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  1. They should all refuse and state that unless they are invited to a Pride event where the police protect the participants from neo-nazis then they are not interested.

    Actually a repeal of the fascist law would be better.

  2. Russia is not actually like Nazi Germany shock!

  3. This sounds all too like someone, after making a racist comment saying, I’m not racist as I know lots of black people.

  4. There’s more to gay rights than a few bars, and why wouldn’t he go?

    1. He doesn’t want to go because people at the bar would recognize him.

      1. Mark Cross 2 Oct 2013, 12:43am


  5. Robert in S. Kensington 1 Oct 2013, 3:02pm

    Does this delusional loon really believe straight MEPs will take up his offer? Sounds rather desperate and futile to me.

  6. That There Other David 1 Oct 2013, 3:19pm

    So as long as there are gay bars then it’s OK if the police stand by and watch gay people be assaulted right in front of them? Or that it’s acceptable for gay people to be labelled paedophiles by all state institutions, because at least those gay people can have a drink occasionally?

    What planet does this man live on? Doesn’t sound like there’s anyone human there.

    1. My ex got brutally attacked outside of Liverpool’s gay bars, as did a policeman a week later. I don’t really see how the existence of gay bars that have been forged out of necessity and sexual apartheid are in any way an indication that a country is “accepting” of LGBT people.

      “Come and look at these ghettos that were forged out of discrimination and marginalization, see how we haven’t burnt them down? That means we love them!!!”

  7. Quote: “Whilst it is true the law does not ban gay bars – campaigners note that there has been an increase in violence and state persecution against LGBT people in Russia following the passing of the law”.
    What did they expect? State sanctioned discrimination OF ANY KIND will be viewed by the mindless as a licence to take the law into their own hands. That is PRECISELY what ‘equlaity’ legislation attempts to redress. If dictarors target scapegoats, you can’t be surprised when they get kicked … or worse.

  8. Strongfemme 1 Oct 2013, 3:41pm

    To The Speaker of The Russian Parliament these laws are contrary to The Declaration of Human Rights! therefore, I’ll decline the invatation.

  9. Go by all means, but whilst we were in St Petersburg, the local gay bar was taken over by plain-clothed police and many men inside were beaten unmercifully.
    Our guide said that this sort of thing was happening all the time – and this was two years ago.
    St Petersburg is absolutely wonderful, so it is with a heavy heart that I won’t be returning until this dreadful anti-gay attitude has gone once and for all.
    And I’m wondering – if you invite someone for tea, the host would be expected to be there.
    Maybe he’s afraid of being recognised!

    1. Tom in Lazybrook 2 Oct 2013, 8:55am

      I suggest we start our Russian tour there. And even if the clown from the Russian government isn’t there, lets invite the media and we can discuss the police raid and police inaction to the crime.

  10. Rubbish there is no freedom of speech for gay people, nothing positive is allowed to be said about homosexuality or being gay as it is defined as gay propaganda.
    The anti-gay law is based upon nonsense and needs to be strongly challenged and opposed with legitimate evidenced information.
    Gay people with children are terrified their families will be broken up and their children will be taken into care, gay people can be c=sacked from their jobs just for being gay. There is no freedom or security for gay people in Russia.

  11. Danny Boyd 1 Oct 2013, 3:55pm

    Don’t you just love the term ‘non-traditional’? It’s the new way of saying ‘not normal’. How far back do you have to go for something to be ‘non-traditional’? Sodom & Gomorrah happened a very long time ago which you’d think would make the relationships traditional enough…

  12. “Many German cities including Berlin have synagogue where visitors “have a very good time,” he said, stressing he had not been to one himself but heard “eyewitness testimony” to that effect. – Gebels replied.”

    1. Has anyone seen Shindlers List, and remember the scene where the Red Cross and the League of Nations are invited to a “model Jewish village”.
      I really don’t like this comparison, but it’s SO striking. “”Come and see, we really treat or “non-traditional people” really well”” there is no discrimination here in Russia, look! no problems.”
      How stupid do these fascist bigots think people are?

      1. That scene has been repeated in different Holocaust documentaries. Wasn’t the Red Cross involved in the inspection/deception also? It may have been in the BBC/Warner Home Video “The Nazis. A Warning From History.”

        That deception came to my mind immediately when I started reading this article.

  13. Colin (London) 1 Oct 2013, 4:11pm

    What will going to a bar show them?

    We are talking about self worth, human spirit that in childhood is so easily damaged or inspired. This is about allowing people to be what they are as part of a changing growing inclusive society.

    Russia in each classroom you have 1 or 2 gay children who you seek to deny them freedom of choice and use religion to justify being backward based on stories written 1000s years ago, embellished out of all proportions to help control nations.

    You show the world you are backward…basic human rights are sweeping this planet at last. I now meet well balanced gay people at every level in society. My straight neighbours and I meet in a shared garden and I play with their kids as they rest. That simple act of neighbours, straight and gay looking after each other.

    You have far to go Russia in your thinking but there are many of us who would help with love in our hearts as others allowed us our human rights to marriage recently.

