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  1. Rather than defend her comments, she now appears to be saying – variously – that her freedom of speech has been infringed (clearly not, as she said it) and that someone leaked her comments (in which case, justify them or don’t make them).

    Say whatever you like, Ms Chan, but please don’t play the victim.

    1. Right. She’s trying to change the subject. And for the most part, she’s getting laughed at for it.

    2. ” a former member of my D9 Council team betrayed the trust of my staff members and me. I will fight, I will always fight for our freedom of speech, especially in a private setting.”

      A council meeting is not a coffee morning in her house. It is a place where decisions are made that affect all of society. If someone bigoted is making those decisions that is not a freedom of speech issue. Someone blew the whistle on her.

      If she is so convinced she was within her rights why is she so annoyed that it has become public. It seems she wanted to keep her views a secret. If she wants to keep her free thoughts private that is exactly what she should do. Resign your post Mrs Chan, go home and then you can think and say what you like.

      But if you want to remain a politician you will be taken to task by your electorate about what you say and do.

      She made the mistake a lot of confirmed bigots make in assuming her audience was just as bigoted as her.

      1. I wish people would not misuse the word ‘bigot’. A bigot is someone who has deeply entrenched views which he will not change, no matter what arguments are presented to him – like the extreme right-wing Nazi party, and the extreme left-wing politically correct establishment in Britain and Europe, which brooks no dissent of it’s tenets – such as the equality of homosexual marriage and homosexual adoption – and sacks those who dare to criticize and disagree with them. In those terms she may well be a bigot – but it is not, by definition, someone who holds a view which happens to offend some minority or other. If she had said ‘homosexuals are the cleanest, smartest people around, and there is no doubt that they should do adoption’, would you have called her a bigot?

        What she should do is represent the people she serves, and keep her personal views from clouding her judgement and governing her actions. If she is found not to be, I would say the rest of what you said is correct.

  2. In all her comments, will she stand over them if the word ‘Gat’ is replaced with the Word Asian, and ‘children’ is replaced with ‘non-asian’ — might she see the irrational nature of her comments then. ?

    1. Gat = Gay – my bad

  3. Freedom of speech does not guarantee a sympathetic audience and is not consequence free. What’s more, her freedom of speech, Constitutionally granted, only goes as far as the government seeking to curtail speech – realising that she probably did not so much shoot herself in the foot, as blow it off at the knees is NOT a freedom of speech issue.

    Disingenuous mendacious fool trying desperately to assert victimhood – pretty typical for the bigoted.

    1. Exactly. True freedom comes with the responsibility to deal with the consequences of what you did with your freedom.

    2. Jeff Drake 24 Aug 2013, 7:32pm

      Will all due respect, Valsky, you sound pretty bigoted yourself. This woman WAS victimized. She said something in confidence and someone broke that confidence. I agree that it’s not really a freedom a speech issue, but it seems to me that you’re doing exactly the same thing she did.

      Hatred will never overcome hate, Valsky.

      1. Apologist idiot.

        Is that going to make you snotbubble and cry hatred?

        She is a public servant, by her own choice, in a position of power and influence. She should absolutely be called out if she plans to discriminate, just as she should if denigrating people of colour, the disabled, people of the Jewish faith and so on. She swore a bloody oath and if we must compel her to obey it, then so be it.

  4. As you have your right to defend your asinine freedom of speech, we defend our right to vote you out of office.

  5. It wasn’t free speech – it was veiled cloaked and in private – she was not addressing a rally or a gathering or a political gathering, indeed she would not have dared make these comments known freely or in public – Her First amendment rights were neither invoked nor interfered with.

  6. Beelzeebub 23 Aug 2013, 7:46pm

    Squeak squeak squeak.

    That is the sound of back peddling.

    You overstepped the mark love.

    Own your hatred.

  7. What would she say if someone as equally ignorant as her said that oriental people are disgusting?

    1. (sorry.. accidentally clicked on “report”!!! stupid mouse slipped)

      I think, in this case, she just happens to be an Asian person who is disgusting. Thankfully, it doesn’t reflect on the myriad other civilized Asian people.

