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Catholic League President: Abusive priests aren’t paedophiles, they’re just gay

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  1. Paula Thomas 20 Sep 2013, 6:47pm

    No, they are pedophiles. But maybe your church’s attitude to sex is a large part of the problem.

    1. Maybe you could explain Jamie Rennie of LGBT Youth fame who was part of the biggest paedo ring uncovered in this country.What was his attitude to sex ? – he had a boyfriend , picked up contacts from toilet scrawlings on walls – campaigned against ‘homophobia’ , campaigned for ‘gay’ adoption , raped a 4 month baby boy and shared the images with his homosexual peer group , wanted to adopt a kid with down syndrome to abuse etc .

      Lets remember too the links between the Gay Liberation front and the Paedophile Information Exchange …Harriet Harman etc

      1. Maybe you could explain Fred West then, Ray? He was heterosexual and therefore you, according to your own formula and purportedly heterosexual, are responsible for his behaviour. Or Jimmy Savile, if you prefer – perhaps he’s more your sort?

      2. Jock S. Trap 21 Sep 2013, 10:40am

        It is sick to separate abuse and somehow make on sex worse than another.

        It rather shows you embarrassing state of mind.

        ALL child abuse is wrong, no matter who the abuser is.

        By separating abuse/rape by gender you excuse one and not the other and in the process insult and shame the child abused.

        Why would you do that, just to enable your ‘pride’?

      3. Are you his boyfriend or something? You are ALWAYS harping on about one guy who nobody else remembers.

    2. Actually he’s half right. In the case of sexual abuse of a post-pubescent child the proper word isn’t paedophilia, it’s hebephilia. Maybe he got confused because “hebephilia” and “homosexuality” both start with an H?

  2. So raping post-pubescent boys is just fine then? Is that really the argument here? “Oh they aren’t raping children, their are raping teenagers!”

    Phew. That’s alright then.

    1. thanks – I had absolutely no idea what he was trying to say and why (although I knew his intentions wouldn’t be nice)

      but you’ve summed up what he seems to be saying exactly

    2. Well said. And another aspect that seems to be missed quite often, is it’s not just their ages in question. These priests are clearly abusing their position of power. Had these priests just being ‘ordinary men’ (which they are to me, but obviously not to Catholics) then I wonder just how many of their young victims would stay quiet? These men have a lot of (ill deserved) respect in their community, and I don’t doubt that a lot of their victims would worry about their complaints being taken seriously. More so in the past when it was still pretty much taboo to even speak about paedophilia in the Catholic church, where today it’s pretty much common knowledge that there’s a big problem with it.

      1. Even legal aged lower down priests in the Catholic church of Scotland, where hushed by the seniority and position of power that the former archbishop O’brian had, when he was blackmailing them into sexual acts.

    3. Criminal Code: Sexual relations and other action of a sexual nature with a person under the age of SIXTEEN (16), Chapter 18, Article 134
      Sexual intercourse, buggery ['muzhelozhstvo'] or lesbianism, committed by a person over 18 on a person admittedly UNDER 14 is punishable by limitation of freedom up to three years or deprivation of freedom up to four years [R1.2].

      And the Homo-lobby call this sensible Russian law ‘homophobic’ and are campaigning against it along with the usual crowd who support sex with children (Fry, Tatchell etc ) .You could not make it up !

      1. You made it up. Who is this ‘homo lobby’?

        1. It’s between the bisexual porch and the heterosexual corridor, I think. But I don’t think Ray is terribly good at reading plans of any sort.

    4. ‘The positive nature of some child-adult sexual relationships is not confined to non-Western cultures. Several of my friends – gay and straight, male and female – had sex with adults from the ages of nine to 13. None feel they were abused. All say it was their conscious choice and gave them great joy’ : Peter Tatchell defending a book called ‘Boy Love’

      Peter seems to think it’s just fine for adults to have sex with children as young as 9 .I don’t .

      1. Neither do I or most people I know, regardless of sexual orientation. Your attempt to equate being gay with abusing children and adolescents is bigoted rubbish supported by strawman arguments. Sod off, Ray, and take your nasty religion with you.

  3. Michael Barber 20 Sep 2013, 6:56pm

    These Catholic priests,nuns, bishops and cardinals all are Agents of a Foreign Power. They should be stripped of citizenship and renditioned to the Vatican where they belong.

