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  1. Thank you. Brilliant. I completely agree. Russia deserves much criticism but there are a lot of other places that are equally deserving and don’t get it.

    1. The problem with countries like Iran and Jamaica are that LGBT rights haven’t even begun there yet, sexism and religion still have a death grip on their societies and so they will not be influenced by international opinion, whereas in Russia LGBT rights and acceptance have been acklowedged and now they are just taking steps back

      Additionally, the patterns taking place in Russia regarding the scapegoating and demonizing of LGBT people are similar to that of Nazi germany in the 1930’s as many have pointed out and so from a politcal point of view Russia deserves international attention for that reason alone. Not to mention the Olympics taking place next year also.

  2. I believe that Russia is more deserving of coverage due to it’s position in the world. Russia is relatively wealthy (though that wealth does not filter too well from the Kremlin to the people), it holds dominating ranks in several international organizations, and through their connections with the former Soviet Union and orthodox christian nations, they can and will export their politics and lean on other countries. Such as Armenia and it’s now failed ‘gay propaganda’ proposal.
    Places like Jamaica are not in the same position, they are neither rich enough nor strong enough to encourage LGBT abuse beyond their own borders in any way whatsoever, especially not with the USA so close.
    Iran is an abusive nation surrounded by abusive nations. They too cannot encourage hostility to LGBT people, though that is only because it exists in abundance around them.
    And Belarus. Well. Belarus might as well be Russia, for as much of it’s very existence as a dictatorship depends on the Kremlin’s favor.

  3. A welcome article. The events in Russia are well worth the widespread condemnation, but – especially very recently – it’s become a bit of a bandwagon, centred on the bloody Olympics: you can sure if it weren’t for these wretched games few people would be paying much attention. So it’s good to be reminded that other nations might have equally shoddy (or worse) approaches to LGBT rights.

  4. Helge Vladimir Tiller 3 Sep 2013, 8:57pm

    I agree with you ! Thank you for mentioning Iran. If not the practice and thw laws you mention are sufficient for the judge to return a guilty verdict, he looks deep into the Sharia system to find additional support in order to judge a person for homosexuality or homosexual feelings ! Activists say that The Islamic Republic of Iran has executed between 6000 and 9000 gays and lesbians ( +transgender persons ) since 1979 ! I remember from the beginning of 19 80 and a few years afterwards that a wave of executions took place in Iran ( LGBT People ). Often, when a man is convicted of rape of another man or boy, also the victim get executed. Because Islamic Law in Iran is more aggressive towards the passive part in sodomy. Crazy but true ! It is important to focus on Russia–but it is a hundred times more hard for gay People in Iran and other Islamic countries !

  5. Helge Vladimir Tiller 3 Sep 2013, 9:19pm

    Legal !! Treatment of Homosexuality in Iran :
    Iranian queers have well founded fears of persecution based on their sexual orientation or gender identity. The Penal Code of the Islamic Republic of Iran, which is based on strict Sharia Law, permits the punishment of queer people by lashing, hanging, stoning,cutting in half by a sword, or dropping from a tall building or cliff. Additionally, under Fiqh, Islamic jurisprudence used in conjunction with Sharia law, homosexuality is punishable by beheading or burning alive. THIS IS-even if some ot these horrible reactions very seldom occur-still LEGAL in Iran !

    1. The religion of peace!

      1. You know what Islam actually means when translated into english? submission!

        1. Actually, in english Islam means “I inject illicit drugs intravenously”

    2. Gender reassignment surgery is also legal and free in Iran…so technically they’re not persecuted by the goverment

      1. Helge Vladimir Tiller 4 Sep 2013, 8:43am

        Free ! Because they only accept TWO SEXES ! And urge trans people that doesn’t want reassignment surgery to go through this in spite of their own will ! IRAN DO NOT ACCEPT TRANSGENDER PEOPLE: Many of those who have been operated are “ordinary” gays and lesbians. They have gone through this just to have – THEY THINK !- a better situation in society. Many end up as prostitutes-NOW being more suppressed than ever. This is the fact both for transsexual and gay people in Iran. Surgeons earn big money due to this practice.

