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Greg Mulholland MP says Lib Dem MPs ‘pilloried’ in party for voting against equal marriage

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  1. Greg Mulholland, you are homophobic. Does that hurt your feelings? Diddums – it doesn’t hurt nearly as much as facing homophobia

    1. Can this stop now please. There is real and potent homophobia that results in devastated lives, suicide and horrible discrimination. It used to be what all gay people experienced in the UK a generation ago and it was awful beyond belief. Thankfully it is mostly a thing of the past. But I am seeing increasingly a tendency by young gay people who have experienced hardly any hate directed at them touting around the word “homophobe” as a cheap shot thrown at people they disagree with. It just cheapens the word and belittles the suffering some of us had to overcome.

      1. There are no degrees of homophobia. You either are or you aren’t. No one should get a free pass, even it they were elected or seem somewhat well educated. In fact, someone in a public position with these ‘soft’ homophobic arguments, can affect many more people’s opinions than some crazy who attacks a gay man in an alley. His narrow views should be called out. If not, then ordinary people will continue to thinks of us as lesser.

  2. I don’t particularly have a problem with Lib Dem MPs being “pilloried” for voting against party policy and against a bill which bent over backwards to accommodate the concerns of those religions who didn’t want to carry out same-sex marriage.

    The fact is that the vast majority of Greg’s colleagues voted for the legislation, meaning that overall the Coalition voted in favour despite opposition from the majority of Tories.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 30 Aug 2013, 12:16pm

      But even the majority of Tories wasn’t a significant margin, excluding abstentions and those who didn’t turn up, certainly not an overwhelming one based on the actual numbers of those who actually voted against it. What surprised many of us were the number of those who voted for it.

  3. “Pilloried” they should be thrown out of the party into the Tories; which bit of Liberal don’t these catholic and christian loons understand.

  4. Jock S. Trap 30 Aug 2013, 12:13pm

    Can’t help thinking this kind of headline and report panders more to the Daily Mail than PinkNews.

    I think we can take their version of ‘pilloried’ and the real meaning as separate.

  5. davevauxhall 30 Aug 2013, 12:15pm

    I’m not homophobic but….. I do believe in this form of prejudice and discrimination and I know it will hurt some gay people but ultimately I believe in some wacky way although I can’t prove how that not allowing marriage for same sex couples makes heterosexual couples marriages better. I think that about sums it up.

    1. And I really have to take take my guidance from the Head of the Vatican City State.

  6. That There Other David 30 Aug 2013, 12:20pm

    They don’t represent the values the party was built upon, namely that the state should stay out of the ways of individual freedom.

    Think what you like Greg, but don’t try and use the law to enforce that. If you can’t understand that, what the Hell are you doing in the Lib Dems?

  7. They deserve to be pilloried for beong vicious hateful bigots.

    Their moronic religious beliefs do not trump equal civil rights.

    We must do everything possoble to ensure that these bigot scumbags do not get re-elected.

  8. Robert in S. Kensington 30 Aug 2013, 12:24pm

    Hmmmm, he rejects hate in all forms? What does he think opposition to the Marriage Bill was all about, especially when one listened to the likes of Simon Hughes and Tory bigots Burrowes, Loughton, Howarth, Dorries, Bone(head), Gale and others of their ilk Supporting CPs doesn’t mean they’re not homophobic either. The majority in their party voted against those at the time and now suddenly they’re all for them as long as it meant no marriage bill.

    I agree that the bill is flawed but the wrecking amendment he introduced was essentially that. At least now those wrecking components will be addressed over the coming months.

    Let’s hope those in the LIb Dem party who voted against the bill will be ousted in the next election, ditto Labour and Tory especially those in unsafe constituencies.

  9. Mr Mulholland, if you are unsure about the meaning of the word “pilloried”, you might like to watch some of the videos coming from Russia in which gay men are held against their will and physically assaulted for public entertainment. That is a modern-day pillory.

    What happened to you and several of your colleagues is that you were criticised – sometimes robustly – for opposing equality and for misrepresenting your tactics, as you did with Mr Pryor.

