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Scotland: Independent Celebrants put forward recommended equal marriage bill amendment

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  1. I think this is a good idea. It will give people more options about getting married and let them really personalise ceremonies.
    It will also be a further blow to the homophobic churches who think they own marriage.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 3 Dec 2013, 10:21pm

      Far better than what our bill will offer south of the border, Bennie. Only buildings can be registered and registrars permitted to marry us as well as clergy of willing denominations. Humanist weddings will be prohibited too. In time I think Westminster will have to allow humanist weddings to take place, which means English and Welsh humanist couples will have to travel to Scotland just like their straight counterparts. Ridiculous and offensive in my opinion. Our bill is deeply flawed.

      1. Humanist celebrants can already marry mixed sex couples in Scotland, that’s been the case for a few years now. So I assume that’s why humanist celebrants are already included in the Scottish bill – to ban them from doing same sex marriages when they can already do mixed sex ones wouldn’t have been a good decision. This new proposal takes it one step further, if it’s accepted, by allowing individual celebrants who aren’t part of any group to carry out marriages.

        Can humanists carry out mixed sex marriages in England & Wales? If not, then that’s obviously why they haven’t been included in the English/Welsh same sex marriage laws. The government can’t be seen to give the gays extra rights, can they! If they can perform mixed sex ceremonies, then surely not allowing them to carry out same sex marriages is discrimination and possibly illegal?

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 4 Dec 2013, 11:47am

          Bennie, humanist weddings in England and Wales are prohibited but it was raised several times during committee hearings and in third reading in the Commons. The government gave assurances in both Houses that it would review the situation, same for straight CPs but such reviews won’t happen until we start marrying. It makes no sense for such reviews after the law has taken effect. As I said in my prior statement, we have this bizarre situation in England and Wales that only buildings other than places of worship are licenced for weddings and only individuals such as registrars and clergy who wish to participate. In addition to humanist weddings, I think we should also allow Justices of the Peace and Judges to perform wedding ceremonies. It’s far too limited right now.

          In 2011, I attended a same-sex wedding in New York. The celebrant was a friend of the couple who obtained a certificate from some organisation within days and was able to legally marry the couple..

          1. Yes, I agree. It would make sense to widen the pool of people who can officiate at marriage ceremonies and CP’s. It would give people more choice about the type of ceremony they want, and as I said earlier, it would further loosen this belief that churches somehow own marriage, which in the long run can only benefit society.

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