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US preacher Rick Warren compares the ‘redefinition of marriage’ to George Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four

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  1. “Don’t take a term and make it something different”
    What a sick, bad, cool, wicked comment.

    1. Nigel Dolwin 8 Dec 2013, 1:41pm

      And yet, they do exactly that on a daily basis with regards to ‘interpreting’ their “holy” book. It beggars belief that they don’t see the stupidity of their own argument. Talk about clutching at straws…

  2. He “…referred to the concept of “words meaning the exact opposite of what they used to mean.”

    Is that because wherever marriage equality has already been introduced then opposite sex couples have no longer been permitted to get married and any wedded heterosexual couples marriages have been annulled?
    If true it’s an absolute disgrace (lol)

    1. Frank Boulton 10 Dec 2013, 4:23pm

      Yes, Pavlos, using a term to mean the opposite of its usual meaning is the “doublethink” to which Warren seems to be referring. It’s like when those opposed to marriage equality give themselves names like “Protect Marriage”. You see, in there “doublethink” minds, “protect” means the same as what “prevent” means to the rest of us. One promotes something by preventing it. Is this what psychiatrists call living in “an alternative reality”?

  3. Well, if anyone should know “doublespeak” (or doublethink, or Newspeak), it’s Rick Warren.

  4. Warren is yet another “will hate anyone and anything for money” con artist. Not so much controversial as entirely confidence trickster. He is a typical “pastor” out to fleece the gullible with the good old welcome hate sold by the minute preaching of the buy-bull. He should be prosecuted and jailed for fraud like the rest of his kind.

  5. Wiccetrix 8 Dec 2013, 1:11pm

    How does he imagine that “marriage” in a Lesbian context is the opposite of”marriage” in any heterosexual context? Does he know what “opposite” means? He should be defrocked for mental incompetence.

    Zebras are judged to be the gayest mammals. Merkins have lots of cows (for all those steaks and burgers consumed by rich & poor respectively) and cows do quite a bit of Lesbian activity. Has he seen cows? Are these all unnatural?

  6. Robert in S. Kensington 8 Dec 2013, 1:28pm

    Oh come on, Piers, Warren is a ‘great’ man? Exactly how? Same-sex marriage hasn’t redefined marriage at all, merely expanded it to include a group of people. It doesn’t change his marriage or anybody else’s in any way shape or form. If it has, then they need to come forward with the evidence. The last major redefinition if one could call it that was when civil marriage was introduced by the secular state to allow divorced people and those with no religious beliefs to remarry. There was no such thing as civil marriage in the bible either.

    1. In the US, more recently marriage was “redefined” to strike down any laws forbitting “mixed race” marriage. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia) I wonder if Warren opposes that “redefinition”?

    2. In the 1990s in the UK marriage was also redefined to stop men being able to rape women with impunity – a much more radical redefinition in its impact on heterosexuals than the same sex legislation….To be consistent in opposing ‘marriage redefinition’ Warren would doubtless oppose that that….

    3. Frank Boulton 10 Dec 2013, 4:35pm

      I usually agree with what you write, Robert, but I think that an important point needs clarifying here. Same-sex marriage has neither redefined marriage nor extended marriage to a group for whom it wasn’t formerly available. Same-sex marriage has restored marriage to what it was before Judaism, Christianity and Islam redefined it. Most of the world seemed to practice homosexual marriage and heterosexual marriage until same-sex marriage and the cultures, which practiced it, were brutally suppressed by Christianity and Islam. It is, therefore, Warren and his ilk, who redefined marriage. We have merely restored it to its original meaning.

  7. Here’s a couple more Orwellian terms for Warren. The Religion of Love, which preaches hate. And the Religion of Peace, which murders apostates.

    1. “there’s an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever ’til the end of time! But He loves you.” – George Carlin

  8. Helge Vladimir Tiller 8 Dec 2013, 1:57pm

    I do not need to make a comment here. For sure, I will agree with all the others ! THANK YOU , dear friends and “colleagues” !

  9. How is allowing same sex couples to marry the opposite of marriage?

    Interesting that another Orwellian term ‘sexcrime’ is what we’ve convicted of by the ‘Ministry of Love’ until recently.

    George Orwell would be turning in his grave if he knew this brainless bigot was using his literature to try justify ‘sexcrime’.

  10. He’s the 6th largest mega-church pastor in the US.

  11. Quite amazing that a US Evangelical pastor would be worried about “redefining” of marriage. He seems quite happy with his redefinition of marriage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw). If, as he states, his opposition to same sex marriage is due to the fact that fears the disapproval of his god over the disapproval of society or another person, then the answer is simply for him not to marry someone of the same sex.

    1. Frank Boulton 10 Dec 2013, 5:06pm

      Oh, wow, thanks for the link. Betty Bowers is fabulous. I’ve never known rationality to be so deliciously humorous.

  12. “Don’t take a term and make it something different,”

    Makes me think of the “loving” and “merciful” execution of witches, Jews, and other such undesirables during the dark and middle ages.

  13. It is interesting that Mr. Warren can achieve such prominence in conservative religious circles while knowing so little. Apparently he hasn’t even read the Wikipedia entry on marriage. For example, was it a distortion of the meaning of marriage when the wife ceased becoming the husband’s property upon marriage (at least in certain societies)? He seems to have no clue how broad the term ‘marriage’ has always been.

  14. Why is this a story? He’s an f’ing snake oil salesman whose followers carry the mark of the sheep! We need to start ignoring the con artists.

