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Where do each of the G20 countries stand on LGBT rights?

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  1. You are being too easy on Germany and Canada.

    Germany, in light of its pink triangle past, should be a leader today and it is not. It still treats gays as second class citizens, with the public support of Chancellor Merkel, for continued second class status.

    Canada’s PM Stephen Harper tried to reverse equal rights in Canada when he was first elected. He failed, but he is still PM and still officially believes Gays do not deserve full equality.. Canada’s good LGBT rep is from the previous Liberal Party.

    Obama speaking out in favour of equal marriage has done more internationally, than any other single thing. Obama made is OK internationally.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 5 Sep 2013, 5:08pm

      Obama’s recent support of equal marriage may have had some influence elsewhere but absolutely no impact or influence on the UK, France or New Zealand. Our conservative PM declared support for it in 2010 prior to the general election and now the law has been passed as of July 17, 2013.

    2. lukefromcanada 6 Sep 2013, 7:10am

      however even though stephen harper may still feel that way (an he hasn’t said really anything on the issue in years, except to insist on not reopneing the debate, it has been 8 years after all) one must remember he failed at that attempt by a large margin.There is even suspicion that he does support it but doesn’t want to alienate his conservative base although why he should care is beyond me. But his attitude towards the treatment of the lgbt community around the world has greatly improved since he became pm

  2. Robert in S. Kensington 5 Sep 2013, 5:04pm

    I don’t quite understand why the UK gets a ‘good’ rating, while Brazil gets a ‘very good’ rating with far fewer rights for LGBT in spite of its unofficially having equal marriage and we’re put on the same footing as the U.S. where 37 states have yet to introduce equal marriage and has not even passed its Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) protecting gay people in employment and not all states have any protections for gay people, whereas the UK several weeks ago prior to the equal marriage bill passing was rated by ILGO to be the best country for LGBT people to live. This makes no sense and is erroneous in my view.

    1. The Bishop 5 Sep 2013, 5:11pm

      On the other hand the men may be hotter and better looking over there if that Miranda guy is anything to go by…

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 5 Sep 2013, 5:46pm

        There are just as many hot good looking men in the UK, plenty in London where I am, not that it would have any impact on where I choose to live. We still have more rights than any gay Brazilian.

    2. I wondered about that too. Surely the U.K. has earned the right to be considered ‘very good’ by now even if marriage equality hasn’t gone into effect yet. I wouldn’t classify the U.S. as any better than ‘fair’ at the national level, though I’m not sure how meaningful rankings like this are with a federal republic like ours, where the situation varies as much from state to state as it does from country to country in Europe.

  3. The Bishop 5 Sep 2013, 5:32pm

    A bit off topic here, but if Russia sells Sarin to Syria (or whatever chemical weapon), as stated by the Sec of State yesterday, and it gets used to kill 400 children, why is action only being contemplated against Syria, and not Russia too, since Russia must have broken the relevant treaty, or international law, if it is indeed true that they have been supplying chemical weapons to Syria.

    Surely, if there is evidence of this, it is enough reason, on top of everything else, to at least reconsider holding the Games there?

  4. I don’t think South Africa deserves a “very good.” Their government and laws are certainly pro-gay but opinion polls have shown that the country as a whole is not as accepting and anti-gay murders and “corrective rape” of lesbians is a really big issue in the country.

    1. Yes, we have problems in South Africa, and I do think we deserve a “very good” . I wouldn’t know which poles you talking about, I personal think majority of South Africans are quiet okay with homosexuals. Probable you know better.

  5. I would mark the US as poor.

    1. Are u from the U.S. ? If you are maybe its best to go to the U.K.

  6. If the UK were to be judged on T rights alone, though it would rank as very poor. Unlike Argentina the right to freedom of gender identity expression is not guaranteed under law which means, amongst other things, that educational establishments can expel students who do not conform to gendered dress codes that they may have and similarly workers can be fired from their jobs (or even not hired at all) merely because they do not conform to an employer’s gendered dress code. This not only discriminates against transgendered and gender non-conformist people but every single person in this country. Recently, for example, an employment appeal tribunal ruled in favour of a high street store which fired a female shop assistant purely because she refused to wear the amount of make-up that they wanted her to wear. Brits go on about oppressive gendered dress codes in places like Iran and Saudi Arabia yet we also have strict gendered dress codes here too.

  7. If we’re going strictly by the opinion of Pink News and portray it in its simplest form we get this:

    pro-lgbt: 10
    anti-lgbt: 9

    That’s a majority voting, and a good thing! Each one will come out the closet one by one and the more people on the “pro” side the more likely those on the “anti” side will re-consider their position.

