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Judge rules that New Jersey must allow gay couples to marry

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  1. A civil right acknowledged cannot be revoked – that’s why Prop H8 was declared unconstitutional.

  2. Christie is an arch opportunist who would probably like to move away from the wingnut fringe of the GOP – especially if he wants a run at POTUS in 2016. This gives him the perfect out, if he wants to take it, he could say it would be a waste of state funds to appeal, shrug it off and say “not my fault, the courts did it” and both keep his hands “clean” (in the eyes of the wingnuts) and win points in the eyes of moderate and swing voters by not being obstructionist to something that is recognised as inevitable.

    Time will tell which play he will make on this, and it will very much indicate his personal ambitions rather more than a commitment to equality.

    1. Interesting post – thank you.
      Christie has always struck me as a relatively sane republican and he must certainly distance himself from the GOP loons if he wants a stab at the White House. His veto probably reflects a fear of alienating some of his current support base but he must prise himself away from them if he aims for the purple!

  3. Snow White 27 Sep 2013, 9:40pm

    13 States with gay marriage, Welcome number 14 !!!

    1. Is it 14 or 15?

      As of August 2013, thirteen state governments (those of Massachusetts, California, Connecticut, Iowa, Vermont, New Hampshire, New York, Maine, Maryland, Washington, Delaware, Rhode Island and Minnesota), along with the District of Columbia,


      the Coquille Indian Tribe, the Suquamish tribe, the Little Traverse Bay Bands of Odawa Indians, the Pokagon Band of Potawatomi Indians, the Iipay Nation of Santa Ysabel, and the Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation issue same-sex marriage licenses.

      District of Columbia is treated separately, so they say it’s 13 + DC. So is this 14 + DC ?

      1. I think the tribes have their own special sovereignty under U.S. law. If I recall correctly, they can manage their own marriage customs, but only within their tribe.

  4. Some states are stuck in the 1950s, some, … well, perhaps are stuck in a time much earlier than that. Some might even still think the Civil War isn’t over. Some people have lives … so uninteresting .. so devoid of anything to live for that the latch on to religion, try to control the lives of others. Perhaps they think that if you can control a thing it cannot hurt you, which is both paranoid and delusional.

    But for voters I think many, perhaps most, now think that in areas like this trying to deprive others of equal justice and equality is not only immoral and unfair, but pure discrimination with no objective validity. Most NJ voters won’t have any problem with equal marriage and Christie will have a better chance of being re-elected if he stops opposing this. He’s already banned conversion therapy for minors, and acknowledged he doesn’t believe people ‘chose’ to be gay, so on what basis is his opposition to equal rights? Most Catholics support equal marriage.

    1. Agree that some states will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the C21st by their hair – And it doesn’t take much to guess which ones.

      I’ve read that the electorate in NJ is polling at 60% or so favourable to marriage equality. Given that Christie wants it on a ballot, suggests another attempt to take the decision out of his own hands rather than represent the electorate and do the right thing.

      This is a man with his eyes in a POTUS run – and, like most of the right, couldn’t be less suited to it.

      1. The funny thing is, Christie is relatively more qualified than most other Republicans today, in part because he has relatively more support from moderates, etc. But that same moderation would also make him impossible to nominate in today’s national GOP, which tends to favor uncompromising ideological purism. Mathematically, it makes them nationally unelectable unless they cheat (gerrymandering, etc.), which works in the House of Representatives but not so well in the Senate or the Presidency. But the GOP don’t believe in math or science anymore anyway.

  5. Christie is a large tub of catholic lard. He is yet another Republican opportunist thumping the religious drum and keeping time with the haters marching backwards. The Courts will make them dance to an entirely different tune, it’s called Equality regardless of religion.

  6. Robert in S. Kensington 28 Sep 2013, 1:39pm

    Christie may appear as one of the saner republicans but make no mistake, as much as he loathes the Teaparty scum, these are the people he is playing to by threatening yet another veto. It just gives him cover even though sucking up to Obama during the Hurricane Sandy debacle didn’t sit too well with the putrid bigots and freaks of Teabagistan.

    He’s going to appeal to the Supreme Court with this one, but my gut feeling is that he will lose. That same Supreme Court ruled during the Civil Union debate that gay couples should enjoy the same rights as married couples, be it via marriage or civil unions. With two republicans maybe more now prepared to back equal marriage, I very much doubt he will win his appeal.

  7. floridahank 28 Sep 2013, 3:22pm

    The article says, “Back in February, Democrats in the New Jersey legislature said they would attempt to override Governor Chris Christie’s equal marriage veto from last year, and have now agreed to put the question of marriage equality to voters in November, if they cannot override it”

    .The voters in NJ. will definitely agree to Christie’s override of the equal marriage proposition. The majority of voters in New Jersey still have principles and common sense.

    1. So sayeth the hateful troll from the sunshine state. Mr Hanky the ever open gob for his imaginary sky daddy jeb-us with a buy-bull jammed up his ass crack. Seeing losers like you are getting smacked in the ass State by State as the force of equality grows just makes me jump for joy.

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