  15. The opposite of “marriage” is “divorce” and the opposite of “married” is “single” and remains so.
    Seeing as Rick Warren says “Don’t take a term and make it something different.” … then perhaps he should take his own advice.

  16. Remember, marriage should be between a man and his wife … and his mistress … and an occasional hooker or two … possibly ending in divorce — you know, the traditional way as God intended it to be.

    I always have to heave a sigh and roll my eyes whenever self-proclaimed Christians indignantly declare that gay marriage defies “the word of God”. This argument is both cowardly and disingenuous — using biased interpretations of cherry-picked biblical passages to justify their brand of social intolerance and religious self-righteousness.

    Traditional marriage as described in the Old Testament would advocate the keeping of multiple wives, as well as a few concubines on the side. In other words, the Western definition and accepted aspects of marriage has evolved over time … and it will continue to evolve as we become a more enlightened society.

    1. Frank Boulton 10 Dec 2013, 5:23pm

      There’s scant evidence for marriage of any kind in the OT. Adam and Eve weren’t married. Biblical Hebrew seldom differentiated between “woman” and “wife”. Most of the patriarchs and matriarchs just shacked up together. Jacob’s wedding celebrations with Leah and Rachel were pagan events put on by his uncle Laban. Gee, have I stumbled on another paradox? Marriage and fornication are the same thing?

  17. God-delusional nut job. Best ignored.

    1. REligion and god is a farce to fleece the fools of their money AND THEIR MIND

  18. onesecond 8 Dec 2013, 6:18pm

    I am really sick of these evil men who want to harm others rights and play the victim card all the time. You are not the victims. You are the villains.

  19. PantoHorse 8 Dec 2013, 7:07pm

    “Don’t take a term and make it something different,” he said.

    Odd how when it’s a word like gay being used to describe things negatively we’re told to get over it and suck it up. One rule for you and another for everyone else again, eh Warren?

  20. this religious hack is a waste of space…PERIOD!
    http://www.getoffmydress.blogspot.com/2013/12/as-eyelash-curls.html

  21. Warren is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! Let’s change back to BIBLICAL MARRIAGE!

    http://bobcargill.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/biblical-marriage.jpg

  22. If anyone should know “doublespeak” (or doublethink, or Newspeak), it’s Rick Warren. After all, he is a good example of where “Chrisitan love” actually means “Chrisitan hate”!

  23. John Clark 8 Dec 2013, 10:08pm

    “I Want a Marriage Like They Had in the Bible” by Roy Zimmerman.

    1. That was great, thanks for the link John.

  24. Andrew Dobbin 9 Dec 2013, 12:10am

    There is no antonym to “equal”.

    That’s all this is about.

    I’m sick of saying this rubbish

    1. Wiccetrix 9 Dec 2013, 1:00am

      Unequal!

  25. Why don’t LGBTHINQ folk just ditch religions that offend them? Sombunall Unitarian churches have rainbow flags on display. Sombunall Pagan groups are accepting. Many priests are gay but hide it or suppress it.

    This is part of my previous censored post.
    Apparently LGBTHINQ people are very sensitive about Abramic religions, even though they are a major source of pain and harm to them.

  26. Well, at least Rick Warren has read one book other than the Bible, or maybe he’s just read key notes on each of them as he doesn’t seem to have a very good grasp of either.

  27. Mark 4369 9 Dec 2013, 3:29am

    He’s a big headed, bigoted buffoon who makes me sick every time I see him on TV

    1. What an offensive piece of anti-gay garbage your site.
      “You can be in a gay relationship as long as you don’t have gay sex”.
      We’ve heard your celibacy garbage before. You just prove once again that gay ppl should leave religion

  28. The idea that equality laws victimise Christians freedom of religion because these laws prevent Christians from discriminating against and victimising LGBT’s. ..
    This is the true doublespeak and doublethink of anti-gay prejudice

  29. The suicide of his 27 year old son, Matthew Warren, is still a mystery. Rick claims his son suffered from being mentally ill and depressed.

    Is it a coincidence that at least a third of suicides are usually young males raised in unsupportive, often religious, families who claim their son was depressed? [http://www.livescience.com/8734-gay-teen-suicide-epidemic.html]

  30. Tom Cotner 9 Dec 2013, 3:50pm

    This man is a typical US politician (yes, I realize he claims to be a minister of Christ), who takes the standard political terms designed to stir up his political base and attempts to use them as fact.
    I am not aware of anyone who is attempting to “redefine” marriage. Expanding civil marriage to include all citizens is not a redefinition — merely an expansion.
    What this bozo is doing, however, is attempting to “redefine” the gospel. Not succeeding, in my book.

    1. Since when did ‘religion’ own the copyright on marriage? Marriage should have nothing whatsoever to do with religion. It should be a civil contract. If two married people then want to go through some arcane religious ceremony, that’s fine with me. Simply because religious people say marriage is ‘traditional’ doesn’t make it right. Slavery was traditional. Should we bring it back? A union between two people who love each other should never again be the preserve of ‘faith’. To say that it should is outrageous and insulting to those of us who do not believe in munbo-jumbo.

    2. Frank Boulton 10 Dec 2013, 5:42pm

      Tom, you may be interested in my post above about who’s redefining marriage.

      Truth, when people want to hold on to tradition, let’s remember that they’re omitting the word “my” or “our”. They want to preserve “my tradition” or “our tradition” and “f**k everybody else’s traditions”/

  31. Rick Warren needs to go learn the meaning of “perfect love casts out all fear”, then he wouldn’t need to fear God’s disapproval anymore and we wouldn’t be burdened with his drivel.

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