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  1. Laughing as the silly old fart in his wizard outfit.

    No, no they’re not, dear. But since when did facts get in the way of the mendacious babbling mental incontinence of the dragon-handlers in chief…

    1. nixiotemba 10 Sep 2013, 5:28pm

      as long as time exists, this ‘new’ invention has been seen in Greece, silly uneducated idiot

  2. Think you mean ‘Turkey’…

    1. Considering he is the archbishop of Constantinople, not Istanbul. It is probably better to call him a priest in exile. Never mind that Turkey would have absolutely no problem allowing the guy to assume his post in Istanbul, religion does weird things to people.

      1. Istanbul IS Constantinople, just a name change. I remember a song I heard as a kid

        ‘Istanbul was Constantinople
        Now it’s Istanbul, not Constantinople
        Been a long time gone, Constantinople
        Now it’s Turkish delight on a moonlit night’

        Okay I am old (51)
        ……..sue me

    2. Greek Orthodox consider him their religious leader, even being a Turkish citizen. It’s complex religious history. Sort of like how the center of Irish Catholic authority is in Armagh instead of in the Republic of Ireland.

    3. Constantinople ceased to exist in 1453 about the last time this guys religion had an update.

      He is the archbishop of a non-existent place. Says it all really.

  3. Says the man with the silver dildo.

  4. michael f breen 10 Sep 2013, 3:08pm

    And your evil dark sulphurous soul will go to hell while I who try to love my fellow man as myself will see the gates of heaven and the face of god!!

  5. That There Other David 10 Sep 2013, 3:13pm

    LOL. Someone needs to read both his Homer epics and his Bible…

  6. When your cult, sorry no when your business is struggling to adapt to modern practice and social climate, it’s probably not a good idea to go out of your way to condemn 10% of the worlds population with the hilariously tragic misconception that they are a “new invention”

    When will these fairy tale peddles learn to keep their mouths shut? Seriously, you don’t even need to mention LGBT people you can just pretend they don’t exist like you do with science and nature and other aspects of reality that contradict your 2000 year old roughly translated propaganda manual

    1. “Propaganda manual” – love it!

  7. The earliest Western documents (in the form of literary works, art objects, and mythographic materials) concerning same-sex relationships are derived from ancient Greece. so
    shut up you vile greek t w a t and read up on your own history –

    New Invention? my fat hairy ass – Greek society – ancient accepted expression of male on male passion – part of every greek mans norm in daily life.

    So there!

    1. The spirit of “St.” John Chrysostom, who in the 4th century equated homosexuals with murderers, lives on! The Greek Orthodox Church fully supports the Golden Dawn party and their mayoral candidate for Athens, Ilias Kasidiaris, who is polling at around 19% for an election that is to be held in May. He is favored to win. Our brave LGBT brothers and sisters in Greece continue to need our support. Recently, unsigned articles have appeared in Greek media, praising the recently passed anti-gay propaganda laws in Russia, and suggesting their adoption in Greece.

      1. Ilias Kasidiaris is a truly bright and articulate THUG. He’s charismatic, handsome, quite a fashion dandy, and is a current member of the Greek Parliament. He infamously slapped a woman panelist on a TV talk show and fled into hiding, later saying he did what any Greek man would do to defend himself. Acquitted in a trial, he has become a prominent spokesman for the far right. He and Golden Dawn have captured the anger of a sizable number of the Greek public, and are reportedly cultivating a youthful following (under 18s) to continue attacks against immigrants and minorities, as they are not easily prosecuted. He’ll be a strong contender for mayor of Athens and will be difficult to beat.

  8. What rock has he been living under?

  9. Sounds like Greece is at the forefront of our descent into the next dark age.

    1. Just as in Russia, LGBT people are being targeted in Greece for the purposes of political expedience. We know austerity policies there are bringing about a rise of hard right neo-fascism. And, just as in Russia, the church is collaborating in the spread of aggression and bigotry.

      Filthy magic-peddling swines are quite contentedly getting in bed with monstrosity.

      1. True that Greece, is still lagging behind most western Europe in official gay rights, but there can be no comparison with “fellow orthodox” Russia. Gays in Greece are NOT persecuted, nor targeted, except the occasional attack in a park or street during night, which happens everywhere. Gay pride events are held annually in the biggest cities and there s a flourishing gay (night)-life.
        Media representation still needs improvement and we must keep a close watch on neo-nazi power rising, but the tragic LGBT situation in Russia and other eastern countries is far from Greece.