    However, the owellian ranking system of good, double-good, bad and double-bad are very subjective and questionable.

    Can we really say any countries are a “good” place for LGBT rights, considering every single one of them still posess some form of danger, prejudice or aparteid?

    The ratings of Germany and South Africa for example are very much up for debate !

    Again, it’s entirely subjective, but this is list is a pretty fair one, so it gets the Mr. Pink seal of approval !

    Here’s to a “very good” G20 summit for all parties in the future !

    1. there are only pro- or anti-lgbt? Japan and South Korea are not ‘anti-lgbt’.

  8. Odd…how on earth can the UK be.equal to the USA?

    OK the USA has improved a fair bit recently….but Christ most states have shocking ant LGBT laws plus most don’t have equal marriage. Oh & Fox News, The Christian Right, the Tea Party Movement, Prop 8. The USA should be marked as Fair.

    The UK despite all our faults is vastly more liberal the our chums across the pond.

  9. With all the hatred and venom repeated by a few on this website about chrisians, its interesting to note that 3/3 predominantly atheist countires, 3/3 islamic countries, and only 2/12 christian countries are anti gay.

    1. Tom (Winnipeg) 6 Sep 2013, 12:05am

      Simply because the free progressive countries have a majority of Christian citizens, and the third-world countries are made up of other religions, referred to, cinically, by you as atheistic. It goes without saying that Christians are as venomous, if not more so, except that the basic population is more progressive, and these Christians have no choice but to see society progress before their eyes.

      1. You think japan, china and south korea are third world? They’re the only countries which have a predominant non religious / atheist population – all of which have poor LGBT rights records.

        But you’re right that the free progressive countries do have a majority of christian citizens – 10/12 of which have good and very good LGBT rights records.

        Just so you know, Obama, Cameron, Stephen Harper, Kevin Rudd, and the majority of the other leaders of the other secular countries you mentioned all identify as christian, none of them identify as atheist, (which I presume from your comment is what you identify as?), 1 identifies as agnostic – these christian leaders are the politicians who have pushed for gay rights and given us our freedom. I could name you a few atheist leaders over the last 50 years who have done the very opposite.

    2. I’d be interested to know which one of those listed you consider to be ‘atheistic’. The only one that comes close, is Japan.
      Most of the more secular nations, such as Canada and France, rank high. Which is of course expected given that there’s no logical non-religious reason to discriminate against homosexuals. But if you believe your god condemns it, you have every motive to air your bigoted views.
      If more nations were like the Scandinavians, who’re post religious, the world would be a better, fairer place for all.

      1. I’m not a christian, or muslim, or atheist. So I don’t believe my god/gods/godlessness condemns anything.

        Japan, China and South Korea all have a majority of non religious people, they are all poor on LGBT rights.

        The majorty of people in canada (the PM of canada is an evangelical christian) and france (the president was catholic and is now agnostic) identify as christian. They have good records on LGBT rights. The same is true of the other countries who are pro LGBT rights. Except scandanavia, who isn’t listed.

        The point is that when a country becomes predominantly irreligious like in japan, china and south korea, it doesn’t mean that they become a better place for LGBT people. The most famous political leaders who were atheists were also intolerant of LGBT people.

        It’s a nice dream that once abrahamic religions die out (in about 1000 years) everyone will love LGBT people, but that’s just naive. The best thing to do is build bridges, not burn them.

        1. 58% of Chinese consider themselves religious.
          Similarly, 53.5% of South Koreans consider themselves religious.
          In Japan its 30%
          Only one of the three you list is a predominantly non-religious nation. And neither of the three are considered secular, which is a position I support.
          Trying to sum up nations as ‘atheistic’ is a bad argument. Since being an atheist means very little besides the fact that you don’t believe in any deities. It says nothing about your ethics or your political persuasion. It’s like trying to gauge someone’s opinions on the matters of science, simply because they don’t believe in astrology. Or on chemistry, simply because they reject the idea of alchemy.
          If you told me they were secular, and anti-gay, I would pay more attention.
          Also you say the majority of people in Canada identify as ‘christian’. Your point? I said Canada was a secular society. Don’t mix up secularism with atheism. It is possible, as most religious people happen to be, both ……cont

          1. Most religious people in the west are BOTH secular and religious. Just because you have a religious belief, it doesn’t automatically bar you from being secular.
            Secularism simply means that no special privileges are given to religious arguments in the public square simply because they’re religious.
            Secularism doesn’t exclude religious views.
            The alternative is to incorporate religious doctrine into law and politics. Very few, religious or not, want that.
            If more people understood what secularism was, you’d find a lot more people claiming to be secular. They are in principle anyway. Very few people want to live their lives according to scripture or church authority in the west, any more.
            So to clarify, France, Canada, Britain, USA and so on, are all secular, regardless of peoples religious beliefs.
            Though fortunately, that’s in decline too.

