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  1. Danila in Russia 8 Sep 2013, 1:51pm

    Well, if the West really listens to these calls, I’d be more optimistic about my plan of going to college in the US and then applying for asylum

  2. Scary stuff, this world does not get better overall :(

  3. Openly Fabulous 8 Sep 2013, 1:52pm

    Russia has clearly learnt nothing from Nazi Germany and, apparently, much of the rest of the world hasn’t either, since not enough action is being taken. The state has unleashed a hate campaign against gay people, probably to deflect criticism from other domestic policies. I so badly want to help these people – we need to milk the publicity given by Sochi as much as possible but that still doesn’t feel like enough – what else should we do?

    1. Russia has learned a lot from Nazi Germany, but instead of learning what not to do, and why it should never happen again, as most of the world has. Russia has only learned how to carry out such crimes.
      For as much as the country in now embracing that evil ideology, they might as well tear down all the memorials they have to the over 20 million Soviet soldiers and civilians who died opposing it.

      1. Russia is very bad at the moment for LGBT citizens, but not even close to what happened to LGBT people in Germany when they were ruled by the nazi party. Russia isn’t carrying out the same crimes towards LGBT people as the nazi’s did. To say so is disrespectful to the gay men and women, and Jews who were placed in ghettoes, tortured, experimented on and murdered by the government. Get some perspective.

        1. CH Brighton 8 Sep 2013, 3:24pm

          But this is how it started(in Nazi Germany). Gently at first to see how the populace responded and harshly once they had stifled opposition and taken complete control of government. Many political prisoners were taken and murdered in various camps before the Final Solution was devised.

        2. Helge Vladimir Tiller 8 Sep 2013, 6:14pm

          Mark Y ! Please take into account that the knowledge about sexuality and sexual identification is ” a million times” larger today than during The Nazi Period in Europe.

          1. That still doesn’t make what is happening in russia anywhere near what it was like in nazi germany, even in the 30’s. Just because something is bad doesn’t mean that it should be compared to nazi germany.

        3. Mark, you clearly have not recognized the tactics and patterns emerging in Russia right now, they are very similar to Nazi Germany. It doesn’t even have anything to do with the holocaust; if people could only forget about Jews and the holocaust for a second, they could see it’s about the political tactics that are being legislated and the motives behind the scapegoating and demonizing of a certain group that are similar to Germany in the 1930’s, long before the war even took place, let alone the holocaust.

          1. So you want to compare russia to nazi germany but ignore the holocaust? Eh? The tactics are not the same as early nazi germany. Saying so might get you some thumbs up off other deluded pink news readers, but it bears no resemblance to facts. It isn’t even illegal to be gay in russia. This policy is similar to clause 28. There are many countries where it is much worse to be gay than in russia. Do you think saudi arabia is like nazi germnay, iran and the 74 other countries where it is illegal to be gay? I think it’s much worse in the countries where you can be put in prison just for being gay. And definitely worse in the 7 countries where it is punishable by death.

      2. Barry William Teske 9 Sep 2013, 1:36am

        I mistakenly reported your comment, my apologies as this was not my intent.
        Hope this is seen and report ignored!

      3. Openly Fabulous 9 Sep 2013, 11:26am

        ‘Mark Y’ has just commented again “That still doesn’t make what is happening in russia anywhere near what it was like in nazi germany, even in the 30′s. Just because something is bad doesn’t mean that it should be compared to nazi germany” –

        For heaven’s sake Mark are you just pretending not to get this? Are you really this blind to what is happening? It is exactly the same – Russia has said it will ‘relax’ its anti-gay laws during Sochi. The Nazis took down all their anti-Jewish posters during the Munich olympics. As soon as they were over, they unleashed state-sanctioned persecution like never before, and the same thing will happen in Russia – it’s already happening – illegal to talk about anything ‘gay’, illegal to look after children – where the hell do you think this is going Mark Y????

        1. I don’t have a crystal ball like you obviously have, but I really don’t think that after the winter olympics that LGBT people in russia will be rounded up into ghettoes, taken to concentration camps, tortured, and then gassed. If that is what happens, and your crystal ball is right, then I will take everything back and apologise.