    2. my thoughts exactly

  8. Richard the Big Bunny 23 Aug 2013, 8:10pm

    Oh, to hear her fellow politicians’ comments on her being Asian (full-on, vulgar, demeaning & *frequent* — I’d bet my pay packet!) … in Texas … just imagine! I can’t believe she’s not more sympathetic, compassionate & fair to other minorities … but that’s my dumb-ass assumption, I admit.

    1. I would imagine being from a minority group in such a state as Texas has made her say this kind of thing so she has a reason to ‘fit in’ with her racist, homophobic colleagues. Not saying they all are but we all know the problems there.

  9. What this bigoted woman doesn’t understand is that while she has a right to her opinion and to express it, her JOB is to represent ALL members of her public, and she is INCAPABLE of doing that because she is a homophobic bigot!

    If the people there have any sense they will call for her to be removed. You CANNOT have someone elected to office who clearly refuses to work for a section of the people to which they are accountable.

    This b*tch seems to have forgotten what her job is, and that she is SUPPOSED to be working for ALL of those in her electoral region. She cannot do that job, therefore there needs to be a replacement immediately.

    1. Why do you post a link to a sex-toy site when you comment here? Would you do so in the Guardian or the Telegraph? Why do gay-orientated websites always have to be so sexualised? This is one of the reasons people dislike us, because we seem to constantly have sex on our minds, that we’re impulsive pleasure-seekers with little self-control. Aren’t we trying to dispel the notion that being LGBT isn’t just about sex?

      1. i dont usually click on the links incorporated in the user names and certainly not those as obvious as the one above. and i wouldn’t consider PN to be in the same league as guardian or telegraph but as it is comments section i dont think PN is to be blamed for ‘sexualising’ this website. on the other hand some ads featured on PN might be a lil bit risqué but if the daily mail can get away with it surly PN can too

  10. This women is adding fuel to the anti-immigration movement in Texas.

  11. She gets caught out saying what she really thinks and then expects us to believe she ‘respects’ the LGBT community ? Not much chance of making an unbiased policy decision when she thinks the people affected by it are disgusting. Should stop pretending its not her fault and fu@k off gracefully

  12. You know a panic stricken American when they’ve caught with their pants down because they always resort to the freedom of speech thing. Like, “Well you may not like what I said… BUT FREEDOM OF SPEEEEECH” as if it’s some kind of justification in itself lol

  13. This women has seriously confused thinking.

  14. Its my freedom and right to call this woman a ‘Burk’…………….

  15. keith francis farrell 23 Aug 2013, 9:25pm

    Typical homophobic bitch, she claims rights to freedoms of speech but she may not allow he personal views to cloud her job. I think she should be dismissed for making those statements and plans

  16. Is this person from a ‘minority’? People have such hypocrital memories ….

    1. MarKo Hubert 24 Aug 2013, 4:39am

      Probably she think saying so will make people forgive her to be different

    2. So true just like gay racists

      1. Not sure why your comment has been thumbed down – I guess some contributors don’t think gay racists are hypercritical or they are gay racists who are thumbing you down – or that gay racists don’t exist.

        1. This site is full of racist people

          1. yea its like drinking in east london or essex bar, those reservoirs of ukip, edl and bnp electorate

    3. Yes she is she was Born in Taipei, Taiwan, Elisa spent most her childhood in Taiwan and Brazil before going to Beijing,

  17. What comes out of her mouth is double-talking nonsense. She does not believe in equality for LGBT people, she was quite clear on that point. Yes, she has a right of free speech and so do the rest of us. So here’s my view, she’s a vile, disgusting, hypocrite who demands civil rights for herself, but would deny them to her LGBT constituents. She’s a pig.

  18. The US constitution, although innovative in its day, is basically an 18th century document with some adjustments.

    We are now in the 21st century.

    Maybe it is time to move on.

  19. Change “gay” to any racial minority and “same sex couple” for “interracial couple” and you have your answer as to whether her freedom of speech has been violated. She’s entitled to her views but has demonstrated she is not able to act as a public servant.

