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BBC asks whether tougher bans for homophobic football fans are an ‘overreaction’

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  1. Just had a look at that twitter feed and made my comments known.

    They don’t stand for racism and homophobia should be no different

    1. Mumbo Jumbo 23 Aug 2013, 1:26pm

      You can make an official complaint here:

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/

      It’s a very easy web-based form and I recommend everyone to pile in.

  2. Seriously, f*** the BBC. I’m sick of its homophobic slant. They would never talk like this about racism.

    1. Exactly what I was thinking. It seems that while racism would never be discussed in this manner, and rightly so, it’s okay to discuss homophobia and have a debate about it.

      The fact is that at present, society doesn’t treat homophobia the same as racism, and I long for the day when homophobia will be as socially unacceptable as racism.

      1. The sad fact is people are still very prejudice towards black people and people of colour, but their prejudice includes a vital ingredient that ours does not: fear.

        People are SCARED of black people now, which is totally irrational and in no way a good thing, but it does have one advantage: the people who ARE prejudice won’t dare open their mouths because they know they will get a smack.

        Nobody is afraid of the gays. We have a reputation of being weak and “taking it”. Everyone knows what reaction you’d get towards racism and homophobia and how different they will be. THAT is why they can be openly homophobic and not racist: there aren’t any reprocussions, and they don’t have to worry about getting a smack.

        1. It’s true what you say, society hasn’t completely eradicated racism either, but homophobia stills exists in parts of society were racism is considered unacceptable.

          As others have already pointed out, the BBC would never ever have a discussion about racist abuse by football fans, asking if it’s an overreaction and just banter. Yet they think it’s okay to do exactly that when it’s about homophobic abuse. Until homophobia is treated the same as racism, we’ve got a long way to go.

      2. The sad fact is people are still very prejudice towards black people and people of colour, but their prejudice includes a vital ingredient that ours does not: fear.

        People are SCARED of black people now, which is totally irrational and in no way a good thing, but it does have one advantage: the people who ARE prejudice won’t dare open their mouths because they know they will get a slap and there will be serious reprocussions in various forms.

        Nobody is afraid of the gays. We have a reputation of being weak and “taking it”. Everyone knows what reaction you’d get towards racism and homophobia and how different they will be. THAT is why they can be openly homophobic and not racist: there aren’t any reprocussions, and they don’t have to worry about getting a smack.

  3. … and would black people consider it ‘banter’ to be called ‘n***er’ or ‘w*g’? The BBC should be privatised. Too much bias towards and pressure from ‘the establishment’ – which of course includes religion.

    1. I agree.

      As much as I love some of the output the BBC creates, we are now the only country in the world who still pays a licence fee. Such an outdated business model

      1. And we have some of the best TV in the world… be careful what you wish for….

        1. … on what evidence do you base the assertion that we ‘have some of the best TV in the world’? I lived in the States for five years. I was, to be honest, amazed at how good some of it was – having been previosuly brainwashed to believe the same as you obviously do currently …..

          1. Robert in S. Kensington 23 Aug 2013, 4:21pm

            You can’t possibly be serious. I too have lived in the U.S. briefly and network t.v. leaves a lot to be desired, constant barrage of advertisements and cutting off in segments to go to a ‘commercial break’ as they are called there, as well as lightning fast credits at the end of a programme that you couldn’t possibly read; three to four people to read the news, precious little international news.. America imports far more British programmes than we import from there. Doesn’t it occur to you why that is? Even the BBC has a niche there (BBC in America) and it’s own news programme for American audiences. American t.v. news delivery is abominable. It also explains why there is a large demand in that country for the Public Broadcasting Service (PBS), a sole channel that imports a great deal of British programmes and paid for by a public that craves quality viewing. Downton Abbey as one example was the most successful British imports in the history of PBS.

    2. You just had to get that in didn’t you. It’s probably a reflection of your own thoughts.

  4. They have form. It’s getting predictable now. They need to be impartial but they also bang on about how they are informed by the British public when it comes to ethics or decency. Therefore I never really see how they think they can get away with calling hugely homophobic things ‘controversial’, when they wouldn’t say that about the Jim Crow laws. They often stray into the territory of implying homosexuality is something that is still not proven/legit.

    Why should I pay a tv license when they can’t be bothered to provide coverage of my kind that does not border on the offensive?

  5. I’m starting to get really pissed off with some aspects of the BBC these days – as has been rightly pointed out above, they wouldn’t dare suggest that racist abuse is just “banter”.

  6. Thanks to PN for drawing attention to this. I suppose it’s not quite as bad as Should homosexuals face execution?, but it’s in the same mold.

  7. That There Other David 23 Aug 2013, 1:03pm

    I can’t even watch BBC News these days. Once you see a slant on one topic it’s difficult not to see how they slant all their reports.

  8. Robert in S. Kensington 23 Aug 2013, 1:08pm

    Now I wonder how the BBC would react to anti-religious banter and denigration of religious nutters? You can bet it would receive wide coverage and outrage. Overreaction?

