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  1. Derek Williams 21 Aug 2013, 6:10pm

    I am not in any way an advocate of allowing children access to pornography, but I am an advocate of good parenting, that moderates what children see until they’re of an age to decide appropriately for themselves.

    I don’t see why the entire adult population should be denied access to this harmless entertainment, just because there are some incompetent parents. Parents that lax are likely to be creating far more problems for their children than can be solved by banning pornography anyway.

    This is a populist, but hardly I would have thought popular move that will not achieve its declared objectives.

    1. A straight teenager explained how he gets around porn filters on his parent’s computer:
      “I go into chat rooms and ask guys to send me porn and they do.”

    2. Parental blocks are pointless for kids over the age of 10 or so. Take it from me, by the time I was 13, parental blocks were childs play to bypass. Another year and I’d learned how to proxy, hack, HTML etc. the parents cannot keep up with the kids on this one; we are computer scientists and they are still learning how to copy and paste. There are simply 15 years too late; we’ve already seen it all.

  2. Not once in any news story have I seen any evidence base for the harm !!!!!PORN!!!!! is causing the children.

    The discussion is about child pornography but every day pornography has been thrown in with this.

    David Cameron needs to start doing things when there is evidence for the issue rather than reacting to the Daily Mail.

    I’m pretty certain our PM looked at porn in magasines back in his day. It’s a normal thing. Maybe we’re regressing to the Victoria days.

    1. And today’s teen can just as readily trade porn with his or her online friends. Don’t be shocked, I’d guess 99% of the ‘child porn’ being passed along these days is made by teenagers, of themselves, for other teenagers.

      1. This of what you say is very common here the States. Youth sexting (more often than not) is almost as common as regular texting. The rare time that the media gets wind of this activity, it is quickly quieted. This because if the law were to be applied to all these cases where “children” were caught sexting, there would be an Exodus of middle school and high school students from free society into juvenile prisons. And all those caught up in this mess will be labeled as a sex offender for life. So instead of pursuing these cases, those entrusted with the law deliberately turn a blind eye to this.

        1. snowypaws 3 Sep 2013, 8:10am

          because criminalizing humanality is a crime.
          look at what’s going on in russia :/
          yeah, i completely agree. you cannot fight sex. that would be like fighting eating or breathing.

    2. There already are enough negative consequences of porn, not the least of which are the negative effects it has on the actors.

      But it doesn’t stop there, we have youths who _pressure_ each other into anal or oral sex, though they hate it, because they consider it the thing “to do” according to what porn teaches them. Read a few teen sites discussing sexuality and you will find them rife with that.

      We have 11 and 12 year old girls hitting the beauty parlours to get full brazilians, because their boyfriends consider pubes to be so icky they can’t get it up or flee. Fact.

      There are 13 year old girls asking for labiaplasties (on NHS, no less!) and breast implants, who also bleach their vulva and anus, because their skin is darker than that of (bleached) porn stars.

      There are male teens, who by the age of 16 have masturbated countless times to violent porn of their choice and discover that real sex doesn’t stimulate them enough to get it up or come.

      The list is quite comprehensive.

  3. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Aug 2013, 6:42pm

    Thoroughly agree with Simon Blake. Sex education is woefully inadequate in our schools and should be mandatory whether parents like it or not. Ignorance isn’t bliss and it is dangerous to not provide adequate sex education including sexual orientation so that children have the information before experimenting and suffering the consequences in some instances, pregnancy and STD transmission.

    I’m strongly against child pornography but I’m not so sure if the government’s proposals to use filters is going to prove that successful. Perhaps it wouldn’t be necessary if children were given decent sex education.

  4. Strange story.

    Aren’t Brook the lot caught with their knickers down encouraging young women to have abortions (rather than providing information and letting them make an informed choice)?

    1. Change your newspaper. Brook, as in your “rather than” clause, provides young people with information about all aspects and consequences of sexuality, including unwanted pregnancy, and thereby lets them make an informed choice. It is a lifeline for young people whose only source of information is the Daily Mail or the like.

      1. I don’t dispute the rest. And I am not anti-abortion at all. However, Brook have been caught pushing abortion as a preference rather than simply providing unbiased advice.