    1. sexual orientation is not classed as protected characteristic in usa, although some states protect against discrimination based on sexual orientation, the federal government does not.

  20. The sad thing is that Americans so often misinterpret their right to free speech.

    It was intended to be used to allow citizens to question and criticise their government, to maintain democracy and prevent fascism.

    Unfortunately they are still controlled and dictated to by their government, and instead they use their right to free speech to be insulting and vile to each other. How very sad.

  21. What a very stupid lady. I cannot believe she is a politician and not know anything about “free speech” rights. Dear lady, publicizing your comments is not threatening your “free speech” All it does is let your constituents hear about your bigoted remarks. No one is saying you cannot say it, but no one is guaranteeing that it will only be heard by the people that YOU want to hear it.

  22. Derek Williams 24 Aug 2013, 12:04am

    It’s fair enough to claim your right to free speech, but it is not absolute. For example, perjury, incitement to commit crime, fraud and libel are all illegal, and I have yet to hear anyone playing the Free Speech card for those.

    1. St Sebastian, the humanitarian 24 Aug 2013, 6:23am

      You are absolutely right, free speech also comes with responsibility. She also needs to understand that others calling her a misinformed bigot are also exercising their freedom of speech, and they have the backup of many independent, scientifically back studies that say children of gay parents are not confused of indeed disadvantaged. Where is here rage about children raised in families whose parenting skills are compromised by their drug addiction? There is far more evidence that parents whose parenting practices are compromised by their drug addiction this is a much greater social problem than those experienced by children with gay parents?

      Using her analogy, you could claim that raising children by parents from a foreign culture to the endemic culture is more likely to be confusing for children. However I would say that these and gay parented children are enriched and learns skills to deal/manage with the real life conflicts of interest everyone faces everyday.

  23. Barry Gilheany 24 Aug 2013, 12:15am

    Freedom of speech carries with it responsibility for the consequences for words spoken particularly if they abuse the identity of other people and social groups.

  24. And yet I’m admonished if I say female asian drivers should not be allowed to drive or asian people should only have jobs where math is the focus.

    Stereotype much Ms. Chan?

  25. Gordon Rumball 24 Aug 2013, 1:31am

    If I was to call people of Asian appearance I would be called a racist and I can be taken to the courts and fined for that comment..she has to be aware that free speech can led to disharmony and hatred if used in a vile manner that she has made her comment. People like her should not be in power

  26. Asian_Voice 24 Aug 2013, 3:21am

    The freedom of speech does allow her to give her personal opinion on everything, but it also allows others to respond with theirs.
    What is confusing her, and that she is obviously projecting on children, is all caused by her incapability to understand others who are different.

  27. Does it also give me the right to make disparaging, or derogatory remarks about Chinese people? The difference is; I never would. I’m above that. I’m above her. I’m not a racist, and I don’t judge an entire group of people on either nonsense I’ve heard from other people, or the actions may have made.
    Yes, Elisa Chan, I am a far better person than you are. And I don’t need to insult your race to come to that conclusion.

  28. MarKo Hubert 24 Aug 2013, 4:32am

    Does the first amendment regarding free speech right allow me to say that that women is such an idiot to judge LGBT people without knowing any of us and based her judgement on narrow minded believes?

  29. Robert White 24 Aug 2013, 5:21am

    U.S. Law Not Understood By U.S. Lawmaker.

    The united states has a freedom of speech clause in its constitution. It does _not_ have a “freedom of speech wihtout consequences” clause, nor does it have a “and people have to listen” clause. Many people don’t seem to know the difference.

    So for instance you can arrange an audience and say any damn thing you want. And all the offended people can say anything back. They can also call for your ouster and treat you like a pariah. Your employeer can even fire you for being a douchenozzle if you are speaking in any way as a representative of them.

    Its just that the state (e.g. federal or state governments) can not punish you for it by law.

    It’s pretty basic stuff.

    So yes, she has the right to say it, but that conferrs upon her the duty to suck it up and live with the consequences.

  30. And our free speech for most of the States says Texas is disgusting.

  31. St Sebastian, the humanitarian 24 Aug 2013, 6:46am

    “You’re going to confuse those kids.”