      2. It’s also because they hope to remove any threat by encouraging even gay men to undergo gender reassignment and become that most powerless thing in their society, an unmarried and childless woman. It’s certainly not a sign of an enlightened social attitude.

  6. The only reason Turkey is doing this is to improve their chance to join the EU.

    1. Dimitris T 7 Sep 2013, 11:29am

      Repeatedly the Greek Government is saying “this and that is for those to enter the EU, they do not refer to us”, ie we have burrowed in and we never gonna change.I think it is well time to pressurize Greece, one of the most hostile against gays in EU (the old 17, but now even worse than many of the new 27).

  7. Yes religion, is the instigator and Russia is trying to imbed “traditional values” in international institutions too, including the UN, it is time to wake up to this.
    The same mind set is also in Turkey, Jamaica and Iran different religions but the same underlying cause.
    If you think putting sexual orientation into the constitution will stop these religious traditional values fanatics from realising their goals you are deluding your self. The main reason for the social unrest in Turkey was the imposition of state power and the increasing de-secularisation of Turkish society. If you do not have religious pluralism and freedom to criticise those beliefs, and to question accepted orthodoxy in other matters, a freedom not to conform – with those freedoms accepted by and within the state and society then all the constitutions in history are to no effect.

  8. contd…….. If you do not have a free society, oppression is inevitably used to maintain the status quo, “traditional values” are used to over-ride human rights

  9. if we take down the angry bear (Russia), the nasty little dogs will think twice before taking on the gay community going forward. Just like the Jewish community today, not many countries would try to go against them.

  10. The Britsh media seem to be afraid of upsetting Putin. Its shameful, we need the same kind of reporting that we had in South Africa regarding Olympics…

  11. Benjamin Bee 4 Sep 2013, 12:39am

    All forces LGBTs in homophobic countries legally or not, must retreat from their actions to self preservation and invest only in the repeal of the law Mizulina in Russia and until terminated (except for Brazil which must simultaneously fight for No. 122 – equating homotransfobia racism ready to vote in parliament). A good strategy is to block the advance of anti gay laws in Russia until they fall, a fact that will undermine similar attempts in other countries. Only we resume our activities pro LGBT forbidden world after the total isolation of Putin or revocation of Mizulina.

    Do not disperse forces with bad strategy to draw attention to countries where there are still serious problems that only now, because of the backlash Russian are surfacing.

  12. I don’t disagree with your point but do you have suggestions of how to get mainstream media to talk about LGBT issues generally or LGBT treatment in countries like this? When was the last time you saw ANY coverage of Belarus or Jamaica? How about anything in Iran since the presidential elections?

    The media bandwidth seems to be entirely taken up with celebrity break-ups, marriages, births (I’ll be gracious and say that I ignored ALL coverage of the one who will be king in 80 years) or the Middle East hotspot of the week. I have no idea how LGBT issues can moved up the priority list.

    1. Helge Vladimir Tiller 4 Sep 2013, 8:55am

      Like Your comment, Hue-Man !

  13. An excellent article – and lets not forget other nations in this hideous league of evil when it comes to viscous and stupid anti-gay oppression – Nigeria and Jamaica. All of these nations need kicking out into the cold of world isolation and condemnation, they are worse than South Africa of the 1980s. If they want to behave like ignorant half witted fools they should be treated accordingly.

  14. Jose Merentes 4 Sep 2013, 1:03pm

    And Cameroon and Saudi Arabia and Ghana…?

  15. The comment about Turkey in the article is either naive either ignorant..the ruling party in Turkey is an islamic party, a neo-ottoman (wishing to restore the values of the theocratic ottoman empire), which recently banned alcohol in public places.
    Have you been to any place in Turkey adn show public affection to realize the consequences? 30miles away from the well polished touristy seaside places, gay people are still stoned to death or killed in pride crimes..

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