  4. The Catholic church has a problem with language. And paedophilia. Mainly paedophilia, actually.

  5. Well if you want to get technical it’s ephebophilia, but whatever you call it, it’s rape of people under the age of consent and is equally wrong regardless of gender.

  6. Err NO! Billy boy , if you have sex with a minor in the U.S. i.e someone under the age of consent , no matter if he’s got hair on his balls it’s called Statutory Rape

  7. why on earth is the catholic league listed as a civil rights organisation in the US

    is that because they represent people’s rights to use contraception, to have an abortion, to be gay, to be a choirboy without being abused – that kind of thing?

    1. I think the designation is an error at PinkNews. At least I hope so.

      (I’ve never before seen the Catholic League called a civil rights organization, to the best of my memory.)

    2. It is part of the full title of the organisation, and is probably also part of their compliance with the Non-Profit Organisation tax code – such organisations have to be shown serving some sort of “public good” (I forget the exact phrasing). It’s a nonsense term for them, but it does give them advantageous tax benefits…

  8. And this is why the drivel from the jerk in the hat was a meaningless sop and why I laughed at the fools falling for it.

    We all know this particular man is talking complete and utter bilge. All he is doiing is wrapping himself in the creepy mantle of the church so he can stick his pudgy hand out for donations.

    Grifter, liar, fool.

  9. “When men have sex with adolescent men…”

    Adolescent men…Is this guy making up his own language as he goes along?

    “If a man has sex with a man what would you call that?”

    Personally I would call it a bloody good time (so long as it was consensual).

    I know I should be offended by his comments but they are so utterly stupid I can’t take them seriously.

    1. “Adolescent men” would be priceless if it weren’t so poisonous in this particular context.

      The tragic thing is that probably none of this tragic creep’s supporters would have the courage (or the insight) to point this out.

  10. Mumbo Jumbo 20 Sep 2013, 7:46pm

    To get the facts straight, according to survivors groups, about 40% of their victims were girls.

    1. No doubt he will blame the bisexual priests for that.

    2. Am I right in thinking that they also had more access to boys than to girls?

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Sep 2013, 12:07pm

        Most definitely, Sophie. See my comment below. Even the Vatican has conceded the points made in that report which is why Donohue is now back-tracking on what he’d been ranting about prior to its publication. If more girls had been molested, religious bigots like him wouldn’t have sensationalised it or denigrated the sexuality of the perpetrators. You rarely ever read or hear derogatory comments about the sexuality of an heterosexual sex offender, not even a rapist’s sexual orientation is scrutinised in the same manner. It’s all part of veiled homophobia, the sort of thing the Daily Mail thrives on.

    3. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Sep 2013, 12:01pm

      Exactly right, but he dismisses it and instead concentrates on the male only molestation while insisting that paedophilia = homosexuality that has been debunked by some of the world’s most prestigious psychiatric and psychological associations. American sex crime statistics indicate that the preponderance of paedophile crimes are committed by heterosexuals (per capita).

  11. Robert in S. Kensington 20 Sep 2013, 7:51pm

    This adulterous bigot is a liar. He claimed at the outbreak of the molestation scandal that homosexuality = paedophilia, but never conceded that there was a considerable number of priests who molested underage girls. According to a report requested by the Roman cult in America conducted by the John Jay Institute, the report concluded that the reason why the molestation against underage males was higher was that clergy had far more excess to them than girls. Just because a male molests an underage male doesn’t necessarily follow that the perpetrator is gay either. As a sociologist, he should know better.

    1. Clerical abusers had more “access” to boys than to girls

  12. This guy needs to open a dictionary and look up the difference between ‘homosexuality’ and ‘paedophilia’ the differences are quite clearly stated.

  13. What a freaking idiot! Reality and fact have clearly passed this fool by.

    Let’s see how long it is before he is involved in a sex scandal. You just know it’s bound to happen and I for one can’t wait to see him fall.

  14. Unlike his nonsense rambling, I have a very accurate definition of people like him – Religious Extremists.

    Those who are religious, and those who are extreme in their beliefs, are RELIGIOUS EXTREMISTS.

    This buffoon is no better than a member of the Taliban.