  10. Dave North 10 Sep 2013, 3:41pm

    So Dumbledore has disavowed his homosexuality and come back as Grand High Inquisitor of the Harricus Potterus Sect.

    “Behold my mighty Silver Shaft”

    Why not. It’s no less valid than the snake oil the old fool peddles.

  11. I am Greek Orthodox and gay. I’m profoundly saddened to read this. :-(

    1. Give up the ludicrous religion then. if you must be a Christian there are plenty of less homophobic churches.

    2. Why do you need to believe in ancient and medieval crap??? Believe in people instead, the only real thing in THIS world!

  12. David Cade 10 Sep 2013, 3:51pm

    One of the best sights of the “Athens Pride” parade I attended a couple of years ago was that of a large and imposing young lesbian belting out some very worthwhile statements via microphone while passing along the main streets of Athens aloft a float, and kitted out in exactly the same garb and head-gear as the patriarch himself!

    It was so good to see such brave and outspoken opposition in Greece, particularly after having witnessed so much hypocrisy and “double-think” on an earlier trip (as documented in my book, “Athens – The Truth”).

    1. David Cade 10 Sep 2013, 4:00pm

      I’ve just located the photograph I took of her! I wish there was a way I could upload it here. She’s standing, microphone in hand, beside a tall young guy in lavish pink drag (costumed as Cinderella – but effectively an Ugly Sister!) and her long bleached-blonde hair stands out quite provocatively against her archbishop’s black robes and silly hat!

      1. Dimitris T 10 Sep 2013, 9:25pm

        I have already ordered two copies of youw book, at “Public” bookstore, at Syntagma Sq. It may take as long as a month, but I want to make a present to a friend, the one of them.

        1. David Cade 11 Sep 2013, 2:15pm

          Dimitris, if “Public” don’t come through with the books, then please know that “CD-shop Greece” is offering them, at:
          http://www.cd-shop.gr/product.asp?Asin=095520903X

          If on the other hand “Public” DOES come through with them, then maybe they might like to order a few extra copies and place them in the “Gay and Lesbian” section down in their basement! That section was woefully understocked of any kind of truly gay and lesbian material when last I saw it. All it offered at that time were safe coffee-table books of sculpted bodies! And it was the only “Gay and Lesbian” section I found in any Athens bookshop – apart, of course, from the gay bookshop itself, “Colourful Planet”.

      2. Have you ever noticed how God and Santa Clause are the same person? Both are all-seeing, all knowing beings who have a list of everything you’ve done tallied up and depending on how good you’ve been they decide wether you get heaven (gifts) or hell (hot coal)

        So these people who live in fear of God are actually living in fear of Santa Clause. it’s the exact same trick used on kids except God is Santa Clause for life.

  13. Colin Cass 10 Sep 2013, 3:56pm

    Why doesn’t this Stupid old Idiot crawl back under a rock? His ill conceived thoughts are not welcome or relevant!

  14. Quote: “… these relationships are new “inventions” made out of sin”
    ‘Sin’, you weird old goat, is a religious concept. As such, it has absoutely no relevance whatsoever to an ever-growing majority of rational people in the world. YOU, Gandalf, are the sinner with your constant incitement to hatred. For christ’s sake (pun intended) READ the words of your religion’s founder and start preaching the LOVE he commanded of you. Orrr – do you think you are a superior being to the son of your god?

  15. Oh, a new breed of religious nutter who doesn’t even understand the history of his own damned religion?

    He obviously skipped the chunk of history where gay men were openly accepted in the church and were even MARRIED. This is proven historical fact, that they have tried to bury. This man is just an ignorant fool like most of the other ignorant fools in their religious group.

    These freaks just keep getting more and more ridiculous with each passing day. Good thing too, soon they’ll barely have enough support to keep a single church open in the developed world.

    1. Just for those who might want to rub it in the faces of right wing Christians in the future – St. Serge and St. Bacchus were two Roman soldiers who became Christian martyrs, they were lovers, and they were married and recognized by the church.

      Bring this up whenever you encounter a Christian religious freak who wants to tell you that their religion has rules to follow and watch their pathetic lizard-like brains completely fail to comprehend.

      http://www.gaychristian101.com/Gay-Marriage.html

      1. They were also patron saints of the Byzantine Army. What does our Archbishop have to say about that?

  16. Sometimes the old and unaware should do us all a big favour and simply roll over and die! Same-sex and polygamous relationships are documented on the tombstones of ancient Rome (see Capitoline Museums). Not to mention ancient Greece and its acceptance of pederasty for centuries.
    This old fool should have said, “same-sex marriages have been consistently repressed since monotheistic [particularly Catholic] theology came into being” (pre-4th century AD).
    Ancient Rome: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome#Gay_marriage
    Ancient Greece:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece

    1. In fact there is not much evidence of Christian hostility to gay relationships across the board until 11th/12th centuries. It’s one of the reasons that the ongoing religious shenanigans are such a tiresome farce.