    I’m so sick and tired of the BBC and I resent paying a tv licence to a homophobic organisation which doesn’t represent LGBT people in a positive light but serves only to represent conservative political and religious propaganda. I hope one day there will be calls to get rid of state television once and for all, privatise it.

  9. Mumbo Jumbo 23 Aug 2013, 1:23pm

    On the website and in the 10 O’Clock news yesterday the BBC were referring to Chelsea Manning as “he”.

    1. theotherone 23 Aug 2013, 1:37pm

      and in the news reports on their site

  10. I think the BBC is deliberately being dumb down in general & very Homophobic often so we the licences payers will demand that its privatised.

    These biased questions are clearly another example of the BBCs growing Homophobia.

    I’m still seething from the BBCs snub over Equal Marriage last month.

  11. Why do I pay my TV License to support this type of “content”?

  12. Stop paying your TV License fees. Write to your MP. Complaining to the BBC is a pointless exercise.

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  14. More reasons not to pay your TV license. Why should we have to support a homophobic broadcaster.

  15. Of course, when it’s the women it’s fair enough
    When it’s the blacks, fair enough.
    The gays? No no no, they’re just throwing a hissy fit. They’re just attention seekers. They’re over-reacting!!!!!!!!!! It’s ALWAYS been ok to beat on the gays, so why is it not ok now???? IT’S POLITCAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAAAAAAAD

    How much money do you want to bet that the man who wrote the feature was straight, white and male a.k.a someone who is immune to prejudice and has no real perception of oppression

    1. I completely relate to your statement, before I came out, playing the Straight, white, man until about 40. I had no idea what prejudice felt like. I sure do now!!!!

  16. It’s true that it’s obviously not ‘banter’ and that there would be no question if it was about racism…

    But I think enough people in the UK still feel this way that a debate is useful (if only so we can win it)

    I think if you just say ‘asking this question is unacceptable’ then you miss the opportunity to change the minds of the large number of people who still think this way – as well as leaving you open to accusations of ‘shutting down debate’

    The ‘should gay people be executed’ is different because there’s thankfully very few people in the UK who think so… but until this is true of homophobic ‘banter’ also I think it’s worth having the debate.

    People don’t react well to finger-wagging with no justification… if we want to change people’s minds we sometimes have to engage in debate with them.

    1. Well the BBC could have asked if the authorities are doing ENOUGH to stop homophobic abuse. That way you still get the debate but it is clear to everyone that the abuse is not acceptable.

  17. Just added my thoughts to the BBCNewsbeat twitter account. https://twitter.com/BBCNewsbeat

  18. This could constitute hate speech. The BBC are homophobes, but oh my god when that woman got abuse on twitter they were shouting their dirty little mouths off.
    Please send the BBC complaints the more we do the more they will have to say sorry.
    Why should we as gay people pay our license fee to these foul mouthed homophobes.
    So come on people complain PLEASE, it only takes a few minutes of your time. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE complain.
    Thank you.

  19. http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/
    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make a complaint. Don’t let these homophobes get away with it. Please do mention this is HATE speech. Scare those foul mouthed homophobes. PLEASE make a complaint it will help.
    Thank you.

  20. To misquote Stewart Lee, I know football has a rather broad definition of ‘banter’, but…

  21. No surprise here, They let Moyles get away with it for years, why would they change their opinion now?

  22. The BBC like their gays to be fluffy and funny but not to be taken seriously. Mind you, they aren’t too sniffy to welcome our money in order to shell it out to their mates.

  23. Weird sense of priorities, too. Police officers injured in Belfast (UK) riots – third story on TV News.
    Top story? Greg Dyke’s comments about the Qatar World Cup! Seriously, BBC???

  24. Jock S. Trap 24 Aug 2013, 9:49am

    It’s the BBC, what else do you expect for something we’re all forced to pay for while they hide sexual abuse and give huge payouts to unworthy fellows.

    Disgusting.

  25. David Jørgensen 24 Aug 2013, 12:16pm

    So I tweet a request for clarification to Newsbeat and it’s turned into a story? This is not a story – it was a word that could be perceived in different ways, and that was accepted after I pointed it out. Stop wasting time on this stuff and report some real news.

  26. David Jørgensen 24 Aug 2013, 12:21pm

    The full Twitter exchange:

    @misterjorgensen
    “Banter”? RT @BBCNewsbeat: Football fans could be banned if they shout or tweet homophobic chants. Good idea/overreaction? Abuse/banter?

    @BBCNewsbeat
    @misterjorgensen some fans have told us they feel anything goes on terraces with regards sexuality/race/gender. They feel it’s “banter.”

    @misterjorgensen
    @BBCNewsbeat The perils of a tweet, then. Very easily misconstrued.

    @BBCNewsbeat
    @misterjorgensen indeed. Less speed, more haste when summarising.

  27. Obscene! The bbc would Never get away with a ‘debate’ between Stephen Fry, the Chief Rabbi and David Irvine entitled ‘Holocaust;Fact or Fiction?’
    It’s time this failing organization really was dealt with once and for all.

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