    It’s about time the general public stopped pandering to these abusive, mentally defective, hypocritical bible-thumpers and started promoting the SECULARISM of our society.

    1. I agree he’s an idiot. But he’s not quite as bad as the taliban, as they would kill you if you were gay.

      1. Jon Parker 21 Sep 2013, 4:05am

        I have no doubt that Donohue would if he could. He’s a pimple on the ass of humanity.

  15. so mr bill donohue, which one are you, gay or paedophile? after all it takes one to know one

  16. It seems worrying that the man in the article doesn’t know the difference between being gay and a pedo. Perhaps the authorities should take a closer look at his private life.

    And yes, catholics are obsessed with homosexuality and abortion. But pink news are obsessed with anti-US stories and anti-christian stories.

    Why not write an equal amount of stories about the other religions which treat us far worse than christianis? I guess they’re more difficult to copy and paste.

    1. “pink news are obsessed with anti-US stories and anti-christian stories.””
      Given that so many Christian leaders make their homophobic views public, it’s hardly surprising to find those stories covered on a GLBT news website. Is it not?
      What? You think they should ignore the news to suit your particular dogmatic views?
      Maybe you don’t mind the homophobic nature of Christianity, but the rest of us would like to know about it.
      If that’s ‘anti-Christian’, then maybe Christian leaders shouldn’t be quite so openly homophobic. If it wasn’t gay-related, it wouldn’t be featured. So you have to ask yourself, why are, what you consider why ‘anti Christian’ stories, are often featured on here. The problem lies with the homophobic Christians, not the news site reporting on it.

  17. So I guess that means Catholic clergy who rape and torture young girls are just straight.

  18. And therein lies the problem with the church when they talk about child abuse, people like this idiot failing to acknowledge the truth of the situation and spouting unfounded rubbish. The vast majority of abuse is about power and control not sexual gratification. Male adults who abuse male children rarely identify as gay, the significant majority consider themselves straight and would never touch a ‘man’. The research and findings in this regard are overwhelming. Acknowledging this would not support the churches homophobes though of course would it.

  19. Paul Essex/London 20 Sep 2013, 9:56pm

    So according to Mr Donohue 78% of boys abused by the 81% men (apparently the other 19% exclusively abused girls), were post-pubescent.

    Boys usually complete puberty between the ages of 15-17. According to a survey completed by the US Conference of Catholic Bishops in 2002 73.3% of abused boys were under 15 and only 26.7% were 15-17, of which it’s likely that AT LEAST a third would not have been post-pubescent.

    Of those abused boys who were post-pubescent how likely is it that their abusers exclusively abused post-pubescents?

    It’s the ignorance (and denial) of Donohue et al of what paedophilia is and the type of people who commit it that is the reason why paedophilia has (and probably still is) so prevalent in the Catholic Church.

  20. Denis from Ottawa 20 Sep 2013, 10:03pm

    The Catholic Leadership is in denial again. Even if post-pubescent, sex with an adolescent below the age of legal consent by a person in authority is rape by a pedophile in my books. It is wrong.

  21. Christopher Coleman 20 Sep 2013, 10:07pm

    The Catholic Church is suffering from all the bad press it has received over the last ten years and from the loss of members in some traditionally Catholic countries. The increased tolerance for LGBT people in very Catholic countries like Spain is also difficult for them to accept. So, they are doing what people in trouble always do: attempt to move the spotlight onto someone else. Now they will find themselves in even greater difficulty with the Pope suggesting more openness to the opinions of gays and women.

  22. What a vile pig of a man. So we are all kiddy fiddlers in his mind. I have children that I love very much, how dare he say such a thing.

    The walking bag of sick, I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire. I am so sick of these evil creatures coming out with rubbish like this.

    It’s because of filth like this that my own mother asked me if I was a pedophile when I came out.

    1. Yes, and the same lies are being told by those in positions of power and influence in Russia and in numerous countries in Africa, trying to besmirch ordinary gay people. Often by officers of this same evil church, and the Orthodox churches. Have none of them any integrity and shame for the evil they spread; which can put peoples lives at risk from the easily led, prejudiced and ignorant.