  17. Different religion, same message…. Boring

  18. I am astonished – and this is GREEK orthodoxy – with the ancient history of Greece? Where is this guy coming from – it surely isn’t, can’t be, Greece!

    1. Oh, for goodness’ sake! Do you really not know the difference between the Greek Orthodox Church and the Athenian Golden Age of 5c BC? There’s about as much connection between the two as there is between the culture that created the Bamiyan Buddhas and the Taleban who destroyed them.

      1. Erm….no

        1. Right, because the Orthodox churches were so terribly enthusiastic about preserving the products of a “pagan” culture that celebrated athleticism and the male nude, among other unChristian things, wasn’t it?

          [erm ... sarcasm alert]

      2. Touchy, touch, Rehan! If someone isn’t aware of a slice of knowledge that you happen to possess, there’s no need to go off your rocker!

        1. Heh – not that much of an overreaction, surely? It’s just that people do need to stop referring to ancient history as though it’s part of some ongoing continuum (I say this as someone whose degree is in ancient history). A lot can happen in 500+ years, and a lot did, between the Athenian Golden Age and the rise of organised Christianity. Modern-day Greece is unrecognisably different from the ancient Hellenic world, not least thanks to the dead hand of the Greek Orthodox Church, and incidentally it’s seriously misguided to see 5c BC Athens as some sort of gay paradise – the parameters of male relationships were (mostly) so radically different from ours as to seem bizarre.

  19. listen dear you look like you should be in Harry Potter – go back to your place of teaching with your sad and outdated views 0- how sad you get each day with such hatred

  20. Patriarch Bartholomew should stop touching himself while thinking about other people’s gay relationships, he should consider whether his peculiar addiction is really worth an eternity burning in Hell.

  21. Have you noticed how religion appears to have NOTHING else to say these days apart for its constant homophobic rants? I can’t see them winning many new converts with those tactics because, in the main, young people totally disagree with these old farts. Does that mean that, as these vile old people go to meet the maker they so love (and yet seem to cling to medication and life with a tenacity which belies their belief in ‘paradise’) homophobia will finally die with them? I hope it’s soon ….

    1. The dying beast always thrashes the hardest. We can wait them out, and hope the cultist fools don’t hurt too many more people on their way out.

      Cant come a day too soon.

    2. The Patriarch should know better. Byzantine texts of the service of adhopoiesis (Greek) (perhaps best translated as “brotherhood”) exist from the forurth century on This service of blessing of two members of the same sex is found in various texts (there are around 70 early manuscripts) ; the best known appears in the 10th century service book (or Typikon) of John Tzimiskes. There is a similar 14th century Slavonic form and it seems to have been celebrated as late as the early 1930’s in Southern Albania. In most versions of the service there is a blessing of crowns and a crowning as in a Byzantine marriage service; other elements seem closer to the blessing of brotherhood or sisterhood; and from a different perspective again, the 14th century monk Matthew Blastares discusses adelphopoiesis almost as a kind of adult mutual adoption. So…not unambiguous marriage but clearly a church recognition of same sex relations.

      1. Frank Boulton 11 Sep 2013, 7:14pm

        “Adelphopoiesis”, sometimes also called “adelphopoiia”, literally means “brother-making”.

  22. His beard is reprehensible old fashion (masked with the excuse of religion tradition)

  23. Christopher Coleman 10 Sep 2013, 4:47pm

    How about this for a new invention? A religion that is rooted in facts and common sense.

    1. There already is one. It’s called Buddhism and it’s not new.

    2. ‘A religion that is rooted in facts and common sense’ …? Errrmmm nope – don’t think that’s possible … especially among those that rely on 2,000 year-old novels for their rules and try to control their followers with superstition, threats and insults. I just wish the whole lot of them would stop hiding behind religion to support their bigotry. The world is rapidly understanding that religious homophobia is driven by either (a) self-hatred for having same-sex attraction and attempting to suppress it by projecting inner-hatred outwardly or (b) ignorance of guilable morons who follow religious leader like sheep because they don’t possess the mental capacity to question what day it is.

