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  1. His religious beliefs are irrelevant. He offers a service and can’t discriminate on arbitrary criteria. This is no different from a member of the KKK refusing to bake a cake for a “non-white” couple. That kind of racial discrimination cannot be tolerated. Neither can homophobia. That said, gay couple who goes to his store for a cake wants their head testing.

  2. Is ‘thou shalt not make a fancy cake for a gay couple’s nuptials’ the 11th commandment then? Numbskull

  3. Colin (Queenstown/London) 10 Dec 2013, 6:55pm

    For goodness sake….it’s a cake not a political statement. If you choose to service the public then do it with a good heart…all the public. This guy will probably meet the couple twice. Once at taking the order and once at handing it over…….sad and surely by any religious standards going too far. (I hate all religions equally)

  4. When are these ‘good Christians’ going to realise if you operate a business that is available to the wider public then your religious beliefs take a back seat. As a Christian will they refuse to serve Jews, Muslims, divorcees, people who have had abortions? No of course not they treat people like they observe their good book, selectively!

  5. Christians who define themselves by their ability to discriminate against gays and lesbians need to take a good look at themselves.

  6. This guy will be running as a Tea Party candidate for Congress in 3 years.

  7. Idiot. Which part of service provision discrimination is still antigay discrimination does this man not understand? Typical fundie, elevating their unrealistic demands for special rights to untrammelled religious practice above all other human rights and civil liberties.

  8. Idiot he is missing out on so much business. His own bigotry is loosing him money. Hope he is sent to jail vile homophobe

    1. Or he could just…quit his business. He has that right. But he has no place running a business open to the general public when he gets to pick and choose his refusals by learnt identity alone. It’s not like this gay couple walked in and started taking a sledge hammer to the premises. They were gay people who wanted to buy a cake. Make them the cake – you can’t discriminate.

  9. Another brainwashed religious nut job. When are these people going to hurry up and go to meet the maker of whom they are so fond ….?

  10. Looking at his picture, I wouldn’t even buy a scone from him. He looks like a home less oldan who hasn’t washed for weeks.

    1. your comment is an insult to homeless men.

      1. PantoHorse 11 Dec 2013, 6:23pm

        And it’s ageist.

  11. What a truly pathetic little man. I’d be so grateful if he could point me to the Biblical strictures against baking a f***ing cake!

    Verily I say unto you, the stupidity of persons who refer to biblical precedents for marriage is fathomless.

    1. Frank Boulton 13 Dec 2013, 11:22am

      If he wants to be so Bible-observant, then he shouldn’t be baking wedding cakes for anyone. There’s no biblical precedent for wedding cakes at all. To start with there was no icing sugar in biblical times.

  12. Christianity at its best.

  13. Justice is sweet. The judges ruling was like poetry to hear.

  14. As if they will make a martyr of him by sending him to jail anyway. He’ll just get a massive fine and lose his business.

  15. Who asked the baker to change his beliefs? He can believe his customers are doomed to eternal Hell. Nobody has asked him to believe or to say otherwise. Missing from his argument is any citation to scripture where it says don’t bake cakes for people you believe are sinners. Literally, this guy was just using scripture as cover for his rank bigotry.

    1. …..but then, don’t they all? Homophobics will find any possible justification and source of reinforcement for their irrational beliefs.

    2. Unfortunately, almost all Christians I have encountered use their religion as a weapon. But, this is why organized religion exists, to give weak people a sense of power over others.

      It’s clear that the religious are not happy to simply live their lives according to their own rules, they demand that others comply to their rules too. This reeks of desperation for power and control over others.

      This also happens to be why so many slave owners back in the day were Christians. It’s all about domination of others.

  16. First off, I think he is wrong, but we need to look at the wider implications of courts ruling on these type of cases. Cases like this are used as reasons against equal marriage etc. It is used as an excuse that the government of a country is forcing it on the populace. This in turn can change the mind of people on the fence due to the fact government interference is seen as a negative. For the record I am a gay and a legal professional.

    1. ….and an appeaser.

    2. If we allow this sort of nonsense, what’s next? Christians refusing to serve Jews because they believe it was they that killed their saviour? Protestants refusing to serve Catholics? Whites refusing to serve blacks because slavery as condoned in the Bible? ‘Belief’ is not and must never be allowed to be a license to discriminate.

    3. America is but one country which has a significant number of religionists who will not be happy until their country is a theocracy.

      While they seek to impose their views and way of life on others I see them as being no better than the Taliban; their behaviour is demonstrably anti-democratic.

      These Christians take ANY democratic decision by society that rules against their desire for biblical law as an assault on their religion, so yes by all means consider the wider implications, but be clear about the implications of NOT resisting this type of religious bully.