    Where is your evidence Ms Chan? Or are you just projecting, projecting your own prejudices?

    1. As a child, the only thing I found confusing was how people would say “HEYYYYY EVERYBODY IS EQUAL!!!” yet there was no intergration of minorities with the majority, and how they’d say “HEYYYYY IT’S OKAY TO BE GAY!!!” unless you were “too” gay or actually spoke about it outside of your designated “gay zone” such as your gay bar or your LGBT social group or what have you. They said “it’s ok to be gay” but the impression I got from school and the media said the opposite…

      Very confusing indeed!!

  32. Freedom of speech is a protection against government interference in speech and expression. It is not and never was a shield against the social consequences of expressing ignorant and bigoted opinions.

  33. Mihangel apYrs 24 Aug 2013, 8:17am

    so….
    she holds to the right of free speech to insult people (quite true, there is no absolute right not to be offended) but complains when someone reports it. If she believes it, then why nit say it proudly.

    BTW, she is a bigotted bitch

  34. Shall we ask some children with same-sex parents to explain it to her? She seems confused, not them.

  35. If a white person said that ethnicity wouldn’t come into it. You are using white as the norm and everything as the other. That is the definition of racism.

    1. Christopher Coleman 24 Aug 2013, 4:58pm

      If sexism is defensible, why not racism also?

      1. Why no defend homophobia too?

  36. Deanna Joy Hallmark 24 Aug 2013, 10:51am

    She seems to be doing a pretty good job of “open mouth, insert foot.”

    1. Metsän poika 24 Aug 2013, 1:19pm

      I think she has a problem distinguishing between her ar*se and her mouth, hence the sh*t that flowed from her mouth.

      There, I exercised my first amendment right.

    2. or as mark twain would have put it, removing any remaining doubt about one’s stupidity

  37. Yes, she has the Freedom to be stupid, but she shouldn’t expect to be re-elected once her constituents realize what a loser she is.

  38. White Devil 24 Aug 2013, 11:52am

    “During the original meeting, Elisa Dolittle said that homophobic Chinky Chonk bigots are “so disgusting”, and went on to say that homophobic bigot Chinese couples should not be allowed to adopt because children would get “confused”.

    “I don’t think homophobic Chinese bigots should do adoption. They should be banned by adoption. You’re going to confuse those kids. They should be banned… You shouldn’t affect the young people. How terrible. … They’re going to be confused. You see two homophobic Chinky Chonk bigots go into a bedroom. You see two homophobic Chinese bigots kissing. Is that not confusing? It’s confusing,” she said.”

    (For clarity, my comment refers only to those Chinese persons who are also practising homophobic bigots like Elisa Chan)

  39. Free speech is a total red herring here. She is free to say what she thinks and others are free to slam her for it. And the voters are free to vote out an ignorant bigot.

  40. Her english is dreadful – and her opinions are hateful – I personally don’t think Chan should be able to spout her vile thoughts but she can – so I should be entitled to hate her and all those Taiwaneze immigrants who think that the US is a place to breed their monstrous attitudes -

    1. That’s right, fight fire with fire; we’ll see who gets burnt in the end.

      (Spoiler: both of you do)

    2. the critique should be reserved for the expressed view and not for language limitations or ethnic origins of those expressing it

      1. all I see in your comment – is blar blar blar condicending git

        1. and on the other hand your comments are so thoughtful and full of eloquent substance

  41. I think it is high time Britain had a far less close relationship with the USA. Not only because by being so close that we get involved in wars which have no essential British national interest at stake but because there are just so many anti-gay and anti-bisexual nutcases there. America really will have to put down that Bible down one day!

    Whenever I come across the most obsessive homophobes and biphobic people on the net they are usually Americans.

  42. Michaelandfred 24 Aug 2013, 3:03pm

    Sadly, so many of my countrymen (and women) are sadly ignorant of what Free Speech” actually means. It only means the government (in certain instances) cannot curb your speech. It doesn’t mean you are free from the repercussions of words.

    Walk in and call your boss a twat and see how far “free speech” gets you. In this case, the boss is us and hopefully her constituents don’t want a lying, homophobe ignorant of the constitution representing them.

