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US court: Lawsuit accusing anti-gay evangelist Scott Lively of human rights violation must go ahead

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  1. I can’t wait to see that foul blot on humanity that is Scott Lively brought to justice and jailed along with the scum in Uganda, Russia and the USA who enjoined in his murderous plans against LGBT people.

    1. Don’t forget the vatican!

    2. ChrisMorley 16 Aug 2013, 5:53pm

      Sadly this is not a criminal prosecution so he cannot be jailed in this court action.

      It is simply a civil claim made under the US Alien Tort Statute. If he loses he will have to pay damages to Sexual Minorities Uganda (a coalition of LGBT rights and advocacy groups bringing the case) and he could also be ordered by the court to stop his anti-gay hate-mongering activities in Uganda.

  2. Christopher Coleman 15 Aug 2013, 4:47pm

    Great news! Preachers and other religious big noises must be taught the hard way that hate speech is not free speech.

    1. Amen to that!!!

  3. This must be the first ever trial for crimes against humanity in the context of persecution of sexual minorities. Too bad it’s just a private lawsuit. He should be criminally prosecuted by the US public attorneys or the Hague tribunal.

  4. bob bruinsma 15 Aug 2013, 5:12pm

    Religion should help people get through life, any interpretation based on fear hurts and/or kills Religion, freedom and other human beings.

    1. How does a delusion, with the exception of being in a mental institution, help someone get through life in a healthy way?

      1. We get it Ra, you’re not religious. Some of us are tho. I think the task for us all is to learn to get along and make space for each other. What do you think?

  5. It is VITAL that this man is prosecuted…. and convicted. It will send a clear message to all people who use the bible to justify their own bigotry and homophobia that that old novel is not a licence to peddle hatred. Have your religious belief … have your Free Speech … but not if you claim it gives you the right to demonise a minority. It does not. NO book on the planet – however old or ‘sacred’ – does that. Religion should enrich and encourage – not condemn and victimise. What sort of ‘god’ is that? One with a warped mind – that’s what. So, Mr Lively – stop pretending to know what ‘god’ wants. He told me only yesterday that he wants YOU to shut the f**k up with your vile homophobia. He also said to tell you , ‘Get a life you sad f**k and stop pretending to know what I think. You DON’T”.

  6. Godric Godricson 15 Aug 2013, 5:21pm

    I’m nearly wetting myself laughing as I type. He must be soooooooo shocked! Hahahaha

  7. Robert in S. Kensington 15 Aug 2013, 5:32pm

    He should be arrested for fomenting crimes against humanity. The death penalty would be very appropriate.

    I can also think of others, including some of the clergy and their leaders who should suffer a similar fate.

    1. ChrisMorley 16 Aug 2013, 6:07pm

      I would also like to see him arrested for crimes against humanity but he hasn’t been arrested or charged with such a criminal offence.

      This is a civil, not a criminal, court case. He is not being prosecuted, simply sued for financial compensation for the harm he has caused Ugandan LGBTI people and he also faces a potential court order which would ban him from any further anti-gay hate-mongering against people in Uganda.

      The European Convention on Human Rights outlaws the death penalty because every person has a basic human right to life. That Convention defines the death penalty as a ‘cruel and unusual punishment’.

      The death penalty may still be legal in several US states but that doesn’t mean it is the right thing to do to anyone.

  8. I hope the jury awards so much money this charlatan is bankrupt. Hitting him in the pocketbook is the most that can be done in the US, so I’m rooting for his imminent financial ruination.

  9. The further this case gets, the more urgent it becomes that he be convicted and sentenced accordingly.
    I guarantee you that if he is set free, not only will governments around the world see it as permission to pass ever more homophobic legislation without consequence. But Scott Lively and others will be more homophobic and violent in their speech and actions than we have yet seen, partly to catch up for lost time, but also out of some twisted sense of revenge against human rights and the proper application of justice.

    1. ChrisMorley 16 Aug 2013, 6:16pm

      This is not a criminal prosecution. So he won’t be “convicted and sentenced”. He won’t be jailed and remains “free”.

      This is a civil claim for compensation to the LGBTI people in Uganda affected by his anti-gay hate-mongering there. This compensation claim is made under the US Alien Tort Statute. The court can also issue an order banning him from any further anti-gay hate-mongering activity affecting people in Uganda.

  10. Christopher Hobe Morrison 15 Aug 2013, 6:06pm

    Forget th trial, let’s go right to the execution!

    1. That would merely give his bigoted screeds such as “The Pink Triangle” the false legitimacy he craves around the world.

      He aims to portray all gay people as latant Nazis opressing all ‘right thinking’ bigots everywhere, so a summary execution will simply play right into his narrative and make him a fundamentalist martyr.