  10. this list is so arbitrary and completely pointless. Even before equal marriage, ILGA-Europe has consistently placed the UK at the top of the European league table for LGBTI equality and legal protection.

    Having a broadly positive government isn’t enough to make a country “good” to be LGBT in if there are no anti-discrimination laws or equal protection under the law, or homophobia is rife in society.

    It’s not a linear scale from the death penalty for homosexuality to same-sex marriage. There’s much more to it than that.

    And the exclusion of trans* issues from considering a country’s record on LGBT equality isn’t on.

    1. I think IGLA placed Sweden at the top of the list and 71% of the population supported same-sex marriage in 2006.

      1. Not just equal marriage, but the full works, which includes asylum and immigration rights, freedom of assembly, laws on gender recognition, hate crime, equality and non-discrimination, adoption and artificial insemination as well as recognition of same-sex relationships. The UK scored 77% this year, just before the equal marriage bill passed, which is higher than any other European country. If you’re going to compare G20 countries, it should be done in a similar way, not with meaningless “good”/”poor” rankings based on prepositions and a quick read of wikipedia. See http://www.ilga-europe.org/home/publications/reports_and_other_materials/rainbow_europe it has a score card for every European country

  11. Wasn’t there a recent study that said the UK had the best LGBT rights in the EU? And that was before we passed gay marriage.

    I think the UK deserves a ‘Very Good’ rating at this point. All 3 major parties are strong LGBT rights supporters, the population is generally very tolerant and our laws are very good.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 6 Sep 2013, 12:29pm

      Absolutely, I agree. And yes, the ILGA report issued several weeks did place the UK at the top of the list as best place for LGBT rights within the EU. I think we scored the highest figure of 77% compared to the rest.

      http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/05/13/uk-is-the-best-place-in-europe-to-be-gay/

  12. MattISaTOOL 6 Sep 2013, 1:50am

    Yea this article suggest that if a country legalises gay marriage then the nation must be LGBT friendly.( even if the nation ignores other LGBT rights or public opinion…

    In my opinion
    1) Canada-
    2 Britain –
    3 Australia
    4 france/Germany
    5 Argentina
    6 USA
    7) brazil
    8)Mexico
    9) South africa
    10) Italy
    11) South korea
    12) Japan
    13)Turkey
    14)China
    15) India
    16)Russia
    17) Indonesia
    18 Saudi arabi

    1. MattISaTOOL 6 Sep 2013, 1:52am

      Japan IS probably higher then south Korea actually..

    2. Australia at 3???
      Australia is a civil rights backwater. Legislation is notoriously slow to catch up with the rest of the world (the last anti gay laws to be repealed were Tasmania 1999). Politicians refuse to allow concience votes on gay rights, opting instead for block voting on party lines. Recognition of relationships is haphazard depending on which state. None allow marriage. Repeated attempts to make it the equal and fair country it claims to be have failed.
      All it has going for it is a tolerantish population which lets the gays out once a year for a huge party. There have been numerous political attempts to divert the mardi gras into a “diversity celebration’ focusing on multiculturalism instead of LGBT issues.
      Schools still actively engage in ex-gay “therapy” and maintain homophobic policy, and it appears to be a big growth area for those therapies in the adult population.
      Just because it has a big loud and extremely profitable bash every year doesnt make it a LGBT leader.

  13. Benjamin Bee 6 Sep 2013, 6:31am

    Who told you LGBT situation in Brazil is “very good”? In 2013, untill august, 200 hundred LGBT people have been murdered. Evangelical fundamentalists fight against LGBT rights in Congress and Dilma Rousseff, the Brazil’s president absolutely don’t care about that. See

    http://homofobiamata.wordpress.com

    1. Benjamin Bee 6 Sep 2013, 6:35am

      I mean “2 hundred” not 200 “hundred”. Else, Argentina is too much better for LGBT community than Brazil. I’m brazilian ativist.

  14. The top three countries in the EU are the Czech Republic, Spain and Germany ? I’d have thought that Sweden, Denmark and the Netherlands would have been at the top, they have been in other polls. Mind you I suppose different polls come out with different results.

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