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Brazil: Proposed bill would allow church to discriminate against gay couples

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  1. This should be perfectly acceptable – don’t force your religion on me, and I won’t force it on you. A church is not a public organization and its beliefs should not be governed by another.

  2. Even if I were straight I wouldn’t have any interest in marrying in a church. I’d prefer to keep away from bigoted and superstitious organisations. So yeah no big loss there!

  3. Religions shouldn’t be forced to do what’s against their (generally idiotic) ethos. One the state offers civil equality who cares what these bigoted institutions do. If it’s not gays they hate, it’s women or the divorced or the people living “in sin”

  4. Sounds like this commission needs to be reformed without it’s chief bigot in charge. Whilst I appreciate that the bill is intended to protect churches (like in most country’s) that do not wish to marry gay couples, the fact is that they where also willing to push through a bill that would allow psychiatrists to treat homosexuality as a disease says it all really.

  5. Colin (London) 17 Oct 2013, 11:41pm

    To me the state comes first as it has a responsibility to all. Religious groups are that…just groups. Keep them away from the state and make sure the players in the state do not participate in religion.

  6. floridahank 18 Oct 2013, 1:29am

    Since everybody has proposed a separation of state and church I see no problem or reason to try to mix the two in this situation

  7. I think that it is perfectly fine for a particular religious building to say no. As long as GLBTI people can be married in the eyes of the law, that is what is important. Besides, why would you want to marry in a venue that doesn’t recognise your marriage? They will loose out on the GLBTI money – I am sure other venues will be happy to welcome us! :)

  8. I left Brazil 13 years ago, one of the reasons was because of the evangelists and I can tell you something, I’ve been back there on holiday 5 times in 13 years and from that land i don’t even want the dust, i clean my feet when I get on the plane and I am happy I live in England. I wouldn’t live in Brazil again, tha people can keep their religions, and their violence.
    The only thing I miss from that country are my parents and family, the rest I don’t really care.
    I know some of you will disagree with my comment but i lived there and i know what happens to gay people.
    I’m a happy person living in a great place which is England and I want to die in this country.

    1. Colin (London) 18 Oct 2013, 8:24am

      I feel for you Cel.

      I love Brazil as a tourist and the people are just lovely. I am not religious. You must miss your family terribly. Are you all great dancers! People just walked up to us and grabbed us dancing the night away and practicing english. They asked if we liked their country. So many good memories.

      You reminded me that we gay people are so lucky to live in Britain. It is not perfect and we have many fronts to fight on but I’m proud to be British. Every happiness

      1. Hi Colin.
        I’m quite lucky to have parents who are loving people and they always supported me and they love my husband as well, we’ve been together for 7 years and there are some aspects of Brazil I miss a lot, one of the things i miss is how friendly most of the people are. I see my every 1 and 1/2 year as the come on holiday often. I know what you mean by loving being on holiday in Brazil. When I moved out I was very angry with te country and the religious groups, I can say I am still agry bu hopefully this will be forgotten one day and I can forgive my own country. I have a great life in England, I’m maried, I have a job and a great husband (who deals quite well with the my latino temper). Brazilians are going the wrong way on most things, specially the religious groups because they will not be nice to you unless you follow their rules, and I can tell you they are most horrible people, 2 of what so called God’s preatcher’s have been arrested this year for rape and the poor people still give them most of their salary and they live in poverty while the “preatchers” spend teir holiday in new york. There was another case of a twin brothers who were hugging each other and one of them got a shot in the head and died because the so called god’s followers thought they were gay. I’m afraid to go to my own country, being from a wealthy family makes a bit easier but anyway, I much rather be here.
        Have a good day mate.

        1. Sorry about the spelling mistakes….i can spell, I’m being naughty because I’m at work

  9. Should we really be tolerating the religious belief being used as some kind of shield for bigotry? Religious belief is really nothing more or less than than an opinion. There are white people in this country (UK) who hate black people. They hold that belief with every bit as much passion as someone who believes in the a particular brand of the supernatural. Yet I have never heard anyone saying “we should allow these people to enforce their racists views and refuse services to black people – after all, it’s what they believe”. Why does religion get special exemption for encouraging bad behaviour?

  10. Jock S. Trap 18 Oct 2013, 12:16pm

    Ah Bless… they need to be special because they are Soooooo insecure with themselves. They clearly need to be above any laws of the land…

    What a load of cobblers. I hope the Brazilian Parliament doesn’t give in to then.

  11. When was a church forced to provide a service against their beliefs in Brazil, for instance has a RCC been compelled to marry a divorcee against their doctrine – no, never.
    Given where and WHO this is coming from I would be very suspicious that this is not what it seems! Beware of the religious fanatic claiming exemption from the laws others are to live by, This is unnecessary, unless it is more than it seems!

  12. Benjamin Bee 18 Oct 2013, 1:51pm

    From Brazil

    This Human Rights and Minorities Commission is actually completely formed by fundamentalists. Other deputies of this commission, democrats, got off in protest as soon as it’s president assumed. Those deputies who remain in the commission are all of them christian fundamentalists. They also are racists and sexists beyond being homotransphobics.

    So, they will finish their mandate at the end of this year. Then, we hope the Commission will get back to normality. We’ve been fighting against their insistent bigotry during all the year, and we have won till now.

    We shall be in alert state until there.

  13. I’m all for it. Let churches marginalise themselves out of existence. By excluding certain sections of society, they are showing how divisive and discriminatory they are. The VAST majority of younger people just don’t (a) get their attitude and (b) have much better things to do than sit in old buildings being berated by old, male spinsters babbling on about ‘sin’. So, I would do what the UK has done and specifically BAR churches from getting involved. If they want to take their ball home – let them. But they must not be allowed back in to it when they get lonely.

  14. …I believe it’s about time ‘GOD’ took a back seat. We’re hearing far too much of outdated ethics from the Church for one and people ought to understand that you are a coward if you go along with it…

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