      Don’t sink to his level or he’ll beat you with experience.
      Far better to bring him to trial and let the law decide.
      Personally I think his systematic hate campaign over 10 years is a direct violation of John Stuart Mill’s “harm principle” and adequate grounds for conviction.
      His hatepreaching in Russia and Uganda and the killings/ anti gay legislation that resulted should be proof enough.

    2. Sorry… meant to say ” The Pink Swastika” in my previous post.
      Mind not firing on all cylinders!

  11. The ruling by Judge Michael Ponsor, is long over due and should have been said by many judges many times over. His strongly worded ruling sets the tone that few with conscience could argue against. His ruling also sets the precedent which any other judge involved in this case would compromise himself if he ruled otherwise in crimes against humanity.

    It pleases me to hear Frank Mugisha has spoken of this victory. I have posted the link of his compelling interview with CBC.Ca regarding life and his situation in Uganda before because it speak of the tone set by people like Scott Lively.

    Hit the “listen” below his picture, starts after short announcements.

  12. That There Other David 15 Aug 2013, 7:18pm

    Although I’ll reserve judgement on Lively until hearing all the evidence it’s going to be wonderful just watching this trial unfold and blow the lid on the way American Evangelicals have polluted Africa and other parts of the world with their twisted interpretations of religion. It’s going to shock a lot of people when they see the money and vitriol involved, hopefully shock them to their senses.

  13. Nowhere in the four Gospels did Jesus ever tell his disciples to force change the government system, through the politics of any governmental system that is. Instead He instructed them to go directly to the people themselves, the citizens of the land and preach the gospel of spiritual love and salvation. He also taught that Judgment is only reserved for God and God alone. That no man, that no mortal man that lives in the flesh has the authority to Judge. Not even the angels in heaven have this authority but God alone. In this, these that teach and do otherwise are not of God.

    1. Errrm …. any proof Jesus actually said ANYTHING ….? A video tape message perhaps? Some CCTV footage? The problem with ‘belief’ is that YOU clearly ‘believe’ what cannot EVER be proved and have persecuted countless millions of people because of it. How have you managed it? Because we all used to be much more stupid and guilable? Well the wold is moving on. You can’t get away with your silly ‘talking snake’ fantasies any more – unless you’re still idiotic and backward. That reminds me – mustn’t buy any mor Russian vodka ….

    2. Jesus never said anything about homosexuality either, go figure !

      You know what “God” really, really doesn’t like? When people think they know what he wants, or worse yet dare to speak on his behalf.

      God hates that. He told me. Because I’m special and I have “faith” – so nerrrr.

    3. And your point is?
      The fact you made a comment with the verse you did passes judgement! it hardly places you in the position of impartial moralist. you made a conscience choice… how’s that not to judge? looks like hypocritical to me!

    4. Christopher Coleman 16 Aug 2013, 2:57am

      If I understand you, you want a society without laws. Only God can judge. Not at all sure that would work, as there has to be some power on earth that demands decent interpersonal behaviour.

  14. Hopefully this asrehat get’s convicted and hopefully a daddy in jail will give him a taste of his own medicine.

    1. I think we both know he has probably been craving some daddy “medicine” for quite some time now

  15. It would make my week to see this venomous egomaniac be forced to face up to what he and his fanatical vendetta against homosexuals have really done and be made to pay for it in some way, but not going to get hopes up too high just yet. Cheer up Scott, if found guilty at least you know you won’t be hanged. Thanks to you, others in a very different part of the world can’t say the same.

  16. Holy crap I thought I would be a grey old man before I would see this day, bravo !!!

  17. What sanctions apart from financial can the court impose upon him? If this is just a private prosecution then sadly jail time won’t even be a consideration.

    It would be nice to see him prosecuted under federal law and sent to prison where he belongs. I don’t think anyone in the US administration would have the balls to go ahead and charge him with Crimes against Humanity in a federal court.. That is what needs to happen before these hate mongers are brought to heel.

    1. ChrisMorley 16 Aug 2013, 6:43pm

      This court action is a simply civil claim.
      If he loses he will face a court order to pay financial compensation (damages) to LGBTI people in Uganda affected by his anti-gay hate-mongering.
      The court also has the power to issue an order (an injunction) banning him from any further anti-gay hate-mongering activity affecting people in Uganda.

      I’m no expert in US federal law but I don’t think he can be prosecuted in the US for crimes against humanity because there seems to be no such federal law.
      There is international law but that needs the UN to refer this to the International Criminal Court in The Hague under the Rome Statute. It would be difficult to get the UN to refer anti-gay activities to that court since anti-gay activities are not specifically mentioned as banned and because so many countries are involved in anti-gay actions.

  18. Yay !!! Putin next please.

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