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Bishop of Honolulu: Equal marriage could lead to polygamy and incest

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  1. Yeh Yeh- we’ve heard it all before.

    1. Godric Godricson 26 Aug 2013, 2:07pm

      He has no moral Authority to speak.

  2. He is a catholic bishop.

    Is he a child rapist?

    Has he protected child rapists.

    In light of what he does for a living these are questions that need to be asked.

    1. He does use the term “minor with consent” only a Catholic priest would think a minor could consent. The reason we differentiate between minors and adults is because we accept a minor cannot consent. Revealing mistake.

    2. Sister Mary Clarence 26 Aug 2013, 1:17pm

      There is now a wealth of data to show that even if the good Bishop hasn’t got his c0ck up a kiddie, statistically he’s far more likely to know someone who does.

      That being the case, personally I don’t consider him or his friends in any position to be providing moral guidance to anyone.

      When the Catholic church sorts out its disgraceful behaviour in relation to sexual abuse of children maybe I will look at it again, but we are not even at the stage where they will admit what’s going on.

      I’m not very churchy myself, but I’m sure Catholics believe that confession is the first step (or at least one of the steps) to forgiveness/absolution/retribution (or some such).

  3. I really wish they’d stop using the same ridiculous arguments over and over again, the material is getting incredibly stale. Can’t they at least entertain us with something new, like the notion that same sex marriage will lead to people marrying toasters?

    1. nixiotemba 26 Aug 2013, 1:08pm

      I thought the stupid suicide argument was new

      1. More kids commit suicide because of religious braniwashing than anything else. If religion didn’t spread its vile ‘taboos’ about being gay, perhaps kids could grow up (a) without any mental concerns over ‘being different’ and (b) the constant religiously-inspired bullying they encounter because they are. Organised religion continues to proove itself as the most devisive, vile, vindictive influence with which the modern world has to contend. We’d all be better off without it.

    2. Oh, did you miss the recent “gays can’t marry because they don’t look into each other’s eyes during sex” argument? That was new.

      http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/08/19/mexico-politician-rejects-equal-marriage-as-gay-people-dont-look-each-other-in-the-eye-during-sex/

      In fact, that was a revolutionary breakthrough in anti-gay rhetorics, opening up a whole new family of fresh and exciting homophobic arguments. How about this:

      “Gays shouldn’t be allowed to marry because they never talk to each other. How are they supposed to raise children if they don’t say a word? They wouldn’t even be able to ask to pass the salt at the family table.”

  4. I swear these men in frocks make these ridiculous statements because they have ambitions to eventually be Pope some day. Keep it conservative and rise to the very top.

    1. Isn’t it scum that rises to the top? I rest my case!!!

      1. Wahahaha… well said!

  5. Sister Mary Clarence 26 Aug 2013, 1:09pm

    Bless you for that Bishop.

    More worrying though of course is that being a senior member of the Catholic church, can lead to child abuse and paedophilia.

    And to draw a fact or two into the argument – there are none to show your point, but increasing amounts of data to show the incidence of child abuse and paedophilia amongst Catholic church employees is massively higher than amongst other groups (including gay people getting, or wanting to get ,married).

    Instead of talking sh1t, perhaps you might want to turn your attentions to alleviating that abuse, or if you to keep ignoring that, perhaps hunger and starvation, or sickness and disease, poverty, war ….. in fact there are so many real issues you could focus on.

    If there is a heaven and hell, it is my sincerely held belief that intolerant bigots that preach hate (that’s you I’m referring to), with be going downstairs rather than upstairs

  6. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Aug 2013, 1:13pm

    I challenge the Catholic hierarchy to come forward with the evidence that equal marriage has produced incestuous and polygamous marriages. Where is it Bishop Silva? The Netherlands has had SSM for twelve years. Surely, wouldn’t that be long enough for these perverts to dig up any evidence? Why haven’t they?

    The hierarchy’s obsession with incest and polygamy as well as sexual activity in general speaks volumes. They have some nerve making moral pronouncements given their track record of paedophilia and covering it up for decades. They and their vile cult are morally bankrupt in my opinion. Delusional loons.

    1. Decades? I would have thought that the word ‘centuries’ would have been more suitable.

  7. More of the same illogical non sequiturs from a man supposed to be educated and informed.

    Consider the proposition: “Every man in a purple dress must either be a transvestite or a drag queen.”