    2. Simon Blake 22 Aug 2013, 7:23am

      No, that is not true. Brook is absolutely about informed choice. If you want to find out what we do and how, email me Simon.blake@brook.org.uk

      1. How does that comment attract -10 reps? Ew. Seems some ‘pro-lifers’ are around. Shoo.

  5. My main worry about the filter system that the government is planning on implementing, like Simon Blake mentioned, is how sites which aren’t necessarily porn sites will be affected. At my school the filter system is worryingly homophobic, with most sites which have any kind of connection to LGBT issues blocked (thankfully PinkNews hasn’t been found yet). This includes sites like the TrevorProject which of course, aims to prevent teen LGBT suicide. The fact that these sites aren’t available to young people at school simply because anything with the words “gay”, “lesbian” or “bisexual” is filtered because they associate those words with porn and sex, is worrying at least.

    If the government’s system is anything like these school filters then the consequences will be disastrous for LGBT youth. LGBT youth like myself who are living with a homophobic family in a homophobic area, with little access to anything that can help them understand their sexuality (certainly not Sex Ed lessons).

    1. That’s a really valid concern and its a common issue in the US with Library and other blocking software. And in the end it is futile, as a teenager explained to me, “Oh I don’t care about filters, I just go to a chat room [or presumably facebook] and ask people to send me porn.” They email it to him. And today’s teen can just as readily trade porn with his or her online friends.

  6. Totally agree about the education.

    But… what’s wrong with you, people? Why all this “I’m not pro-porn, blah-blah-blah”? Have you all gone crazy? If our language is like this, conservatism has already won everything, and all the marriage equalities and SREs are just shor-term lies to calm down protests.

    Sorry for my English, I’m not a native speaker.

    1. Apparently you have not read the depth of what this issue is about. It’s not about being against porn in general, it’s about porn being used by youth as a teaching aid in the absence of any sexual or relationship education. Porn is strictly a fantasy, the plug fits the socket, type entertainment for adults. It has no redeeming nor educational value. It does not teach youth the meaning of being in love with somebody or how to select somebody to share your life with. Nor does it teach anything about the value of safe sex. It only shows the plug fitting into the socket and nothing more. Society needs to change its attitude and realize that human sexuality is a major core part of the human condition and experience. But as long as society continues to have the attitude that sex is dirty, that sex is taboo, this problem will never be solved.

      1. Apparently you totally missed my point. What I am talking about is the appologising language suggesting porn to be bad, appearing for example in the comments here.
        As I noticed, I totally agree that education on sexuality needs to be improved.

        But talking about your comment: I agree that the main function of porn is entertanment, and it cannot replace education on sex. I also think, that school should teach in what ways porn scenes differ from real-life sex. But I think your statement that “It has no redeeming nor educational value” is far to radical. Watching my body and mind reaction to porn was and still is an important, safe method to discover my sexuality, I think many other people have similar. And please, don’t write an essey on misleading side of such “self-education”, I’m not an idiot and I become more and more aware of them when I’m more and more old and sexually experienced.

      2. My school ignored the existence of LGBT, everything I learned about sex came from porn and the older men I had sex with. That is unacceptable and our children deserve better.

  7. Porn has already skewed many people’s perceptions of sex, they are just too late with that one!! Most boys have seen it all before they even lose their virginity so many have very high expectations that can be very delusional. I see these “straight acting” guys waiting for some demi-god porn star to come along; well this isn’t L.A. folks! Get real !

    As far as education is concerned, section 8 type legislation should be abolished and their should be /some/ inclusion for LGBT folk.

    After checking my previous school’s policies they have accomodated LGBT into their anti bullying but no sign of actual education on the subject.

    I believe it’s counter-productive to accomodate LGBT needs before actually educating them about who and what they are, their history, and WHY the straight kids shouldn’t be picking on them anymore.