  24. Says Papa Smurf in full mourning drag.

    But what can you expect from a man who rules over a city that hasn’t existed since the 15th Century. Which is fitting for a man whose ideas come from the 15th Century.

  25. He doesn’t get out much, does he.

  26. Airliners are new(ish) inventions, made with the assistance of sin (science), yet I seriously doubt the dear old Patriarch avoids taking them as a result.

  27. Same-sex relationships have been around a lot longer than Christianity, and they’ll be around long after Christianity’s gone. I don’t mean that in a threatening or anti-Christian way (I’m kinda sorta nominally Christian myself), but just as a plain statement of fact. Religions come and go, always have and always will, but homosexuality is a perennial part of human nature.

  28. From the film ‘Gentlemen Prefer Blondes’ (1953):
    “Lady Beekman (Norma Varden): I’m perfectly serious.
    Dorothy Shaw (Jane Russell): Oh yeah? So why are you wearing that hat?”
    Sorry. This was the first thing to come to mind when I read this article.

    1. ‘Came’ of course. Aarggh.

    2. No. I was right the first time. The verb is an infinitive. Going barmy.

  29. Silly old fool – hammering another nail into the coffin of organised religion – has he any idea how irrelevant he is to modern society? Younger generations view him and such ridiculous hate-filled rhetoric in the same way they would a Ku Klux Klanner – bigoted and downright evil.

    1. white squirrel 15 Sep 2013, 8:56pm

      Younger generations

      such as those aged below 110 perhaps – and prob about how long he has had that beard

  30. Apparently he skipped Plato’s Symposium. The host, Agathon and his partner Pausanias, lived together. The Greek Orthodox Church has a long established habit of denial about Greek history.

    1. Plato’s Symposium predated organised Christianity by some 500 years and probably had about as much relevance to it as Henry VIII’s Defence of the Seven Sacraments does to modern Britain.

      1. My point was in rebuttal to the claim that co-habitation between same-sex couples is a “new invention”. It is in fact older than Bartholomew’s religion!

        1. Yes, fair enough, but most people (not just the poor silly old Patriarch) are selective about which parts of ancient history they choose to focus on. It’s also worth noting that the custom, even in Golden Age Athens, was for men – even those we would think of as ‘gay’ – to be married to a woman.

          1. Roman Emperor Hadrian lived with the beautiful Antonous, and when Antonous drowned Hadrian was so bereft that he erected huge statues of him across the empire. So it wasn’t exactly a secret relationship.

            This Archbishop of a non existent city is just showing his ignorance.

          2. Yes, that is very true, but Hadrian was married (to a woman) all along and she was given the title Augusta some 2 years before Antinoüs’s death, which suggests she wasn’t exactly irrelevant to Hadrian.

            And a man in his early 50s, the most powerful man in his world at the time. obsessed with a dependent teenager is actually not that wonderful an example of a gay relationship to modern eyes, even if it did resulted in some very beautiful sculptures. Not that brilliant an example to hold up as a precedent to this silly Patriarch, anyway.

          3. *result

  31. Obviously he’s wrong.

    But for those who think he’s ‘knocking another nail into the coffin of religion’ to make yourselves feel better, or that religion means nothing anymore, are just deluded – it’s just not true. Different surveys show between 80% and 95% of Greece believe in God, and with the economic depression in Greece, more people will be turning to religion and God for strength.

    So you may be laughing at his funny costume and the fairy tales of religion to get some thumbs up on pink news, but its not that funny when you consider the reality that a vast majority of people in Greece will listen to this man, and the fairy tale you’re telling yourself that he has a silly book that is like harry potter, means absolutely nothing other than approval on this website.

    Bridges need to be built with your enemy, not burnt, and laughing at the majority from the comfort of your pink news armchair does nothing but make them hate us even more.

    1. I dunno … can we at least SINGE his beard?

      It’s a shame that more Eastern Orthodox news in English doesn’t reach us … the Eastern Churches are a moral cesspool that make the Western Churches look like a convent populated with Melanie Wilkes clones.

    2. I can see your point, but can’t agree. This man has no sensitivity for or interest in Greek LGBTs and their personal problems. His church has aligned itself with the most vicious political party since the rule of the Colonels, Golden Dawn, who see Hitler as a positive role model. His main interest is to maintain the constitutionally protected position the Greek church has in Greek society, and he does not want to see any of the church core principles retired to the dustbin of history where many of them probably belong. There is no interest in making a place for LGBTs in Greek society or the church- the church defiantly condemns them.