          I suspect thought that your fortune telling isn’t isn’t quite as good as you think it is.

          If russia is like nazi germany, what are the 76 countries where it is illegal to be gay? and why aren’t you complaining about them? Can you even name the 7 countries where it is punishable to be gay with death without lookin on wikipedia? No. Thought not.

          The only reason why everyone is so bothered about russia is because pink news are reporting this over and over again. There are much worse countries for LGBT rights in the world than russia, and russia at the moment is nothing like nazi germany.

    2. On the contrary, Russia has more Neo-Nazis than all other countries combined, and a majority of youth believe Russia would be a better place if the Nazis had won the war. Most places in Russia, police are unwilling to stop Neo-Nazis, and are often even supportive of them. And the Russian Orthodox Church seems to reflect and rubber stamp most nationalist trends.

      I think the question is not whether they have learnt from Nazi Germany, but whether they can be convinced that it matters. The sheer racist, homophobic arrogance is appalling.

    3. Stalin and his regime are widely held responsible for upto 20 million deaths.

      The russians have a history of genocide. It’s just not as well known.

      1. And for all of it, Stalin is a folk saint among traditional Russians. His crimes (including the mass purges of his own citizens) are known, but rationalized as having been “necessary”.

  4. José Merentes 8 Sep 2013, 2:13pm

    Finally! I was vying for this.

    1. Barry William Teske 9 Sep 2013, 1:40am

      I do not understand what you mean.

  5. Charlie Chaplin 8 Sep 2013, 2:23pm

    I say – do not despair. The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed – the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.

  6. Charlie Chaplin 8 Sep 2013, 2:24pm

    I say – do not despair. The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed – the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish….

    1. Unless of course, one dictator is simply replaced with another, and evil régimes become cyclical. Apologies for sounding nihilistic, but even if hate does eventually, it is too little too late for the millions that needlessly died as a result of it. Of course, there is always hope, no matter how frail it may be.

      1. *eventually pass

  7. Lady Thatcher 8 Sep 2013, 3:32pm

    Putin rocks! Masha Gessen is a hard-left fanatic who said that marriage should be abolished. No wonder Putin wants to crack down on creeps like Gessen. And before you anti-family queens all screech ‘homophobia,’ listen to what she says. Here’s the link to her anti-marriage speech:

    1. Oh yes, claiming marriage is an inherently patriarchal institution that should be abolished; how very new and revolutionary! yawn

      “Anti-family queens” – lol. Please tell us more about how anti-family LGBT people are while I browse some statistics on heterosexual divorce, domestic abuse, child abuse, adultery, teenage pregnancy and orphanage population and laugh my @$$ off at your ignorance

      1. Lady Thatcher 8 Sep 2013, 9:28pm

        Queen of the non sequitur as well; because hetero marriage is declining homo marriage should be allowed? Is this what passes for argumentation nowadays? Clearly a victim of Tony Blair’s eduction system.
        You are in agreement with Gessen then? You also believe the married family should be dismembered? Homo activists (Peter Tatchell et al) have been saying since the 1960s how the traditional family is repressive and needs to be smashed.

        1. My congratulations for abusing 3 separate groups in one.
          Ignorance and prejudice is not appreciated here -GoAway

        2. oh LOL the rotting of the “sanctity” of the heterosexual marriage has nothing to do with homosexuals; homosexual marriage should be allowed regardless of what sorry state heterosexual marriage is in. Not our problem :)

    2. Barry William Teske 9 Sep 2013, 1:34am

      My what a big bloody brush you choose to paint with.
      Buckets yes?
      Good luck with your impending implosion.
      I truly hope you find your higher good.
      Rocks will not be enough for your path thru life.

      1. Do not feed the trolls. Report and ignore them.

  8. I strongly recommend Gessen’s book ‘the Man Without a Face’, from last year, documenting the way opponents of Putin have been bumped off, silenced, exiled or imprisoned; the general shutting down of democracy; the blatant disregard for life in handling hostage crises; and even carrying out acts of terrorism in order to whip up anti-Chechen / muslim sentiment, and win support. The homophobia card and collusion with the Church is a last resort to appeal to the mob.