    4. There is something you do not understand.

      Fear is the greatest weapon of all, bar none.

      To live in a state of perpetual fear is the greatest spiritual prison of all. In this the enemy that uses fear has won.

      The ability to disconnect from fear is the greatest counter-weapon.

      Living without fear is the greatest freedom of all.

  17. So now he wants to be a martyr for the Religious Right.

  18. Jen Marcus 11 Dec 2013, 1:52pm

    This guy is clearly nuts! They should actually incarcerate all religious fanatics because all they do is wreak havoc on the world and cause innocent people a lot of pain, misery, even death.

  19. Tom Cotner 11 Dec 2013, 2:15pm

    When the law states that you must serve anyone who enters your premises and wants your services, and you refuse to do it, for whatever reason, you are going against the law. In such case, you should cease giving the service to anyone and go do something else.
    It is as simple as that. It is no different from any other law or regulation. If you do not want to obey it, then go do something else. The law does not force this man to provide service to anyone — but only says that, if he does, he must provide it to all.

  20. ItchycooMark 11 Dec 2013, 2:31pm

    “He believes this is a vocation chosen for him by God, and as a man of God, Jack Phillips lives by certain biblical principles.”
    yep another f**kwit that picks and chooses those principles to suit his diluded sense of importance
    I’d also prefer if he went to jail instead of baking a cake

  21. Fine! If he wants to go to prison then charge him Room & Board on a daily basis!

  22. This man made a wedding cake for a marriage ceremony for two dogs. What does that tell you about his attitude towards gay people?

  23. Brucelaidlaw 11 Dec 2013, 10:27pm

    What’s his address? I’d like to order a cake!

    1. Frank Boulton 13 Dec 2013, 11:33am

      Yeah, does he do mail order? Does he have a website? Let’s all order wedding cakes from him and then when, he’s baked them, we can tell him that they for same-sex wedding.

  24. teddersnyc 12 Dec 2013, 2:41am

    He bakes wedding cakes for a living . . . and he’s heterosexual? Yeah, right.

  25. Good – send the ignorant bigot to a max security prison where he will be buggered to death!

    oohh too extreme – well I won’t apologize my belief system prevents it!

  26. I hope gay couples line up outside, place an order and see what happens. This guy is asking to be taken to the cleaners, I think he should be.

    He’s clearly not a very intelligent man, he’s basically just opened the doors for another legal case if he continues on his fanatical religious “crusade”.

    I can predict that within a couple of months he’ll once again be found refusing customers based on his religious insanity, and within a year he’ll be out of business.

    Good riddance.

  27. “If as a private citizen in business serving the public he refuses to bake a cake for anyone in the L.G.B.T. Community, and say’s he would rather go to prison, he will be making plenty of cakes for the L.G.B.T. Community that live in prison. What mind set does he have to think he has a choice denying anyone in the public cakes they want to order and pay for? Prison Cakes for L.G.B.T. Community sure sounds like this man is either off or has never taken the right prescription medications. Which ever way, who would want to eat a cake he makes to begin with? I as anyone else would feel very concerned about what he puts in any cake he bakes to begin with. If anyone wants a cake for a wedding, what ever event, just go in and order the cake if you never learned how to bake a homemade cake to begin with and ignore announcing it is for who ever it is for. You want a Wedding cake then just walk in and order what cake you want made. You want two men or two women party store sells them.

  28. David Gervais 13 Dec 2013, 6:23pm

    Just a note about US law: He can’t be jailed for discrimination, only fined, with a rather low maximum at that. This is just another example of the political use by the religious of falsehoods to rile up their base. See: “Thou shalt not bear false witness”

  29. He’s so far gone nothign will change these type of people. their ideas are frozen due to pride and avoidance of anything that might change them

    I told the woman -forget her name – who is secy to the USA conference of catholic bisops, in MD a couple years ago that gay marriage would happen. she trotted away as fast as she could

    Similar resultes with other right wing people who testified at the MD legislature.

  30. It is his business, he should have the right to serve who he wants. I would not choose to shop in a store that was not gay friendly.

    1. bobbleobble 15 Dec 2013, 10:43am

      He still has to obey the law, whether that’s about health and safety or about non-discrimination. The state of Colorado has decided that it is harmful to society to allow people to discriminate in the provision of goods and services and thus it is illegal. Just as he cannot put poison in his cakes or operate in a dirty kitchen without repercussion so he cannot turn away people for criteria such as sexuality, race or gender. If he doesn’t like that then he has the right to close up shop. And if he does his job in a professional manner as he should then you’d never know he wasn’t gay friendly.

  31. Put the clown in jain where he can spend his time playing hide the soap.

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