    3. Dave North 10 Sep 2013, 8:35pm

      Given the sh!t that these “men of religion” have thrown at us you can understand our lampooning and vilifying them.

    4. You don’t get a tyrant to remove his foot from your neck by asking nicely. Religion – of whatever flavour – has been a burden for LGBT people for a very long time. Appeasement is not an option.

      And to be honest, if I was straight as an arrow, I would still be mocking it for the absurdity that it is.

    5. Oh, and when you’ve quite finished slurping the boots of the oppressor let me remind you – Greece is arguably neck a neck with Russia in the race for dangerous bigotry. The rise of the far right is desperately dangerous and this filthy repugnant swine of a man – the one you think might hate us less – is a participant in the target/blame/vilify model of scapegoating for a powerless, scared and disenfranchised populace. It is desperately dangerous for our LGBT brothers and sisters there. He may well be seeing a land grab for power and authority, hand in glove with a pack of neo-bloody-fascists and LGBT people are being thrown under the bus for the sake of political expediency.

      So kindly do us all a favour and pull your head out of either his backside, or your own.

    6. There are pockets of “resistance” when it comes to the fight against religiously based bigotry, such as Greece, Russia and Lithuania etc. but on the whole religious beliefs across the Western world are collapsing.

      It’s not a fantasy that in the UK alone churches are closing at a fast pace, and the only people keeping some of them alive are religious immigrants from former Soviet states and African nations.

      This is a fact, and the same thing is happening throughout much of Europe, across the US, Australia, the UK, Ireland, Canada… There are strongholds for religious insanity, but they are diminishing.

      That actually might be why we are seeing this backlash now in Russia and Greece – the religious are panicking and desperately trying to prevent evolution and their own demise, so they pick places to maintain influence, just as the Taliban did, just as the Muslim Brotherhood did, just as radical Christianity is now.

      They will fail.

    7. Frank Boulton 11 Sep 2013, 6:56pm

      The Archbishop of Constantinople has made a laughing-stock of himself without any help from the LGBTI community by speaking publicly about a subject without taking the trouble to find out the most rudimentary facts. I don’t notice anyone laughing at any “majority”. They’re laughing at the Archbishops crass and willful ignorance.

      The fact that we counter such lies, vilification and denigration with nothing more terrible that facts, reason and laughter only demonstrates to the rest of the world what a good-natured, easy-going and benign bunch of people we are in the LGBTI community. There is plenty of evidence to show that, in the Western world, we are winning over hearts and minds with our tactics.

      Isn’t it a pity that, with so many terrible things happening in the world, the Archbishop has chosen to condemn above all other things – loving couples? His priorities are a joke. That’s why people are laughing.

    8. ” telling yourself that he has a silly book that is like harry potter, means absolutely nothing other than approval on this website.” It’s also true. Which is always a good case for making a comment.
      You’re arguing that public opinion matters when it comes to a belief in a god? Did it matter, or change that fact that the earth is not stationary and orbits the sun, when practically everyone on earth believed the opposite, some 500 years ago?
      The truth is the truth regardless of public opinion.
      And the truth is, there’s not a tiny shred of evidence to support any religious claim.
      So you continue to defend religious bigotry, but do so knowing that you have nothing to back your position except mass delusion and ignorance.

    9. keith francis farrell 12 Sep 2013, 1:05pm

      Only good this that needs to happen to this mad idiot would be if he dies today. If he does not hopefully someone will aid him on his way

  32. Frank Boulton 10 Sep 2013, 6:53pm

    The earliest written records of homosexuality in Europe are a Cretan inscription (ca 630BCE) and the poetry of Sappho (born between 630 and 612 BC), both of them Greek sources. I think that we should have a collection and send Bart a copy of Plato’s Symposium. He might just spontaneously combust, when he opens it!

  33. keith francis farrell 10 Sep 2013, 7:10pm

    This hateful old bigot does not know what being a Christian is all about. when a person preaches hate and murder the way he does, then he is not serving God but serving the devil. He needs to look deep within himself and see the truth

    1. I can’t agree. Have you seen some of the hate and violence spouted by the Abrahamic god?
      When gods like that, who needs devils?

      1. keith francis farrell 12 Sep 2013, 1:14pm

        True, I believe all organised religion are hate groups. Frankly I would love to see them all paying taxes if they want to involve themselves in fighting against equality.