    It’s just common sense; how can you stop people from hating and fearing what they still do not understand? There’s a lot of mis-conceptions floating around…

    1. Lion in Winter 22 Aug 2013, 3:05am

      Tom of Finland ruined reality for me…

  8. Lisa Mason 22 Aug 2013, 5:15am

    Just when I thought I was able to get away from Brook stuff it follows me to Pink news. -__-; Wonder if Simon reads comments…

    I agree with him and all that on this topic, but considering the way he dealt with something when I worked for him when I was dealing with a ton of other stuff (Like being sexually assaulted just over a month before) drove me to try commit suicide and go into even more of a psychotic depression (Still going on) really wish I could stop seeing things from him. Oh well…

    “One Wi-Fi provider blocked our website” The heck is a wi-fi provider? Did he mean ISP…

    1. Lisa Mason 22 Aug 2013, 5:35am

      Unless he means like wi-fi hotspots or something =/

    2. lol bet the thumbs down was him. You act nice but in reality you’re kind of evil. I almost died because of you.

      1. Not to mention you’ve tried to ruin my life since because I’m struggling with the psychotic depression because you made everyone blank me, so therefore it all goes over and over in my head leaving me with a serious struggle to not do what I did and still struggling now to stay stable. You know what you did could ruin college for me? It could ruin what I’ve decided I want to do? You’ve handled this in a terrible way and all my councilors, psychs and friends agree.

  9. A straight teenager explains how he gets around porn filters: “I go into chat rooms and aks people to send me porn and they do.”

  10. It’s not just porn that will be blocked by this filter. It’s likely that LGBT sites and indeed anything at all to do with sex will be blocked. This includes rape crisis resources, family planning, and discussions of any of these topics. It’s extremely worrying proposed legislation.

  11. Riddle me this, Mr. Blake:- what sort of education do you think gay teens receive being exposed to bareback porn on free online porn sites and in the absence of any decent HIV awareness and prevention campaigns from so-called sexual health charities such as your own?

  12. ‘Porn or better sex education?’

    Is there a ‘better porn’ option? :-)

    1. Sure there is! Watch the new generation of sex-positive porn movies by Petra Joy, Annie Sprinkle, et al :)

  13. ..what we need is a positive approach to teaching sex education altogether…which has never been the case because human beings, and especially if you’re a teacher will always feel embarrassed and shameful about teaching the subject.
    Homosexuality needn’t be promoted but should be handled calmly and sensibly without prejudice..

  14. I believe strongly in the need for better sex education in schools. At the schools I attended, the sex ed was extremely minimal, covering only the basics (puberty, reproductive organs, pregnancy, contraceptives) and very little about actual sex. There was no mention of anything LGBT-related either and honestly, that’s just not good enough.
    Schools today should also include explanations about different sexualities so that LGBTQA people aren’t treated any differently, consent (also an important issue) and teachers should teach about real life sex versus what they see in pornography. If kids are taught that sex is something completely normal, then it won’t be such a taboo subject and they won’t be curious about it!

    Plus, banning porn will make people more interested. Wrong move, Cameron. (Google the Streisand Effect if you don’t believe me.)

  15. Net should be free.. I’ve nothing against porn but I think that when a teenager doesn’t know much about sex and sexuality, having porn as a first teacher can produce a pretty distorted notion of what real sex and sexuality are, with long term negative effects.. Block are useless, they will find a way around it, and if your kid is not tech savy enough one of his or her geek friends will show him/her porn from his/hers mobile…

    Also, sex is everywhere, TV shows, Movies, Music (did you see Miley Cyrus few nights ago, have you listen to rap music lately)..

    Good Sex Ed is the only answer, but experts are still wasting time debating whether our program says too little or too much.. While teens are watching porn…

    Recently I discovered this mobile app: My Sex Doctor and I really love it. It offers a tons of infos on Sex and Sexuality in plain english. I am sure this is not the only one of its kind. To me this is the way forward, check it out at http://mysexdoctor.org

  16. Yeah, sex education is horribly inadequate in our schools across america. As a 16 year old, gay teenager, I can say this. Hell my school doesn’t even have a health class for seniors (I looked at my schedule and I don’t appear to be enrolled in one, not even for one quarter). But,…for me, talking about sex to my teachers or anything is really odd. I dont have many friends still in school, many have graduated and are in college or have graduated. So I guess im just an oddball, but they’re who I ask for info on this stuff. Not porn. Not School. people with real experience, ya know?

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