    If that hurts your feelings, find another job. Keep your pity party for those who deserve it.

    1. Well said.

  10. Freedom of conscience has not been pushed out of the debate. it was a free vote and people like Mulholland revealed themselves to be anti-equality. If their fellow party members and, more importantly, voters feel that being anti-equality is not a quality they want in their Liberal Democrat MPs, that’s democracy.

  11. Poor sod. He is so totally brainwashed by his religion that he is unable to think rationally. You are ‘homophobic’ simply because of religious dogma – not for reasons of ‘conscience’ – you pillock. Grow up and stop allowing silly fairy stories to influence you on important human rights issues of ‘equality’.

  12. Freedom of conscience means if you don’t agree with same sex marriage you don’t have to marry a same sex partner, it is not a freedom pass to prevent other people from marrying their same sex partners which is how some of these religious bigots would like to interpret it.

  13. Derek Williams 30 Aug 2013, 12:39pm

    I am always surprised when some MP’s don’t behave as though they’re in the spotlight every minute of every day and must be accountable for their opinions and their behaviour.

    Public office is what its name connotes, “public”.

  14. one thing for the future is to quiz any parliamentary candidate who purports to be a catholic and ensure that they will ignore their church’s bigoted social teaching when it conflicts with people’s human rights or party policy. if they can’t say that then there is no place for them in a party committed to human rights.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 30 Aug 2013, 1:47pm

      Well, there are also many Anglicans in Parliament who voted against the bill. They are the ones who led the majority of the opposition, primarily the Tory backbenchers represented by Burrowes and Loughton.

      That said, Mulholland and others voted against his own party’s platform and principles, the only party officially endorsing equal marriage. He should resign and join the Tories or UKIP.

      1. I agree that the question should be asked of religious believers generally. But the catholic church is particularly dangerous having regard to its stance on abortion and other civil rights.

      2. Read the article again, Mulholland voted for not against

  15. We need to flush these people out of the party. Another anti-gay nutcase complaining that people don’t like him for being a bigot. This argument is getting old.

  16. Metsän poika 30 Aug 2013, 1:15pm

    Greg Mulholland, I am so sorry that you had to experience being pilloried. It must feel awful to suffer this for holding a simple, harmless point of view that could harm anyone.

    You f*cking pissant, what are you expecting you dumb f#ck. You get this response for holding a view, a point of view that should change when you get INFORMED and practice empathy. You are UNBELIEVABLY insensitive, how do you think we feel living with being PILLORIED for what we ARE, something we DON’T choose and CAN’T change. We have to suffer the PILLORYING by you and your f*cking illinformed mates every single day of our lives – the missed opportunities, the exclusion, the prejudice, the mental anguish, the exclusion, the rejection, the humiliation ….. and then there are the suicides.

    Your SELF-PITY makes me SICK, I hope you drown in your self pity, you PATHETIC ‘little’ excuse of a human being.

    1. Metsän poika 30 Aug 2013, 1:20pm

      PS Greg Mullholland, you have made me really angry1

  17. Andy Myles 30 Aug 2013, 1:23pm

    I can understand Greg being angry at being called homophobic. I can assure anyone, most definitely, knowing him well, that he is not. I agree with him, also, that this Act did NOT create equality. It created a dog’s breakfast. I’d have voted for the Act at third – but only after I had tried to sort out the legal mess it created. Over-simplifying the debate and polarising it into taking sides, is about as much use as having a squabble in the school playground.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 30 Aug 2013, 1:55pm

      I strongly disagree. All of the flaws he raised during third reading were debated in committee and rejected but assurances were given that they would be looked at after passage of the bill. He already knew that as did all of them in the House. It served nothing more than an attempt to wreck the bill.

      Tory bigot Loughton also raised the issue of CPs for straights, yet for the past nine years, he did nothing to campaign for them but claimed he supported them for gays at the time he law was enacted. I don’t think he was an MP in 2004 anyway. If the marriage bill hadn’t been introduced, Loughton would not have been doing anything for straights having access to CPs.

