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    1. David Jordan 19 Sep 2013, 8:48pm

      Its all PR bull from the pope, he says a bunch of flowery nonsense that boils down to business as usual but the straights clap and say he’s so wonderful and forward thinking while at the same time his bishops promote straight supremacism and his agents run money to anti-gay groups and politicians.

      1. I am not very trusting of Catholic Clergy either but for me the jury is still out on this one.

        The Pope’s message was interesting. He seemed to be saying ‘for goodness sake shut up’ to the conservatives in the church & was spot on in analysis that using the same old tired talking points is now toxic to the survival of the church. Also the hypocrisy of cherry picking the ‘sins’. It is hard to argue against the Pope’s insight. The reality is that organisation is in trouble due to the two previous Popes wrecking the brand. Painful as that process was to all of us.

        My popal gaydar does not pick up gay vibes with this one, not like Rattzinger, who under the gowns, was indisputably a screaming queen. Ironically if true that Francis does not share our orientation then that could actually be good news for us. It has become apparent that the greatest threat to achieving equality is self-loathing homosexuals in positions of power. They are the worst.

  1. I guess he didn’t get the memo from the Pope then. Anyone actually surprised by this? Or by the tyrannical instinct of the religious to enforce their dogma on others?

    What a sick joke the cultists are…

  2. keith francis farrell 19 Sep 2013, 5:18pm

    I wish the bloody Catholic church would stay out of politics. All they ever preach is hate and murder, I wonder which god they are following.
    We are all equal and should have equal rights. maybe if the Catholic church started cleaning up its act and sent all the child molesters to the gallows, then we would think they are worthy of having an input to our politics. In the mean time I consider them a hate group and they should pay tax

    1. I agree except they are so bad at politics that it has actually speed up their demise.

      I have actually come to enjoy when a Cardinal gets into Politics cause they always end up looking like a fool.

      Apart from a few lost souls, few people take them seriously anymore. They have lost all credibility – even amongst a lot of their followers.

      Look at how Francis is scrambling to stop even more decline. it will be interesting to see whether or not the strategy he is attempting is ‘too little to late’.

  3. … and on what grounds does he call for a halt? Oh yes! A religious ‘belief’. Well look, Bish; if you and your sheep don’t want to marry someone of the same sex – don’t. But for f**ks sake keep your unwarranted intrusion out of the lives of the vast majority of citizens who are so sick and tired of your constant bleating about the subject. In fact – obey your boss (the pope) who has today told catholics to shut the f**k up on the matter. At least HE realises you are talking yourselves down the toilet of bigotry.

  4. So because he claims hetero marriages and families fail he wants to stop other people in love from marrying and having families with a married couple at the head? Idiot and homophobe

  5. Robert in S. Kensington 19 Sep 2013, 5:51pm

    Moratorium my arse! It’s the same crap we heard from the Catholic and Anglican loons in the UK during our own debate. Moratorium is code for delaying it permanently to give them time to foment resistance and homophobia. The cries of a desperate cult in the throes of slow extinction as evidenced by the fake conciliatory tone of their leader in the Vatican earlier. A morally bankrupt cult.

  6. Robert in S. Kensington 19 Sep 2013, 5:53pm

    The sheer arrogance of this loon speaking for the Australian people? Since when? Was he ever elected? ‘STFU, Archbigot!

    1. Sandgroper 20 Sep 2013, 8:23am

      Spot on Robert. He has NO jurisdiction in the affairs of government – his jurisdiction is in the pulpit of the Catholic Church only. Furthermore he cannot claim public jurisdiction because NOBODY is asking him to marry same sex couples.

      1. I agree with all you say.

        Except he knows he has a sympathetic ear in that the newly elected Australian Prime Minister is a devote conservative Catholic.

        1. I forgot to add – it the same old Catholic modus operandi. When they know they have lost the argument they then introduce a strategy of sabotage. I suspect that is what he is aiming for.

  7. Why’s this man given a position of privilege? The only thing that separate’s him from any other religious cleric is the name he chooses to call his imaginary friend.
    What nonsense.

    1. Totally correct, Mike UK! But isn’t that the same with the WHOLE of organized religion? The problem stems from human psychology. If I put on a silly frock and a big hat and call myself ‘The Most Reverend …’ people will give me ‘respect’. If I put on a white coat, enter a hospital and call myself ‘Doctor’, people will also give me respect. The ‘deference’ we afford these tosspots is what gives them their authority. The answer is simple: stop the deference – stop their authority. Ridicule and resistance is a useful tactic. Certainly, that’s been my mission over the past few years …. :)

  8. Perhaps _he_ needs time to calm down.

    But LGBT people don’t. We have waited too long already.