  9. Derek Williams 8 Sep 2013, 4:05pm

    Exactly what the Russian government and the Russian people have been misled to want. What about the “new gays” who will continue to be born to heterosexual parents?

    Symbolically powerful as this statement is, a mass LGBT diaspora is just playing into their hands.Stay and fight back – it’s your home too.

    1. Their home is where their heart is.
      And it is certainly not in the country that wants them dead. Your comment is naïve and foolish, if you had understood the recent Russian anti-gay laws you would have known that right now it’s impossible to fight for gay rights without being imprisoned, beaten-up or killed.

      1. not sure people like peter tatchell would agree with you

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 9 Sep 2013, 12:31pm

      Would any of us have told Jews, Gays, Gypsies, and other ‘undesirables’ in Germany in 1939-1945 to stay and fight back? There is a correlation in this surely?

  10. That There Other David 8 Sep 2013, 4:17pm

    The sad thing is, only LBGT adults will be able to go. What about the thousands of Russian LGBT youth? They will not have the option of leaving.

    1. roderious 8 Sep 2013, 4:47pm

      Actualy its only the wealthy LGBT adults who will be able to afford to leave. I know that in theory anyone can claim asylum in ‘the west’ but we all know haw nearly impossible it is for genuine refugees to get assylum in the UK and similar countries.

      1. wealthy people can afford to be gay in russia as long as they dont get in putin’s way

  11. Colin Cass 8 Sep 2013, 4:52pm

    So Putin continues his evil KGB antics ! Crossing that narrow gap between Evil Communism to Evil Fascism where freedom has NO place! The bigot has chosen to Murder LGBT people just as the NAZIS did in the 2nd World War!We must not forget that he has many allies supporting his aims,Most of Black Africa,The Arab World & the Caribbean countries,these are bigots too!

    1. Kathryn Leigh 8 Sep 2013, 11:19pm

      An excuse for ignoring the trampling of freedom,
      Under the banner of “Traditional Values!”.!

      Sounds nice an’ cozy don’t it!

      Unless you happen to be Transgender or female, mixed race, gay, poor, sick or a child.
      No Equal Human Rights for you !

  12. what Masha Gessen says about “Get us the hell out has certainly crossed my mind numerous time. Each time I have seen a confrontation between a protestor or the police in a video, I have hoped that person and others would find a way to exit Russia for their own good.

    Being forced to hide or flee to survive leaving behind family and possessions, is becoming Nazi Germany all over again. The world should not be allowing this atrocity to happen and seems to appear to be sitting back whilst it does.

    If the generations of LGBT Russians are able to flee immediately… what happens to the future youth and children born hear after who have no role models or influences to help them. It seems with each measure that Putin takes he makes the outlook for life for LGBT Russains bleaker with each passing day. It’s as heartbreaking, as it’s frustrating.

    1. Kathryn Leigh 8 Sep 2013, 11:43pm

      There is estimated to be more than seven million gay and lesbian Russians including teens.

      There is no indication this is going to get better any time soon.
      Pukin does not seem the sort of guy who is likely to have an epiphany or sudden attack of guilt.

  13. Can we deploy some planes and boats over to pick up these excluded LGBT’s from Russia and bring them to safety?

    1. And their families too of course, before they have their children taken away from them and families are broken up and destroyed.

  14. Helge Vladimir Tiller 8 Sep 2013, 6:30pm

    A big wave of LGBTQ persons fleeing Russia !? That will never happen, and-if it happens- they will not be accepted as refugees in most ! countries around the world. The majority of these 7 to 10 million gay and transgender persons in Russia do not want to leave their Country. Please don’t misinterpret me ; I hate these new laws in old Russia- I hate the violence and discrimination against my dear sisters and brothers. And I do what I can to show my solidarity, and support gay organizations in my neighbouring country !

    1. Tom (Winnipeg) 8 Sep 2013, 9:22pm

      They are all welcome in Canada, without question.