    How can you stand by

    1. Colin (London 1 Oct 2013, 4:18pm

      and watch youtube your youth being beaten, blackmailed, killed, abused by colleagues and family and your Parliament and Churches promote this.

      Mr Naryshkin why not come to London and meet both straight and gay youth, families, businesses and politicians and let them talk to you about what it means to them and how it was hard for the UK to change but we are pretty much there for the major things at least.

      6% of the world is gay (UN) 420m people…one and a half times the pop of Europe and yet Russia is in denial and I just don’t understand why. How can a gay person or persons be a threat.

      Come to London or USA and embrace another way of looking at gayness.

      1. colin (London) 1 Oct 2013, 4:36pm

        Actually there are many countries to choose from

  14. old school KGB trick ..”come look how happy our people our under Stailn ” cut to grim faced Russians playing the part of happy citizens in fear of their lives .” Same scenario in 2013 just replace Putin for Stalin .

  15. Rubbish. It will be like a North Korea tourist trip.

    “I’ll tell the police and local thugs to ignore a select few gay bars for a while. I’ll let you go to those ones.”

    Indicative of nothing but the lengths that Russian politicians will go to in order to believe their own propaganda.

  16. Benjamin Bee 1 Oct 2013, 5:37pm

    It’s not ONLY a matter of the existence of gay ghettos. The matter is the homotransphobic Mizulina Law that creates gay ghettos.

  17. George Broadhead 1 Oct 2013, 6:09pm

    I suppose Sergei Naryshkin must disagree with President Vladimir Putin’s statement:

    ”We note that many Euro-Atlantic countries have practically betrayed their roots, including the values of Christianity which were essential for the Western civilization. Moral principles together with any traditional identity (national, cultural, confessional or even juridical) are being denied. The policy that puts on a par a large family and gay partnerships, belief in God and in Satan worship are being enforced there”.

    1. Beelzeebub 1 Oct 2013, 9:23pm

      Christianity was never the Euro countries roots.

      It was no different from Islam or Judaism.

      Poisons spread from the middle east.

    2. Dave North 1 Oct 2013, 9:25pm

      Rather that than vigilantes raping children with bottles.

  18. Alternatively they could invite them to the funerals of the hunted gay teens to see that Russia is in fact NOT very accepting. They can also invite them to talk to the 400 “anti-pedophilia” groups who entrap and hunt gay people like a safari.

    1. Dave North 1 Oct 2013, 9:20pm

      And all sanctioned and applauded by the authorities.

      Barbarians all.

  19. “Visit, but don’t TALK to any of the patrons! We’ll choose who you can interview.”

    I would also point out that the most homophobic countries in the world have gay bars. When England and the United States were extremely anti-gay (1940’s/50’s/60’s) they had gay bars. Let’s not forget that STONEWALL was a gay bar in a very homophobic country in a very homophobic city.

  20. “Come along and see our gay bars in Russia, we will even provide you an escort of Vladimir’s’ ex colleagues so you do not get mistaken for these people.
    Sorry I cannot come I have a prior engagement.”

  21. Tom in Lazybrook 2 Oct 2013, 8:48am

    I think we should accept. We should start at the Gay Bar in St Petersburg that was invaded by pistol packing policemen last year (no prosecutions) who beat up patrons for the fun of it. Then we should go to Moscow and go to the Gay Bar that was invaded by thugs because they held a private Coming Out Day party. Then – on to Novosibirsk, where we’ll attend a private screening of Gay films (non-porn) at the same venue where the patrons were attacked in full view of the police (who did nothing). Then on to Rostov, where a Gay bar was closed because it hosted a Gay band from Ukraine. Lets go. Invite this clown to come along with.

    1. Colin (London) 2 Oct 2013, 8:58am

      Well put Tom…..wish your post was near the top…made me think.

    2. Sergei from Russia 5 Oct 2013, 9:51pm

      I’ve also instantly recalled the Coming Out Day pogrom story when reading about Naryshkin’s “assurances”. Did not know about other stories, though—thanks for recap.

      I’m so glad that our “authorities” are no longer able to fool you and other Europeans. That’s really great. I hope that you will also understand how important it is to freeze their bank accounts in Europe, so that Europe is no longer a safe haven for these dangerous loons.

  22. He didn’t speak in the european parliament, he spoke in the parliamentary assembley of council of europe. He invited the MPs present, not MEPs since they aren’t members

  23. If western MEPs are in a Gay venue, it is far far less likely to be raided… and of course an awful lot of people in the “Russia”n Federation have never had any contact with gay or LGBT people and not been through the process that took 40 years in the “west” in settled democracies.

    I would like to make sure we remember all the perfectly decent Russians who even without that kind of contact are not only LGBTfriendly but actively support our LGBT sisters and brothers, like the heterosexuals who attended a lesbian wedding in Syktyvkar, like the parents on IDAHO demos, like heterosexual kids who undertook one person Day of Silence protests in schools in remote parts of the Russian Federation, like the guy I came out to in Donetsk (at the far end of Ukraine) whose eyes did boggle a bit but after a few moments to process and some encouraging smiles, put his big Russian arms around this British lesbian and was delighted for us to take a photo together with his Russian and my rainbow flag.

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