  34. Dimitris T 10 Sep 2013, 7:28pm

    I am Greek and gay. Greek Orthodox Church should not engage in a competence with Russian Church in hatred against lgbt people. Greek Orthodox Church should consider a state of “Registered Cohabitation” with European values of Justice. Why not try it, like Anglican and Catholic Church. I may tell you that Vartholomaios is considered modest, compared to certain Greek Bishops, who ask for re-criminalisation or constitutional discrimination against lgbts, whilst Turkey, with all its problems, talks about constitutional protection against discrimination. EU should cope with those Greek aberrations, at last.

    1. Dimitris T 10 Sep 2013, 9:23pm

      …competition…
      Maybe I was in a hurry, but the thing is that Greece stinks in the field of gay rights

      1. Beelzeebub 10 Sep 2013, 9:33pm

        Well piss of out of the TAX SUBSIDIZED EU.

        Your dump is better off looking to Iran.

    2. What’s the current possibility of LGBT candidates for next year’s elections- any open gay candidates running for office? The Greek Church seems to be supportive of Golden Dawn- any chance that Ilias Kasidiaris will actually succeed in the Mayor’s race in May? The Greek Church seems to have a great deal of influence in the political life of Greece.

      1. Dimitris T 13 Sep 2013, 8:06pm

        There are some openly gay candidates, but never elected. I do believe and hope that Ilias Kasidiaris will not be the next Mayor of Athens, but he will probably be in the second rally. It usually takes two Sundays, with one month interval, except one gets more than 50% from the first Sunday

  35. Dimitris T 10 Sep 2013, 7:35pm

    There is a real problem in spreading some kind of information, in Greece, I have to tell you. Greece and Belarus are the only European countries where Euronews in local language, or in English is deliberately not transmitted. It is a mainstream news channel, what Greek government doesn’t like is its quality and moderately pro-gay stance. And crap! They banned it. They want the European loans, thoygh… Hello! Greek government is not what many Europeans think it is. A tv channel, Alha, has again censored a lesbian kiss in serial Glee. There is a serious problem here. Trans people are constantly in police pursuit and HIV positive people, are discriminated. There are 2 publications of Pink News on those 2 topics.

  36. no worries…he and “his kind” will be pujsjing up daisys soon enough…and their brain dead train of thought to no where will become exstinct!

    http://getoffmydress.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-king-of-all-queens.html

  37. Mumbo Jumbo 10 Sep 2013, 8:14pm

    Alexander the Great?

    1. Married twice, children by one of those wives and possibly by a mistress too. In some ways the foolish old Patriarch is right: gay relationships as we know them now – frank, open, confident – in parts of the Western world are sort of a modern invention, simply because they were (by and large) not possible for most people in past eras, thanks largely to the pernicious influence of institutions like … the Greek Orthodox Church.

      1. Quite, Rehan, but the Patriarch’s demonizing rhetoric covers up a lot of dishonesty. Idealised gay male coupledom did exist in the Ancient World and he must know this. It is generally true, however, that open homofriendly attitudes in premodern cultures existed side by side with an assumption that everyone (at least everyone with property and influence) would marry, whatever else they did (and did openly without stigma). Marriage in such cultures was not usually associated with romantic and sexual fulfilment – a very modern expectation.

  38. Derek Williams 10 Sep 2013, 9:06pm

    Each religion makes its own god. The Catholic God condemns Birth Control and Divorce, yet the Anglican God was no problem with family planning, and was founded by divorcee King Henry VIII.

    There is no rational way that these two gods can be one and the same, since he disagrees with himself irrefragably, yet they are as one in condemning homosexuals as “intrinsically evil”. Such religions drive god out of the homosexual.

    I can likewise name 35 Christian religions, which teach that homosexuality is a God-given, innate minority trait and which welcome LGBT with open arms, hearts and minds as parishioners with full sacraments, ordain as clergy, and perform same sex marriage.

    People evidently shop for the designer religion that most closely fits their tastes, and their prejudices.

    1. Dave North 10 Sep 2013, 9:30pm

      Humanity seems to have two issues.

      Religion and Power.

      Both intrinsically linked.

      Here we all are living our short lives on this beautiful ball of rock spinning its way around an insignificant star at the @rse end of our galaxy, and what do we have.

      Religion ballsing it all up and Politicians basing there thoughts, actions and voting records on religion ballsing it up even further.

      A Worldwide phenomena..

      Doesn’t matter which Abrahamic deity they choose.

      All down to childhood indoctrination.

      Born in England 1950. You are an Anglican
      Born in Belfast West Ireland 1975. You are a Catholic.
      Born in Belfast East Ireland 1975. You are a Protestant.
      Born in Iran. You are a Muslim.
      Born in Los Angeles. Take your pick. Christian, Jew , Muslim, Mormon, Scientologists. etc etc.