  23. What ever this deluded fool wants to call it, It is abuse of a position of trust.

    Certainly a large number of the abuse victims by catholic priests were on the cusp of puberty 12, 13 year old,
    also many of their victims were over puberty, but still immature and easily influenced, bullied or groomed into the liaison and were also under the age of sexual consent, (in most western countries – 15 or 16 year old).
    Also, In many countries, adults with influence over young people, such as priests, teachers, lecturers at college, doctors, counsellors, and such, commit a criminal offence if such a partner is under 18 years and they, the older partner, is in a “position of trust” or influence over them.
    Either way it is abuse ! and is illegal.

  24. Enough with trying to equate paedophilia with being gay. This is a silly as equating rapists with heterosexuality.

  25. Political correctness means that the rare cases of clerical sexual abuse reported in the news do not report it as homosexual abuse – most victims are past puberty and male , therefore not children .The same demographic age the homo-lobby always want to include when they campaign to lower the age of consent (Tatchell et al)

    ‘In the same period in which about 100 American priests were convicted for sexually abusing minors, the number of gym teachers and coaches of junior sporting teams – also mainly married – who were convicted of the same crimes in the US reached about 6,000. The examples could continue, not only in the US. And above all, according to regular US government reports, two-thirds of sexual abuse against minors does not come from strangers or educators – including priests and Protestant pastors – but from family members: stepfathers, uncles, cousins, brothers and, unfortunately, even parents. Similar facts exist for numerous other countries’.

    1. most victims are past puberty and male

      Oh hello Ray, back yet again commenting on a gay news website (while your family’s asleep perhaps, since – of course – you’ll have a family, and a loving one needless to say?).

      You appear to assume some degree of expertise and specialist knowledge in this field so naturally we await, with bated breath, the list of your sources for your claims – obviously you wouldn’t be stupid enough to make claims without documentary evidence, would you?

    2. @ Ray You write like a severely closeted self loather who is getting off on what he has written – you pathetic excuse for a human being!

  26. “Not abusive, just gay?”.

    No, they are morons. LIke Bill Donohue.

  27. He is describing ephebophilia. It is the sexual desire for post-pubescent young people that are usually fully capable of sexual intercourse and procreation.On the other hand, pedophilia is the sexual attraction to pre-pubescent (small) children. Prior to the mid to late-1800s and on backwards throughout the course of time, it was considered normal and acceptable for post pubescent individuals to have relationships and thus expectations to marry each other as well as even marrying to older adults. Ephebophilia was cherished and embraced by ancient Greece. In retrospect, it depends on the era and time to whether Ephebophilia was acceptable and condoned or not. On the other hand and to my knowledge, pedophilia has never been acceptable.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia

  28. “…US civil rights organisations…”

    Who writes this crap? The Catholic League is a Southern Poverty Law Center certified HATE GROUP. How do they get labeled a civil rights organisation?

  29. Bill Donohue is a plank and now everyone knows it. Should have kept his gob shut.

  30. GulliverUK 21 Sep 2013, 4:26am

    Same line Donohue has been pushing for years, distraction, deflection, diversion tactics. I was surprised that the Catholic League, a very hostile anti-gay hate group if ever there was, isn’t yet listed in SPLC’s list.

    Donohue has always been an abusive arsehole, he just can’t help himself. I’m afraid that rather than respond to the dope I simply ignore deranged made-up views like him, preferring fact over fiction. Her is simply Linda Harvey in male form.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Sep 2013, 12:16pm

      He’s a grifterand doesn’t even have official sanctioning of his church and is not a spokesperson for it either. He gets a lot of donations that have made him quite wealthy, a millionaire in fact. His hate league has net assets of about $30 million. He’s also his own watch dog to make sure that accuracy in reporting about anything to do with his cult is upheld and goes after celebrities and the media for anything he considers to be offensive or insulting. He also claims there’s a conspiracy by ‘liberals’ to bring down the RCC. Another little gem is he’s a divorced man and is in his second marriage and an ardent anti equal marriage supporter.

  31. Just another smokescreen. It’s just another nasty attempt to tar gay men with the same brush as those that molest young people. And the old piece of nasty false propaganda that all gay men are paedophiles is conveyed. About par for the course with religionists. These lies are compounded by where this abuse is coming from in this case – inside the church. Not that telling the truth ever was the churches strong suit.