    It’s rubbish of course but no less illogical than trying to suggest that: “When schools have dances, boys will have the choice of inviting a girl on a date or another boy on a date. Our youth, whose sexual identity is formed over time, will be forced to decide prematurely if they are heterosexual or homosexual, thus curtailing normal sexual maturation, with all its stumblings and challenges”.

    a. That has nothing to do with equal marriage.

    b. It follows that no boys and girls should ever ask anyone out to anything until they are fully sexually mature and aware. (Who decides? Priests? After extensive examination?)

    It makes those of us still fond of the church they grew up in, groan with despair when such blatant nonsense emanates from such a dim prelate.

    1. lostinfrance 26 Aug 2013, 5:47pm

      and in his logic, my strict catho-hetero education failed….. thankfully I did not seek solace in the church

  8. Tim Hanafin 26 Aug 2013, 1:44pm

    Same sex marriage may also lead to fewer people mistaking their homosexuality for a religious vocation and going into the priesthood only to later express their sexuality in other disastrous ways.

    1. Guglielmo Marinaro 26 Aug 2013, 4:05pm

      That’s a very important point, Tim. I’m sure that there are many gay men trapped in the priesthood as a result of making that mistake. Cardinal O’Brien is only the most well-known example.

  9. Yawn, Yawn – yeah Bishop all your fellow bigots have run with that old chestnut already – at least find a new hatred to rain down on us….. Fool!

  10. That There Other David 26 Aug 2013, 1:57pm

    “When schools have dances, boys will have the choice of inviting a girl on a date or another boy on a date. Our youth, whose sexual identity is formed over time, will be forced to decide prematurely if they are heterosexual or homosexual, thus curtailing normal sexual maturation, with all its stumblings and challenges.”

    The Bishop’s answer appears to be to decide for the youth, and to decide that they are all straight.

    Classy argument, Bishop.

    1. PantoHorse 27 Aug 2013, 3:22pm

      Yeah, that’s what struck me too. Surely the option to take either a boy or a girl to a dance goes some way towards preventing premature decisions and goes a long way towards supporting LGBT youth who are coming to terms with their sexuality? Such a numpty thing to say.

  11. Oh dear, and to think, just yesterday we had some apologists whining at how mean we are to call out the faithful on their hateful mendacious nonsense.

    If he was capable of intellectual honesty (hardly, he is one small step above believing in leprechauns) he would realise that he is lying through his teeth and citing things that are not only npt based in orientation, but which are overwhelmingly heterosexual in nature anyway (just look at the nations where polygamy is still practiced).

    Have to wonder if the cretins in silly hats have a checklist of intellectual incontinence to dribble their way through each time. These “arguments” are nothing but hate dog whistles, with no foundation, thoroughly debunked over many years.

    But then he is a ridiculous absurdity of a man who believes in talking snakes, women turned to condiment, men living in big fish, ghosts, satyrs, sea monsters and all that babbling braindead hogwash.

    1. With respect I would find leprechauns much easier to believe than the Catholic churcg

  12. Long as it doesn’t lead to Catholicism and the Vatican!

  13. David Waite 26 Aug 2013, 2:08pm

    Too bad there is no organization which has kept track of all the parishes where a mouthy bishop has served as a priest. Such an organization could post ads in the newspapers covering those parishes, asking former alterboys to come forward if they’ve been molested by the bishop when he was a priest.

  14. “Our school textbooks will have to portray sexual attraction as normal, no matter to whom one is attracted.”

    Yes, and?

  15. If you look at he Old Testament (which is part of the revealed scripture of Christianity) there’s a lot of polygamy and incest. So what’s new?

  16. Womandrogyne 26 Aug 2013, 2:52pm

    Well, since heterosexual marriage sometimes leads to those things, there’s no reason to assume non-heterosexual marriage never will – but by that logic, he should just be against marriage, full stop.

    1. Obviously as he is a priest he isn’t for marriage personally at all.
      Mr Larry Silva needs to shut up about things he has no experience of, he has no expertise to offer regarding marriage.

  17. It is false to say that a parent raises their child to be attracted to anyone.

    A child is attracted to someone or no one
    only due to their internal biology and psychology. Whatever influence a parent may have on this process is not a process of teaching or raising at all.

  18. Well, Bishop, We have no evidence that marriage equality leads to anything of the sort. We do, however, have ample evidence that ‘abstinence makes the church grow fondlers.’

    Perhaps you and your ilk should focus on cleaning up your own house, and leave matters of civil equality to those suited and charged with the task.

  19. Chris J Higham 26 Aug 2013, 3:10pm

    Equal marriage could lead to polygamy and incest can it.
    What about being a priest and praying on young children. Shouldn’#t we do something to stop that as well !!!!