    “For years now I have heard the word “Wait!”… This “wait” has almost always meant “never.” We must come to see with the distinguished jurist of yesterday that “justice too long delayed is justice denied.”
    MLK, 1963

  9. So an Italian Religious institution (The Vatican) is telling the Australian government how to act…sweet!

    Why not just resurrect Mussolini and launch an invasion of the Pacific Rim?

    1. Christopher Coleman 19 Sep 2013, 6:31pm

      The Vatican is not an Italian religious institution, and Roman Catholicism is not an Italian religion. The Vatican is an independent city state that happens to be situated in Italy, like San Marino. There are other tiny independent states dotted around Europe, such as Andorra and Monaco.

      1. David Jordan 19 Sep 2013, 8:53pm

        If any other state interfered in the internal politics of another to the scale the Vatican does, its agents would be arrested and charged with election, campaigning and voter fraud or corruption of a public official, if not out right espionage.

        1. Christopher Coleman 20 Sep 2013, 5:20pm

          Then we should require our legislative bodies to keep the Vatican in its place. It is clearly nonsense for it to be an independent state and also the functioning center of a world religion.

  10. Benjamin King 19 Sep 2013, 6:18pm

    The “Good” Bishop should be careful, his prejudice is showing.

    “so that we, over the next period of time, can discuss this in a more reasoned way”

    That’s a very unusual choice of words, giving absolutely no impression how long he thinks would be “reasonable”, of course we can read between the lines to discern what he really wants.

    “The Catholic Church’s teaching on the matter is that homosexual acts are never approved of, but persons who are of homosexual orientation, that a great deal of compassion and understanding should be shown to them.”

    In other words, “hate the sin, love the sinner”.

    Blatantly prejudiced, and not the least bit interested in an actual reasoned and logical debate. Yet another in a long line of disappointing representatives of the Catholic faith.

  11. Christopher Coleman 19 Sep 2013, 6:20pm

    If the churches want to be active in politics, let them. However, they must pay their full membership dues. That means paying taxes, no privileges, and being compelled to enter all debates armed with facts, not beliefs, and certainly no more hiding behind God. If they want to encourage their members to take positions against other groups (most recently the Mormons in Hawaii) then they must be prepared to have their opponents lobby against their freedoms. In short, they will have to survive all the abuse that is hurled about in the real world.

  12. No one needs to discuss anything with you!!! The Catholic Church is not the government of Australia. Leave us the hell alone! BTW, nice pink dress you’re sporting

  13. Colin (London) 19 Sep 2013, 6:55pm

    Get religion off the bloody planet please….and the stupid pink dresses.

    Nothing good about the catholics – nothing

    1. Less than nothing. Even nothing is nice by comparison.

  14. “traditional,” heterosexual marriage needed protection,”

    It cannot be what it is cracked up to be if it is so fragile and in need of special defence. Shouldn’t he lead by example and marry a woman?

    Is he really saying this is top of his agenda in a new job?

    What a bunch of deluded hypocrites.

  15. That There Other David 19 Sep 2013, 9:39pm

    Same old blah blah blah from the Men in Purple. Considering they couldn’t prevent marriage equality in super-Catholic nations like Brazil and Argentina their chances in Oz don’t look good.

  16. Separation of church and state. How fricking hard is this to comprehend? We do not live in a theocracy.

  17. I neither want or need your compassion and understanding, and I want a moratorium on chubby men wearing pink beanies.

  18. Chewie Smith 20 Sep 2013, 5:51am

    “We’ve had 2000 years ” Yes and they performed same sex Marriages for 1300 of them

  19. Yet again, a man who has opted out of marriage is lecturing everyone else on the importance of “traditional” marriage, this time as the representative of a minority cult in Australia, though one that appears to have a disproportionate influence there. Why are his views getting any attention at all?

  20. Opps – he must have spent too much time in the sauna yesterday instead of reading the memo yet from HQ.

  21. In other news the Archbishop also commented on the recent abolition of slavery: “I would be calling for more of a moratorium to suspend pending legislation so that we, over the next period of time, can discuss this in a more reasoned way, where both subjective and objective arguments can be put forward and discussed in an atmosphere of calm and reason, particularly holding forward the importance of ‘slavery’ and its role in society.”

    He went on:
    “I have a feeling myself that Australian society needs a lot more time to consider implications of legislation in this regard.”

    He added finally: “Even today in the fifteenth… er… sorry nineteenth… century this might be a step too far!”

  22. PeterinSydney 20 Sep 2013, 12:35pm

    This pompous fellow needs to meditate on the Pope’s interview, and put it into practice.

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