      Its all drivel and these merchants of poison realize it.

      They will not go without a fight, but it appears that they are the arbiters of their own demise.

      They just cant help themselves.

    2. You know when you have created god in your own image,
      he agrees with the same prejudices you have
      and hates all the same people!

  39. de Villiers 10 Sep 2013, 9:40pm

    Desperately disappointing and depressing.

  40. Christopher In Canada 10 Sep 2013, 10:35pm

    You can’t go back to Constantinople…

  41. “Archbishop of Constantinople says gay relationships are ‘reprehensible new inventions’”

    Would that be along with the safety razor? (Ps. Is there a chance that Osama bin Laden got out alive and disguised?)

  42. Greece and Greeks have a huge blind spot when it comes to their own ancient history.

    1. That’s hardly surprising, since the Eastern Mediterranean world of 2500 years ago would have been unimaginably alien in most ways for most of us, not just the modern Greeks. Just about as alien as the world the “scriptures” that (selectively) rule so many people’s lives came from!

    2. Apart from which the early Christians tried to erase history, and knowledge of former times, they attempted to burn and destroy any written record, which might not agree with their crazy doctrines and it was the Christians who burned Alexander’s library in Egypt.
      Fortunately they did not totally succeed. Although no doubt the majority of those historic documents were not copied and held elsewhere out of their reach. We will never know the extent of what was lost.

      1. soapbubblequeen 11 Sep 2013, 5:52pm

        Very true Renovato. The film with Rachel Weisz, Agora, about the woman philosopher Hypatia, dramatized that history perfectly. Sadly, I’m sure some of them would like to do the same today.x

    3. Very true, Dermot. For example, they prefer not to bear in mind the appalling practices of the Spartans.

  43. friday jones 11 Sep 2013, 12:24am

    It’s hard to take a guy seriously who talks about “new inventions” as if they were fearful things, using a fancy condenser microphone connected to a state-of-the-art transistorized solid-state public address system.

  44. James Savik 11 Sep 2013, 6:25am

    All those pre-Christian era home-erotic Greek artifacts make the “new invention” part of that statement FALSE.

    1. The way I read it, he was talking about modern, cohabiting gay relationships, and in that respect I’m afraid he does have a point (all the references above to Classical Greek customs is misguided – male relationships were almost always based on inequality of age and experience, and an adult male being the receptive partner in sex was considered laughable).

      Of course what the silly old fool doesn’t acknowledge is that it’s the deadening influence of his own institution, among others, that prevented same-sex couples living openly and unashamedly together until relatively recently.

      1. de Villiers 11 Sep 2013, 12:37pm

        As usual, I agree with everything you have said.

        1. Why, thank you, kind sir!

  45. It’s all Greek to him !!!

  46. Jock S. Trap 11 Sep 2013, 9:00am

    What, such ignorance to ignore history!

    Wow, such ignorance to ignore humanity!

    1. He is the enemy of the human race.

  47. john booth 11 Sep 2013, 5:30pm

    “Bart the Fart” – I really can’t take you seriously. And you are from the Greek faith, wasn’t that once a euphemism for Gay?

    1. the Greek faith, wasn’t that once a euphemism for Gay?

      No, that was pre-Christian Greek culture, of half a millennium before the establishment of the Greek Orthodox Church. Rather big difference.

  48. soapbubblequeen 11 Sep 2013, 5:49pm

    Please. Go and buy some Gilette darling and Clinique post-shave healer. And while you’re at it, change that head gear too. You old demented Christianutty!

  49. Dimitris T 13 Sep 2013, 8:10pm

    It is about time EU takes an initiative for substantial protection of gay rights, on all grounds. LGBT people undergo behaviours ranging from mean actions to real crime. There is no kind of values, on which this could be established. There is no love, dear Patriarch, when me and my lover are subjected to relatives’ wish and not our own, when ill. No matter if the Church will accept this, the State should. It is well time, after all, for all people concerned to cope with the Greek aberation. 35 years in EU and we resemble the most to Middle East. Greek Golden Dawn MP asks for recriminalisation and mokes (!) the German minister of foreign affairs about his sexuality http://www.iefimerida.gr/newshttp://gr.news.yahoo.com/%CE Bishop of Piraeus says that gays should seak desperately for cure, not hesitating to risk their lives (I hope that abbey-hospitals, with Nazi security and doctors are not already yet to accept this kind of “patients” driven there by their parents or driven from dispair

    1. Isn’t this bishop the same homophobe who has repeatedly – and successfully- targeted LGBT activists in the Greek courts? His citation of the pantheon of long since (deservedly) homophobic dead saints (no mention of Sergius and Bacchus), and the usual hateful passages from the Bible give him away. There is nothing loving, accepting or forgiving in the Christianity he practices, or in his Fascist-style recommendations. Does anyone know how many Greek priests and bishops are members of Golden Dawn? I bet there are at least a few!

