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Church of Scotland may stop performing weddings over the introduction of same-sex marriage

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  1. Snivelling whelps threaten to pick up the ball and go home? Laughing at them.

    Except, of course, marriage is not their ball and never was, despite all the disgraceful lies the church has been spreading trying to usurp it.

    1. “We are voluntary bodies”

      But registered charities don’t pay tax. If you really want to opt out mate, pay your taxes like the rest of us.

  2. Jock S. Trap 12 Sep 2013, 12:32pm

    Emotional blackmail is such an ugly trait. It so often suit religion though.

    There choice of course but is this to increase attacks on the LGBT community and whats more is this the intention.

    Religion really is the most evil thing in this world.

  3. Equality Network 12 Sep 2013, 12:33pm

    There is no “threat” to the Church of Scotland. The proposed legislation is entirely clear: there are very strong rules that prevent a religious body being forced to do same-sex marriages unless the body freely decides to.

    If the Church looks at what’s proposed and gets proper legal advice, they’ll realise that!

    1. Jock S. Trap 12 Sep 2013, 1:58pm

      Religion doesn’t work on facts, they have no interest in facts… only assumptions.

      1. Spanner1960 14 Sep 2013, 5:59pm

        If religion had anything to do with facts, they would have labelled the Bible, Tora and Koran as works of fiction years ago.

    2. magsmagenta 13 Sep 2013, 2:55pm

      They already know that, they aren’t stupid, but they are trying to scare their congregations in to believing that their religious freedoms are being threatened. After all religion is one big lie on top of another, what’s one more?

  4. Filthy “religious” homophobes unconvincingly trying to play victim.
    The institutionally prejudiced Church of Scotland would be better out of the marriage business anyway and leave it to the state, then they can do their exclusive and ridiculous religious spell binding ceremonies afterwards if they want.

  5. keith francis farrell 12 Sep 2013, 12:53pm

    This reminds me of the old saying “cutting off you nose to spite your face” what a sill bunch of homophobes

    1. Frank Boulton 12 Sep 2013, 4:49pm

      The very same words came to my mind, when I read his article. They’re saying that if homosexuals have to be included in the right to marry, then they’ll deny everyone the right to marry. And they wonder what’s emptying their pews.

      More and more people will start asking themselves this question: “With all of the terrible things that are happening in the world and deserving of condemnation, why are churches so obsessed with condemning loving couples?”

  6. I love the Church of Scotland’s vulva shaped logo with the burning bush image, so Freudian.

    1. Mumbo Jumbo 12 Sep 2013, 1:34pm

      Stephen Green’s Christian Voice have a giant horn. I wonder what Freud would make of that?

      1. I’d so love to see that.
        Stephen Bird-shit Green, wife beater and anti-gay homophobe.

  7. Dave North 12 Sep 2013, 1:04pm

    Cut off a major revenue source and make themselves even more irrelevant.

    Bring it on freaks….

  8. Robert in S. Kensington 12 Sep 2013, 1:10pm

    The same crap we were dished out south of the border. Another act of desperation because they know equal marriage is inevitable. Expect more outrageous rants as the bill progresses.

  9. I actually respect the Church of Scotland’s point.

    If they want to get out of the marriage business then that is their choice.

    Whether it is a winning strategy to retain members, is also their business.

    personally it would actually be a bit of relief if they did as I am sick of them winning on about marriage.

  10. let them – just think how much income they will loose -makes me laugh abuse little boys and they doing nothing – anyway am I right in thinking that churches will NOT be force to carry put same sex weddings -my god if I had a church I would be out there getting the pink pound

  11. Thus forever proving that religion does not own the concept of marriage.
    And if they feel the need to threaten the government at the same time, that’s their problem, not Holyrood’s

  12. “Mr Hamilton said the “threat” could be alleviated if the State simply “recognised” Church marriages as separate stand-alone bodies….”
    Were the church to have stand-alone bodies to not just host and perform marriages (as is already the case), but to also decide and manage the rights associated with them as the man suggests, the church would necessarily need to establish a legislative and judicial order to compete as an equal or superior to that which belongs to the democratically elected Parliament.
    For such an insane idea to float, the church of Scotland must do something even more insane, and either forcefully usurp all government authority from Parliament, or declare independence from Scotland.

    1. Nope — they can just have their own weddings without government sanction, which will have no legal validity. See how long that lasts.

    2. Recently I participated in a family wedding . At the rehearsal the Methodist minister went through the signing part of the ceremony, which, he made clear was not part of the religious ritual, but was required by the law.
      The same law covers all the other denominations, not just Methodism. Being married in the “eyes of God / the Church”, is not, and never has been, the same as being legally married. The marriage certificate determines that, and a wedding can be performed, by another church (e.g. C of E) if the Scottish Church refuses. I think any Christian couple would accept that their God would not condemn an non-denominational marriage ceremony if they had no other choice.

  13. Hahah. These people have got themselkves into SUCH a tangled web! Haha. Why don’t they just stop – full stop. Not only stop weddings – but cease to exist. Will anyone really miss them? I’d miss my electricity – I’d miss my local hospital. But a CHURCH …? Why don’t they just buggar off and do us all a favour.

  14. Then don’t perform marriages. This is exactly the same cut-off-my-nose-to-spite-my-face attitude displayed by adoption agencies in England and Wales who threatened to shut down rather than place children with same sex couples. Go ahead and stop performing marriages – it will only further hasten your decline in attendance and revenue and emphasise your irrelevance in a modern society that values fairness over superstition.