  43. Imagine if a US politician said “Chinese Women are so disgusting, they should not be allowed to adopt. They should be banned from adoption.”

    Would they be in a job the net day?

  44. Christopher Coleman 24 Aug 2013, 5:00pm

    This is nothing more than a slur against Texas. The woman does not look like a traditional Texan and she would not have been so outspoken when John Wayne walked tall across the plains.

  45. Well, what do you expect? This is Texas, where it is perfectly legal to beat, torture, maim and kill all gay people.

    1. I think David Bowie once said that America is a very prudish place. I think he is correct. It’s funny when you think about it but we Brits are meant to be the ones who are all ‘stiff upper lipped’ but we take a more relaxed attitude towards sex than the Americans do and I think that is possibly one reason why Britons are more tolerant towards homosexuals and bisexuals.

      1. The point is that the US is a huge and very polarised society. Some of the most open and tolerant and the most hateful and bigoted people on Earth live there. Generally I find that the people most horrified by the repressive backwardness of some Americans are also Americans. An American friend of mine who has lived and worked in the UK for many years finds it harder and harder to relate to his small town US family. And he acknowledges how much nastiness there is also in the UK.

      2. Another reason may be that the left-wing establishment is not so relaxed and bullies people – particularly in the public sector – into it’s parameters of tolerance by making examples of those who dare to disagree with them.

  46. I’m presuming this stupid woman is a republican ? and I presume she and her family anglicised their names because they thought Chinese names might hold them back in Texas so she understands the concept of racism and bigotry but she still feels she superior to LGBTs because she’s “straight” mmmmm.
    News flash ELISA we do exist and even though we don’t have employment protection rights in Texas yet – we are all around you – shucks some are even Chinese – might even be in your own family. My 87 year old Chinese grandmother in law is more worldly than you, more accepting and knows being LGBT ain’t no choice.
    This woman clearly have political aspirations but
    she’s just flushed her chances down the toilet.
    Bet you her 10 year old daughters proud to have a hater as a mother.
    Wonder what her hubby thinks of all this or is he not important. But didn’t he contribute to a democratic candidate in 2012. Just saying.
    This woman needs to grow up and get out a bit more.

  47. racism and homophobia are alive and well in texas with the republican party now entrenched in the state for many years. a warning: you don’t want to be caught over the speed limit in texas. no siree. it’s scary there, pardner!

  48. Beelzeebub 24 Aug 2013, 8:03pm

    In my eyes.

    Wet Vaginal penile penetration is disgusting.

    It is not in my nature.

    However I would not as a councilor speak of it in a public space.

    Kiss ta ta to your public sponging bitch.

    1. Beelzeebub 24 Aug 2013, 8:06pm

      PS/ Remember China woman.. The US had places for your kind.

      Just ask George Takei.

      1. Andrew Shuman 29 Aug 2013, 4:02am

        … The hell is wrong with you?

  49. So presumably I have the right to suggest Chinese people are disgusting because of their spitting habit ,lack of manners and sheer rudeness?
    Ok then Ms Chan touché

    1. her views where ignorant yours are stereotypical however both are equally stupid

  50. Councilwoman Chan – not only are you ignorant and bigoted, you are also stupid – approx. 10% of your voters are gay and they have family, friends and work colleagues who love and respect them and are offended by your hate. That is a very large number of people so you are committing political suicide and the council on which you serve will be a much better place without you.

  51. There are to many bigoted people in America, simply just to many!

    1. Too many.

  52. ‘…As an immigrant, I consider this to be the greatest privilege of being an U.S. citizen…’

    does immigrant card trump gay card?

    1. No Ms Chan will now find rich Caucasian US born male trumps everything – even a gay rich Caucasian US born male – in Republican Texas. Her arse wont touch he ground. Be interesting to see how successful the family business is with Ms Chan out of politics. Just saying – my right, right.

  53. If that happened in my workplace, anyone making such a comment would be in deep trouble. Obviously, Texas does not have anti-discrimination laws!

