It’s all right to insert the same organ into the vagina, which serves only to void urine, discharge menstrual blood and various other defilements, and eject the occasional baby followed by the after-birth.There is no place for homosexuality Islam. There is no place for same sex marriage in Islam either. And there is definitely evidence of this ban in the Qur’an.

    1. As a homosexual and not a believer I condemn the fact you call falling in love is rubbish and the fact that not all gay men like anal sex is polar opposite to your point of view . I am not a man and I do not request any part of any penis put inside my vagina thank you very much. Homosexual people accept people have religion but why do people of faith not tolerate same sex relationships? Why? Because they blinded by the truth and fear death. The truth is we are radio active waste delivered from a cosmic big bang billions of years ago. We the planets the stars, the galaxies the anti matter are made up of the same thing, nuclear decay. religion is nothing more than a tool which drives hatred and division let people be and let them live….

    2. As a secular nation, we can tell you to fu*k off with your book and tell you outright that your religious opinions on everything from same sex marriage to abortion is not relevant to our society.
      If you want to live in a society dictated to by religious leaders, move to an Islamic state.

      But you won’t do that, will you, because while you want religious dictatorship here where it suits you, you want the cushy life that you can’t have in a real religious state. You want to pick and choose, have the freedom to vote, the freedom to protest, the freedom to express opinions, the freedom to have healthcare, and the freedom for your daughters to be educated, while demanding that others live according to your rules.

      This is a secular nation, we have Human Rights and equality laws. If you don’t like that, move to a country more suitable.

  41. Frank Boulton 14 Dec 2013, 7:01am

    Her preoccupation with people of faith clearly demonstrates that she still believes that those, who believe in malicious little sprites, still have the right to dictate to others that they may not live with biological reality.

    For one and the same person to hold portfolios for human rights and matters of faith is a major clash of interests. She should be forced to drop one of them, especially as she is obviously more interested in the one than the other,

  42. Warsi is duplicitous in everything she says and does, she is not at all trustworthy, she’s a parasite in other words, only in it for what she can get out of the system for herself, plus she’s an idiot.

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