  20. These are suppose to be so well educated men….how can they be saying things so thick….

    1. They may be well educated, but education is not necessarily a good indicator of intelligence.

  21. Yawn. More of the same rubbish.

  22. All religious celibates are sexually and emotionally unhealthy. Thanks for the the advice, Larry, but I think I’ll pass. Love the pink frock, by the way.

  23. Isa Kocher 26 Aug 2013, 3:29pm

    yeah. so does drinking milk. or breathing. or going to church. but we know for sure going to church leads to raping children.

  24. Christopher in Canada 26 Aug 2013, 3:36pm

    Seeing as both are already happening, I suggest the good bishop find another explanation for a cause.

  25. *YAWN* these people really are getting incredibly tiresome

  26. WHEN will these idiot clerics [a] cease pronouncing about things they clearly know nothing about, and [b] if they are going to make wild claims (which have all been made before and have proven false) at least offer some evidence!!! Oh! Sorry, Your Eminence – there is NO evidence! You’re just, like so many of your kind, talking out of the wrong pair of cheeks!!!

  27. When are these silly adherents of the cult of Rome going to understand that people are born with a sexuality and they CAN’T be raised to be straight, gay or bisexual?

    I’m for basing my opinions on this subject on SCIENCE and not mumbo jumbo from the man in the sky!

    It’s all to do with how genes are expressed in the human body. This stupid Bishop needs to go on google and put in the words epimarks and homosexuality or epi genes and homosexuality.

    1. After living in Hawaii for 25 years, we recently moved to Seattle and a 56 year engagement ended when we
      got married a few weeks ago…..thanks for the information bishop, now I look forward to marrying my cat and my nephew. Fool!!
      Also, don’t underestimate the power of the catholic and mormon cults in Hawaii, they have much power

      1. Don’t forget the aforementioned toaster. Long-term, your wanton lifestyle will inevitably lead to marrying your toaster.

  28. Guglielmo Marinaro 26 Aug 2013, 4:10pm

    “When schools have dances, boys will have the choice of inviting a girl on a date or another boy on a date.”

    OMG, how bloody shocking, I’m sure.

  29. Staircase2 26 Aug 2013, 4:32pm

    Bloody idiot…

  30. GingerlyColors 26 Aug 2013, 4:43pm

    What a stupid comparison. Look at all these countries where they do have polygamy and arranged marriages between cousins yet continue to criminalize gay sex.

  31. Christopher Coleman 26 Aug 2013, 4:52pm

    The dear bishop poses a lot of questions, but not the most important one: Why are religious bodies tax exempt?

  32. “When schools have dances, boys will have the choice of inviting a girl on a date or another boy on a date.”
    GOOD!! About bloody time too!

    1. Just as an addendum, When I was at school, if I’d invited another boy to a school disco, I’d likely have been beaten to a pulp. Probably by students AND teachers. Which is why I rarely went to any.

    2. If it were not for religious homophobia and mental conditioning, boys would have been inviting boys to dances for thousands of years – as they no doubt did in Greek and Roman times. We had a wonderful Pompeii guide. She told us, “Pompeii was a sex resort. People came from all over the Empire to have fun. Men with men, women with women. And then, Christianity came along and ruined everything”! Say no more ……

  33. SOS.. same old sh$%t.. and the sky will fall, and the sun wont shine, and the earthquakes are to blame on us… mind you,, if that istn enough, there are conservative commenatators that believe we are empty people.. who need to emulate the hetrosexual world to fulfill our needs.. a BIGOT will always find something stupid to say..

  34. Idiot,

    On polygamy, he might want to read up on King Solomon. Or any number of other kings and patriarchs.

    As for incest, I have a question for the Bishop: Who did Adam and Eve’s children marry?

    1. Helge Vladimir Tiller 26 Aug 2013, 7:45pm

      Eachother !

  35. You mean: Lead to biblical values?

  36. And stupidity could lead to religion.

    1. Helge Vladimir Tiller 26 Aug 2013, 7:47pm

      —and vice versa-

  37. Why even give these backwards idiots air time?

  38. As usual, makes me ask, what’s so wrong with consensual adult incest. Legalizing it doesn’t make child molestation, rape, domestic violence or forced marriages suddenly legal.

  39. Of course, I always take very seriously the views on marriage of someone who is celibate. They are experts on how ‘normal’ people live there lives. He fails to explaim the onvious connection between celibacy and child-mollestation. These people are best ignored as the pathetic puppets that they are of the all powerful Oz …. sorry – Vatican.

  40. Kevin Norman 26 Aug 2013, 10:17pm

    Well, if they’re praying then it’ll be a shoe-in……. good job they’re not going to be doing anything practical.

  41. I know that bishops are supposedly highly educated. Would one of them please logically explain to me how my marrying my husband will make my neighbor want to marry his sister?