    2. Whether a homophobe or not, he has a lot of sympathy for homophobes, presumably because he is a catholic and is conditioned to do as he is told. Anyone not suffering from the mental illness which is extremist religion would quite rightly pilory the likes of teather, who did as her church told her (that’s all “conscience” means in this context).

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 30 Aug 2013, 4:01pm

        He has no concept as do all those those who voted against the bill what being pilloried really means. He should try looking at his church, almost two thousands years of pilloring gay men and the CoE with almost five hundred years of it, all ongoing.

  18. Good! Those in power who believe in talking snakes, women turned to condiment, men living in giant fish, sea monsters, ghosts, satyrs and even unicorns SHOULD be robustly mocked, pilloried and – optimally – removed from places of influence until they bloody outgrow fairy tales.

  19. Pope Greg as he likes to be called when with the catholic mafia in the junction otley is a hypocrite and also
    Voted for the government last night – he’s homophobic and would have gays rounded up and shot but then there would be no catholic priests left

  20. Good! These so called MPs don’t represent their constituents they are pushing their own (superstition based) agenda -

  21. Greg likes to be called pope when at the junction otley with the catholic mafia – he would round up all gays but then there would be no catholic priests left and he voted for the government yesterday

  22. I don’t call them liberal !!

    1. Sandgroper 30 Aug 2013, 3:32pm

      Neither do I, I call them ‘carbuncles’ – angry, white and full of pus.

  23. ItchycooMark 30 Aug 2013, 2:54pm

    Greg Mullholland, me and millions like me spent our youth and chunks of our adult life being “pilloried” because of attitudes like yours, so shut the f**k up and stop moaning

  24. john lyttle 30 Aug 2013, 3:06pm

    He’s entitled to vote against and everyone else – colleagues included – are entitled to think he’s a overweening idiot because of it, and treat him as such. No point in boo hooing or claiming martyrdom over it. If he’s that much of a baby, leave not only politics but leave life.

  25. I think LibDems who voted against the marriage bill should be pilloried. They betrayed the party’s principles and made many people (including me) conclude that the party cannot ever be trusted to actually govern.

  26. Many of the libdem MPs who voted against equal marriage went out of their way to be truly and utterly abnoxious about it. Many lab MPs voted against equal marriage but they kept their mouth shut and didn’t come out with publicly nasty, hitler-like reason to object to SSM. Greg, Sarah , Hugh and Shirley Williams showed their true colours that what really mattered to them was their Catholic religious and their own beliefs. They didn’t care about what SSM meant to society, to the electorate, their party or gay people….they were all selfish c*unts!

    1. I think there was just more of a spotlight on the “Liberal” antis than on those from those on their right in Labour, the Unionists and the Tories. And of course the Labour whips are much more focused on control and command where the Liberals’ philosophy leads to a more publicly outspoken debate.

  27. barriejohn 30 Aug 2013, 4:18pm

    If you represent a party with the word “liberal” as part of its name and then turn out to be a bigot, I think you might expect some criticism!

  28. “Liberal Democrats” who vote against same-sex marriage have no place being in the Liberal Democrats. The clue is in the name. Voting against equality is neither liberal nor democratic when the majority of the country support it.

  29. Cry me a riverrrrrr! Go from a Catholic party and officially declare your pathetic allegiance to the Vatican. And stop being disingenuous “liberals” seeking public career in a democratic country that defends equal rights for all.

    1. Go *form.

  30. Mike Homfray 30 Aug 2013, 6:12pm

    I should think so too. I hope that Labour MP’s who voted against make no further advancement

  31. Slightly sub point, but Sarah Teather has always been a hopeless saddo homophobe. Religion appears to be the place to run and hide if you are a bigot. She is exactly that.
    She was always seen as a rubbish councillor in Islington and she is a rubbish MP. Drippy and dopey sums her up.

    1. As one of her constituents, I can but agree :-(

  32. Play the world’s smallest violin, Mr Mulholland.

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