  54. Wait a minute…. She states: “I govern from fairness, because one of the basic tenets of our democracy is the guarantee of right to live in any matter unless it poses a threat to an individual or society at large. Any opinion I hold is surely superseded by this fundamental principle,”

    BUT she obviously DOES perceive a threat as she also stated: “I don’t think homosexual people should do adoption. They should be banned by adoption. You’re going to confuse those kids. They should be banned… You shouldn’t affect the young people. How terrible.”

    The only people ‘confused’ about homosexuality are tiny-minded bigots who will soon find themselves on the wrong side of history. Own your hateful words Ms. Chan. You have the right to say them just like I have the right to say your comments are so disgusting.

  55. Ms. Chan states “I govern from fairness, because one of the basic tenets of our democracy is the guarantee of right to live in any matter unless it poses a threat to an individual or society at large. Any opinion I hold is surely superseded by this fundamental principle,”

    BUT she obviously DOES feel gay people pose a threat as evidenced by this comment:
    “I don’t think homosexual people should do adoption. They should be banned by adoption. You’re going to confuse those kids. They should be banned… You shouldn’t affect the young people. How terrible.”

    So her statement regarding the LGBT community “I respect and support their personal freedoms and right to their lifestyle,” is FALSE.

    Own your bigoted words Ms. Chan. You have the right to say them and I have the right to find your comments ‘so disgusting’.

  56. benpinwang 25 Aug 2013, 5:07am

    That’s OK, Ms Chan. The gays and their supporters just marched ahead of you, holding hands and with their heads held up high. Maybe your inability to comprehend all of this and your inability to catch up with them make you feel disgusted and abandoned. That’s OK, Ms Chan, as long as you keep trying, next time, fail better.

  57. From her website. “Elisa was born in Taiwan and moved to the United States in 1988. She became a U.S. citizen in 1999 and has resided in San Antonio for 20 years. She received her B.S. in Computer Software Engineering at Beijing University of Technology in 1987. She received her Master’s degree in computer science at the University of Texas at San Antonio in 1993. For 13 years, she worked successfully in the computer software development field.

    Elisa, husband Clifford and ten-year-old daughter Nikola reside in North Central San Antonio”.
    http://voteelisachan.com/about.asp
    Elisa Chan is a highly intelligent well educated woman, who happens to be a bigot, a homophobe and a transphobe too. http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/news_columnists/brian_chasnoff/article/Elisa-Chan-reveals-homophobic-views-in-secret-4736543.php
    It is a sad fact that in America many of the people who hate LGBT people strongly are the very people who have had their own causes most helped by them.

  58. The only good news is that the most rabid and vocal of the LGBT haters in the room at the time of the recording of the meeting, Jeff Bazan has been given a swift kick up the arse and dumped.
    http://www.mysanantonio.com/default/article/Chan-s-ex-staffer-Bazan-leaving-new-council-job-4753798.php

  59. Ms Chan seems to not know that it wasn’t that long ago the exact same things were said about Asians.

  60. Paul Halsall 25 Aug 2013, 3:50pm

    In law, her comments in the US are indeed protected by the First Amendment.

  61. She is entitled to her views, and she is entitled to express them in any reasonable way. In fact, by making such a stupid remark, she is probably helping rather than hindering the cause of gay rights. So do keep opening you mouth Elisa and putting your foot in it.

  62. It’s confusing… children might end up thinking they live in a democratic country where everyone has the right to decide whom to love.

  63. Tom (Winnipeg) 26 Aug 2013, 4:03am

    Vile disgusting pig!

  64. Doesn’t sound like anyone tried to limit her free speech to me – and as a gay guy I would NEVER want to limit the free speech of any politician – in fact I’m glad she didn’t get to hide her point of view in a private meeting – now people will know what she stands for when they decide to vote for her or NOT vote for her. So madam, speak up and say what you think – no one is trying to stop you.

  65. we gays have never liked asians that much either, let them continue hating us we don’t want anything to do with them.

  66. ..there is nothing more queer and bizarre than getting a person who appears intelligent and holds an immanent job yet manages to comes out with unbelievable nonsense like this….prat.

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