    1. I’m not a bishop, but I’ll take a shot at this. Your marrying your husband will emit non-traditional marriage radiation that will excite your neighbor, causing him to marry in a non-traditional way, and so on. At a certain density threshold, this will lead to an uncontrolled chain reaction, and everybody will marry pugs, donuts and garden gnomes.

  42. The Bishop ought to read the interview with Lord Sacks and mull thereon.

  43. An other RCC parrot copying it’s masters (the Upper Bigot) words…..
    Yada, yada, yada….

  44. I have a profound interest in democracy, freedom of expression, inclusivity and equality – all of which are undermined by religious organisations. as can be witnessed here in the actions of Mr Larry Silva .
    (He can style himself “Bishop” all he likes but I am not going to recognise his silly Catholic hierarchical title.)

  45. this idiot cannot compare like for like. this is not about numbers (polygamy) or sexual desires (incest), in the current form marriage accommodates one sexuality and discriminates against the other. get your logics right your eminence

  46. this idi0t cannot compare like for like. this is not about numbers (polygamy) or sexual desires (incest), in the current form marriage accommodates one sexuality and discriminates against the other. get your logics right your eminence.

  47. PeterinSydney 27 Aug 2013, 10:38am

    Another epissscopal dick head !!!!

  48. Noooooooo…the same argument? I’m so tired of these religious groups, specially the catholics, what a bunch of peado!!!! Oh I said. Well, if gay marriage will cause all this devastation in the world, I’m prety sure he is a peado. That’s what i start to believe about the catholics priests. they are all peados….

  49. We have had SSM here in Canada for 8 years now. None of the calamities this twit speaks of are coming true . The reign of pestilence he speaks of has not come to pass nor will it. real human beings are to smart for that. The only result has been for the Quebec government to renounce religion in all its forms and not allow any of it to filter into public service by stopping people from wearing religious symbols in the public work space. The Catholic church is ultimately responsible for this change in attitude due to it’s complete and utter intolerance of the Quebec people over the years. The tide has turned against them. Soon they will have no voice in society at all. The sooner the better.

  50. As Dorothy Parker said, heterosexuality isn’t normal; it’s just common.

  51. So it’s ok to molest kids in the catholic religion but heaven forbid you love another person of same sex.

  52. Will lead to Polygamy and incest will it ? Read your bible Bish. Therein you will find ‘traditional marriage’ which seems to include one man and his sister, one man and his dead brother’s wife, one man and one woman and her servants, one man and his rape victim, one man and 700 women and many more concubines. It’s all in there Bish I am not making this up!!

  53. Jock S. Trap 27 Aug 2013, 1:07pm

    Yet again a boring, predictable excuse for an argument from the worlds most uneducated.

    It’s just lazy thinking.

  54. CH Brighton 27 Aug 2013, 2:17pm

    Just because different forms of marriage are being proposed or considered, it doesn’t mean that SSM is leading to these. I prefer to believe that what is really happening is that people are throwing off the yoke of centuries of religious coercion. We certainly shouldn’t be bounced into being defensive by religious hate groups.

  55. For men who are meant to abstain, Catholic priests seem to have an obsession with all things sexual.

  56. Why would anyone listen to opinions regarding sexuality from an organization of freaky self-avowed sexual celibates who are “married to God”, but yet indulge in pederasty and other sexual pursuits when they think no one is looking?

  57. Kenya has legal polygamy for non gay people.

  58. That’s the results when one uses god to explain one’s logic.

  59. Jamie Attle 28 Aug 2013, 10:59am

    One word; DELUDED! I believe religion was formed to control the masses, people are now enlightened and can make their own decisions, religion is or has lost control so they need to make dramatic and bigoted statements to try to garner press attention. Religion is a choice homosexuality is not. It is interesting having read a lot of the comments not one backed the bishops point of view! Interesting

  60. David Walsh 29 Aug 2013, 1:09am

    Email Mr. Silva – he shouldn’t forget what a bigot he is.

    bishop@rcchawaii.org

  61. Here we go again…… Is it not a fact that we are all descended from adam and eve?therefore we are all committing incest any ways…….

  62. Just like it has in every other place that’s allowed gay marriage… Oh wait, it hasn’t. A tired/outdated argument that has, tima nd again, been proven to be utter rubbish.

  63. I’m not religious in the slightest. If my kids wanted to be, that’s their choice. I don’t want to influence their choices that way. I want them to evolve and learn their own way for themselves. But if they said ‘their priest wants them to attend choir practice’. No way in hell, unless I was allowed to be there and watch them practice.

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