    1. Well said!!!

  15. Typical scaremongering by bigoted godbotherers. They are such a desperate bunch.
    Once they’ve calculated how much cash they will lose by not performing wedding ceremonies they’ll soon change their tune.

  16. People and religions like this shouldn’t even be giving evidence to the committee.

    They are not discussing the Bill itself, or suggesting amendments to improve the Bill, or even asking for concessions to be made to the Bill for themselves.

    They simply don’t want same sex marriage to become law full stop, therefore they are just wasting precious time and resources and holding up the process of making this Bill law.

  17. ScoutDubna 12 Sep 2013, 2:52pm

    Stopping marrying people whatever next stop christening babies? Surely marriage is every much at the heart of what the church is about as is christening.

    The church should treat a same gender couple in the same way as they do a dual gender couple. Just because they have an opt out of prosecution does mean it is right to treat Christian’s differently.

  18. got my walnut, now where’s my hammer?

  19. Isa Kocher 12 Sep 2013, 3:07pm

    church weddings and government marriages should be separate arrangements unrelated to each other. marriage is a social contract and should be regulated by the government. church or other religious marriage should be outside government purview. social contracts are state issues.

    1. Spot on.

    2. When relatives get married in Church, I am uncomfortable, as I know they only want the venue, and have no religious belief.
      When an openly gay relative became godfather to his nephew, I wondered if the vicar realised he was gay, and whether he would have refused to conduct the ceremony.
      My point is that the Church deals with people who often just want the atmosphere of a Church wedding, or Christening, but would happily go to another Church, or a civil venue, if refused.
      My sister went for a Methodist ceremony, after being refused by the C of E because she is divorced.
      Civil ceremonies are shorter, more honest, and I don’t have to endure tedious sermons and endless, usually depressing hymns, so more civil ceremonies the better, for me!

  20. That There Other David 12 Sep 2013, 3:25pm

    Good. And whilst you’re at it stop it with Christenings and funerals too.

    Religion is optional for all of life’s main events, yet it acts as if it owns birth, marriage and death. Let the Church of Scotland disband completely for all anyone cares. The world will continue to turn.

  21. So now the church is going to use its trump card and threaten the general public with withholding marriage from everyone.

    Reason and zealotry are about as compatible as oil and water. They can’t seem to see, through all their righteous indignation, that they’re alienating a whole new and younger generation, and when the older church goers have passed on and they face empty pews, and a rapidly dwindling cash flow, the light will suddenly go on but it will have all the illuminative power of a refrigerator bulb.

  22. This really beggars belief.

  23. I am sorry to see you folks in Scotland have the same religious nut cases as we have in US. What a bunch of screwballs-go ahead stop marrying folks …PLEASE! Folks will still get married they still will celebrate the occasion with various costumes and parties just they won’t be giving the “Church” the money! The vicar will be staring at an empty church while life goes on its merry way with-out the religious nut cases. I bet they’ll rent the hall anyway :-)

  24. As usual, when religious organizations can’t make victims, they try to play one themselves.
    “How dare you prevent us from discriminating other groups based on our superstitious beliefs!”
    The entire world doesn’t revolve around the church of Scotland (or any other religious body for that matter). Set whatever silly rules that you want inside your little church, but once you start to dictate what those of us outside the organization can say or do, you’ve overstepped your mark.

  25. Throwing their toys out of the pram because they’re not getting their own way? Why am I not surprised?

  26. Dominick J. 12 Sep 2013, 7:18pm

    Reverend Alan Hamilton of the Church is ignorant and very laughable And misleading too his congregation and to the world…. SO let the baffoon stop marrying people because of his stupidity. THEY, I’m sure can go somewhere else, BUT Gay folks whould have more class than to go to him or his church and request to be married!!!

  27. Oh, bugger off. Grizzling, pathetic,self-important, attention-seeking, mendacious toys-out-of-the-pram God-bothering crap. Like the Kirk has ever been forced to marry divorcees or pagan Moon-worshippers.
    Like any half-rational person would WANT to be married by these clowns.

    1. Amazing how fast they can backpedal when they put their foot in it.

    2. I was going to say call their bluff, but it looks like the Government did, and the Church blinked, to mix metaphors!
      Perhaps someone pointed out that “other Churches are available”, and that most people choose the venue, i.e. the building, not the religion when planning a wedding.

  28. We are not forcing there hand we have given them the human right to chocie just as we have given to gay mena and women couples. The right to marry is very important to many people. Those with strong faith in a particual rlegiions houdl have the oppurtunity to shwo their commitment in th eyes of God. I feel that the church threating to stop performign marriage all tgjhther is a nasty attempt to blackmail people into thinking their way.

  29. Spanner1960 14 Sep 2013, 5:56pm

    The UK government brought out the sex discrimination act in 1975 that prevented employers for specifically asking for male of female workers and that they should be paid the same wages. The exception was within religious establishments.

    I find it slightly bizarre that in nearly 40 years, not a single case has been brought against a church to challenge that particular caveat, yet the church somehow thinks now that the shoe is on the other foot that they will be immediately sued and be forced to carry out same-sex weddings.

    As usual, this is still just yet more smoke and mirrors in order to present themselves as a persecuted minority.

    1. Excellent point, well made!

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