      1. Helge Vladimir Tiller 9 Sep 2013, 8:35am

        So Canada is the only country that accepts a Russian gay or lesbian person as refugee simply ’cause they say they come from Russia. I can assure you that no country in Europe accepts this as a reason for r. status ! He or she must have additional personal reasons or experiences in order to get permission to stay ! I’ve been active in this sector for more than 30 years. All Scandinavian countries, for instance, return gay refugees from Russia , Belarush and Lithuania back to their countries, unless they have experienced severe violence or suppression. ( They even return gay People to Afghanistan — where the situation is a hundred times worse than in Russia—)

      2. Helge Vladimir Tiller 9 Sep 2013, 8:53am

        In Belarus, the situation for gay persons is getting worse and worse-in some fields it is even worse than in Russia ! But gay and lesbians are being sent back, even from TOP gay friendly Sweden !

  15. Tom (Winnipeg) 8 Sep 2013, 7:44pm

    I would urge everyone to view, closely, the two faces of Putin. Let his cynical treatment of LGBT people be closely watched.

    In pre-Nazi Germany gays were registered, which was meant to be positive. It later became a convenient, vicious tool for the SS, who merely had to round up the gays (30,000). who were sent to concentration camps, and many were shot to death.

    Be extremely wary of Putin’s obvious cynicism. People either are not aware of previous world issues, or they think that history won’t repeat itself. Don’t be too sure!

    1. BlokeToys 8 Sep 2013, 9:20pm

      Indeed, Putin seems to be taking direct instruction from Nazi history. Hitler did exactly the same things in 1930’s Germany, and Russia now has a big chill in media and news.
      Already there are raids and arrests of artists, soon books will be removed from libraries and people defending freedom will be imprisoned.

      I urge everyone to watch some documentaries about the lead up to WW2, the rise of the Nazi party, the methods they used to stir up nationalism and hatred of others. Once you see what Hitler did, you will be SHOCKED by the parallels being seen in Nazi Russia right now.

  16. Russia has a negative population growth problem anyway. So by all means, it might be a good idea to send all their LGBT people to Western Europe (which really needs to cut back on accepting Muslims that openly hate their culture). Countries like Germany could use the population influx and it’s not as if Russia is a great place to live anyway. Putin is building the 21st Century’s first new fascist state.

  17. Barry William Teske 9 Sep 2013, 1:22am

    Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and all Russian peoples need to understand the ideology of hate happening in Russia.It is a tool for destroying everything and anything that brings together humanity’s shared common good.There can be only one ending to hate.Destruction of all from within.The goal of that ideology,as an incitement for unrest will not stop.That common good that makes Russia in itself unique,holds Russia together and moves it forward in its own right?That is the target.Russia’s spirituality is being attacked.I hope Russia,its leaders and its peoples stop and question carefully those motives and messages of hate.What is at stake is Russia’s humanity.Its common good.Russia has a right to its ability to grow,to prosper and its rightful part in humanities shared common good.For anything else to happen would be tragic.

  18. keith francis farrell 10 Sep 2013, 12:21am

    It is useless asking our Prime minister and Presidents to intercede with Russia, they are too worried about the relationships between their countries. What we need top do is fight back, boycott the Olympics and all games held in Russia and all the sponsors, and insist that we will not allow Russia officials into our countries by staging demonstrations outside the Russian embassy. We need to fight back and use our money (tax money) as a means to get our own governments to listen to us. we need to make sure that LGBT people are given asylum in our countries. There seems to be only one way left, and that is for us to take equality by force if necessary. The churches breed hate. They are not Christian. If the are Christian, they would accept us, and insist on equal rights for us, just as they are taught in the bible.

  19. Barry Dennison 15 Sep 2013, 12:42am

    New protest song re-written for Toronto’s “Day of Solidarity 2013” as performed by the singing group, “Choir Choir Choir” with a re-imagined version of Sting’s 1986 song “Russians” as performed at the Toronto International Film Festival.

    Listen or download this powerful “Russian Protest” song with a message directed at Russian President Putin, including, “We can’t sit quietly and ignore your political threats … we don’t believe your lies!”

    A song that also calls for peace and understanding.

    https://soundcloud.com/choir-choir-choir/choir-choir-choir-invites-you

    Discussion group: Plans for the future! https://www.facebook.com/groups/PostSolidarityDay2013/

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