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Irish Prime Minister Enda Kenny: I will support and fight for equal marriage

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  1. ‘Despite opinion polls showing a three-to-one majority in favour of marriage equality’
    That’s a pleasant surprise. Given the fact that Ireland is quite a bit more religious than the rest of the UK, although I heard that that is changing.
    I also think that with Scotland and England & Wales legalizing it, might give the Irish that bit more reassurance into doing the right thing.
    Good luck, Ireland.
    As far as I’m aware there’s only Australia and Ireland now behind in the English speaking world. Plus many non-English speaking nations are on the ball, too. Progress, bit by bit.

    1. It’s true that there are fewer religious people in Ireland these days, but I think a bigger factor in this shift is that a lot of those who are still religious have had their trust in the Church utterly shattered by scandal after scandal. Attendance at mass is down, and an increasing number of those who still go now want the priest to just say mass and keep his opinions to himself. They simply don’t trust what the Church tells them anymore, though they remain devoted to Jesus. So we’re seeing a lot of people learning to trust their own hearts instead of what the local priest tells them.
      Many Irish people are actually attempting to save what is left of their faith by cutting the Church out of it like a gangrenous limb. I’m not Christian myself, but I see it happening all around me in friends and family. The clergy have always been middlemen between Jesus and the faithful, and Irish Christians are starting to wonder if they need a middleman at all.

      1. Colin (London) 6 Nov 2013, 2:33am

        Thanks for your insight.
        I am not religious but my parents are catholic living in Scotland. They have the same opinion as you and tell me they only go to catch up with friends they have known over the years.

        I’m delighted. I want religion in all it’s forms off this planet.

    2. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK , It’s shocking that so many brits are ignorant of their close neighbours jurisdiction.

      1. On the other hand – rapture- that hotbed of homophobic discrimination- namely Ulster- IS!!!

        1. Actually Ulster isn’t part of the UK either! The province of Ulster contains several counties part of the ROI (eg Donegal). Northern Ireland is part of the UK.

    3. Yes you’ll beat us by 1 year regarding marriage equality due to us having a written constitution that can only be changed by the people.

      Interesting how little our friends on the neighbouring island know about us – the little they do know seems stuck in the past. Ireland left the UK in 1922!

      FYI, Ireland had non-discrimination laws and an equal age of consent before the UK – perhaps our moves on those issues gave you a little bit more reassurance to follow our lead :-)

    4. I believe it was non English speaking countries – Belgium and the Netherlands – who were the first to introduce full equality laws about a decade ago… Current belgian PM is openly gay also… Hats off to the Low Countries and their longstanding tradition of tolerance and effective equality campaigners. Ireland can learn something from their experience rather than from the uk/us inward looking anglophone world

  2. SteveC is yet to comment with his usual rant about ‘plan b’ and how disgusting this referendum is.

  3. Ta dah.

    Here I am.

    Ireland is a country where civil and human rights are no absolute.

    The government admits that the referendum may fail but there is no plan B.

    If Ireland votes no on this then I hope there are riots.

    the reality that equality is up for debate in Ireland is an extremely chilling idea.

    Why are the LGBT community accepting this referendum with no plan B except 2nd class citizenship for 30 years if it fails.

    The Irish constitution is clearly a deeply flawed document if it allows human rights to be determined by the mob.

    I think we can all agree on that.

    1. Helen in Ireland 6 Nov 2013, 2:00pm

      Steve – as it has been explained before, the constitution does not say ‘man and woman’ but Supreme Court interpretations have strongly inferred this. An affirmative referendum will give no chance to the anti-equality side to fight this through the courts, which straightforward legislation would.

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