      1. Dimitris T 15 Sep 2013, 9:04pm

        Yes, he is the one (the Bishop of Piraeus, not the Patriarch) who sued the contributors of Corpus Christi om “blasphemy”, along with MP’s of Golden Dawn. And he has made many ferocious anti-gay statements. Once a gay activist sued him, the attorney did not press charges at all.
        http://tvxs.gr/news/ellada/epithesi-ston-politismo-me-ergaleio-tin-blasfimia
        http://tvxs.gr/news/ellada/xrysi-aygi-kai-serafeim-katethesan-apo-koinoy-minysi-kata-toy-corpus-christi
        http://www.10percent.gr/epikairotita/eidiseis/1774-2010-05-15-19-58-38.html
        Later on he “excommunocated” the Gloden Dawn on Paganism.
        Officially the Church does not support GD, some Bishops have spoken for (too bad, since GD are vilains) and some against. Though GD has a touch for ultra-conservative people.

  50. Dimitris T 13 Sep 2013, 8:13pm

    http://romfea.gr/ieres-mitropoleis/17934-2013-07-10-10-36-58
    Would these actrocities get no answer, if they were pronounced anywere else in the world?

    1. This is what happens when you do not have separation of church and state, in a civilized and modern society. Using Google Language Tools, reading this jeremiad, including its admonishments to the mayors of Athens and Thessaloniki to ban Pride celebrations, it seems to me that the Greek Church is laying the foundation for Russian-style anti-gay propaganda laws. The usual malevolent citations from the Old Testament and various church Fathers, including the virulently anti-semitic John Chrysostom are quoted, representing carefully preserved superstitious fears. Is it any wonder that the Greek Church supports the fascist Golden Dawn thugs, who are violently anti-semitic, anti-immigrant, and anti-gay? The Church has done as much as any foreign invader to cripple the Greek spirit and is reduced once again to its age-old message to the Greek people: shame on you! These are difficult times for Greece. It’s a pity that it can’t look to the Church for moral leadership.

      1. Dimitris T 15 Sep 2013, 9:16pm

        Yes this is true. Greek Right Wing, New Democracy, is NOT an ordinary European Right Wing Party. It is far-right and Golden Dawn are PURE NAZISTS. There is the point I mentioned in my answer to Joseph above (see also this answer), about neo-paganism. In the Constitution and in Law there is extra protection of the religious point of view and at school there is no citizenship education, or sexual education. Let me give you an example: only the Greek government plus Lukashenko, Belarus, have stopped the broadcast of Euronews. Euronews is not available in Greece ever since it started its programme in Greek and this should not be tolerated by EU. It is pure violation of the freedom to communicate ideas, and let me tell you, Euronews is not a revolutionary channel, what Greek government did not like in it and crap! they stopped it, is the way it covers news about lgbt issues. For example in Greece in the mass media OLNY the reactions AGAINST gay marriage in France were covered.

      2. Dimitris T 15 Sep 2013, 9:26pm

        see also
        http://www.newsbomb.gr/koinwnia/story/338364/prostatepste-tora-toys-neoys-apo-tin-omofylofilia-opos-o-poytin
        Yes there are voices asking for Putin-like anti-gay laws. I think Putin and all the enemies of the values of freedom, equality etc, the values of gay rights, have chosen this field because they feel that with this they can intrude and intervene in bigger parts of the western society.
        Whilst in Turkey they MAY have CONSTITUTIONAL protection against discrimination, in a very hostile society, in Greece, ultra conservatives who don’t have and don’t want European way of life are asking even for recriminalization. Enjoy our Prime Minister, Samaras, in Europe they think a lot about him, ensuring one of the most fanatic Bishops, Anthimos, Thessaloniki, that sticking to traditions is guaranteed!
        http://voria.gr/index.php?module=news&func=display&sid=148459

  51. Dimitris T 21 Sep 2013, 5:20pm

    I urge you to read this. Use a google translator. Please do spread more the situation in Greece
    http://www.ethnos.gr/article.asp?catid=22768&subid=2&pubid=63730220#forumtop

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