    But chickens are coming home to roost for these guys. The more they lie and hide the truth about their abuse,the less people will come under their thrall. Interesting to see the collapse in the influence of the Catholic church on the government of Eire in recent years, for example.

  32. Bill Donohue is entitled to his own opinions but not to his own facts and his own unique definitions.

  33. How does raping a 13 yr old boy turn into ‘men who have sex with men’?

    Any Catholic can tell you this is largely about enforced celibacy and long periods spent with altar boys.

  34. Jock S. Trap 21 Sep 2013, 10:35am

    It’s time we had our ability to sue these kinds of bigots. They serve no purpose other than to degrade and demean us.

    Just as they fight for their right to say it we should have to dispute and correct this assumed myths.

    When we have campaigns such as “It Only Gets Better” how are these people helpful?

    It is time these people’s lies were held to account AND show the rest of the bigots that misguided misinformation, deformation and slander should be challenged and stopped.

    No if, no buts… sue!

  35. captain proton 21 Sep 2013, 1:31pm

    Actually the term is ephebophilia

  36. Regardless of age, evil is the abuse of power, control and trust. It is merely easier for the cowardice to prey upon children, especially if they can be gradually “groomed” over a period of time. This is why about half of sexual abuse is within the home, half by a known adult outside of the home, and a small fraction is “stranger danger”. The strange man with the candy is rare, usually sociopathic. Oddly, the abusers within the home don’t think themselves as sick as the ones outside, and the abusers outside of the home (priests, coaches, etc) think the family abusers are the sick ones. Sadly, the ones within the family do not get reported nearly as often because the child doesn’t want to get their family member in trouble, internalizing it for the rest of their life. All of these children may consider suicide if their limited knowledge of the world doesn’t have a solution to seek help; feeling “trapped”. If you add bullying to any of these children, it multiplies the unrelenting pain.

  37. Godric Godricson 21 Sep 2013, 2:36pm

    Same old same old. What else would Catholics say? Catholics are complicit in the abuse of children when they do nothing

  38. floridahank 21 Sep 2013, 6:23pm

    When a person does a deep, serious study of the RC religion and what true Christianity is, it’s apparent that RC is not a fundamental Christian church. They have all types of mystical beliefs and celebrations that are not accepted by true Christianity. We consider the RC priests and teachers as cultists and false doctrines. The Vatican is one of the biggest corrupt and materialistic organizations worldwide. They hide billions of $$$ worth of religious objects and never let the public see them — they are very selfish and love $$$ before anything.

  39. Don’t call this virulently anti-gay group a ‘civil rights organization.’ It’s not! This man is consumed with hatred for GLBT. ‘Obsessed’ would be a stronger word. His life is spent doing whatever he can to battle GLBT equality, and he puts his nasty ‘religious’ spin on it, always.
    A civil rights organization? Never!

  40. Why is it that, to a Catholic, gay sex is perfectly acceptable ONLY if the recipient is [a] underage and [b] un-consenting and the perpetrator has been bullied for decades into denial,celibacy and self loathing [ No I'm Not excusing paedophilia ] but allowing consenting Adults who are in Love with each other to marry and form a family will ‘destroy the human race’? [What does two and two make, Winston?]. Maybe every Catholic should be required to undergo counselling as they all seem to have serious cognitive dissonance

  41. Correct me if I’m wrong but going on how peadophilia is defined as an orientation of sorts, you can’t have a “gay pedophile” or a “straight pedophile” you can only have “a pedophile”

    Pedophiles are attracted to kids regardless of their sex, right? Aren’t boys and girls pretty much identical as children anyway, physically and psychologically speaking?

  42. PeterinSydney 22 Sep 2013, 4:17am

    Read the Pope’s interview, you nasty gay hating old phoney.

    1. You are so right in your comments, they seem to have over looked the Popes comments, but then that will just leave them in the wilderness.

  43. floridahank 24 Sep 2013, 1:22am

    There is mass confusion in the RC Church as well as with Donohue.

    Just to get some clarity, are there homosexual priests who are pedophiles and are there pedophile priests who are homosexuals?

    I’d like to know if the APA addresses the possibility that these are 2 different deviant behaviors and if they deserve different behavioral labels in their Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders

  44. This man is showing the world just what religion is. FILTH

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