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Rowan Williams: My gay friends think I let them down as Archbishop of Canterbury

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  1. Well, you let me down!

  2. Yeah, you did.

  3. What a tosser. The first time a gay kid committed suicide. The first time a gay person got attacked. The first time you had the thought you might be letting us down you were, you twit.

  4. Well it’s no good wondering how you could have done more now, is it? You should have pulled your finger out and stood up for us, instead of acting like we didn’t exist. You also should have dealt with the bigots like Sentamu in your own church which were holding back the c of e’s progress towards equality and inclusivity. You disappoint me.

  5. Openly Fabulous 15 Aug 2013, 5:00pm

    You had the chance to make a difference, Williams. A chance to show that the C of E had moved into the 21st century. Well, I’m afraid it’s too little too late now.

  6. … as indeed you did. However, it takes an enormous amount of courage to stand up and be counted … and potentially bring down an ancient outfit like the Anglican Church. But then, someone with principles, who is determined to ‘do the right thing’ wouldn’t give a monkey’s about that. They’d grow bigger cohones and DO IT!! I hope your god forgives you ….

    1. Dolce Vita 15 Aug 2013, 5:06pm

      “bigger cohones”? LOL!

      1. it’s the spanish pronunciation…

    2. I don’t forgive him

  7. Decisive as ever then.

    1. Was going to say that. And as insightful as ever, too.

  8. The Bishop 15 Aug 2013, 5:04pm

    He did exactly what he’s doing now – spent his time over-analysing instead of making a principled stand for he knew in his heart was right – equality.

  9. “My gay friends think I let them down as Archbishop of Canterbury”….A statement like that, just as I was forgetting what a twat this man is.

  10. PantoHorse 15 Aug 2013, 5:11pm

    In another story he has also apparently said that Christians and other religious people need to get over saying they’re being persecuted as, in relation to millions of other people world-wide who really are being persecuted, they just look like whining idiots (my words).

    Where was he when the McFarlane, Ladele et al. were crying about persecution?

    Let down? Yes!

  11. Paula Thomas 15 Aug 2013, 5:15pm

    That”s because you did.

  12. Gay the pray away 15 Aug 2013, 5:15pm

    I think deep down Mr. Williams knew what was right – standing up for gay people and acknowledging their existence. But I suppose fear of alienating the other bigots in his church and causing schism prevented him from doing the right thing which, of course, is not an excuse. It doesn’t even come close to an excuse. Sadly, the current archbigot is worse. I thought Welby would be different at first, until I saw the House of Lords debate. How wrong and naive I was.

  13. Godric Godricson 15 Aug 2013, 5:18pm

    This is pitiful stuff and Mark SF is correct. Rowan should have stood by the oppressed, the downtrodden and the victimised. Instead, he stood by the rich, Anglican homophobes in Africa and those in power. He failed to live the Gospel story. Rowan may be a nice man and an OK person to live next door to although as an Archbishop he isn’t in the top 100!

  14. His gay friends think he let them down? Really? Now why would that be? Backing gay bishops – but only if they remain celibate, whilst making no such condition for heterosexual bishops. Opposing marriage equality? It’s mystery.

  15. jamestoronto 15 Aug 2013, 5:24pm

    Wow,do you think?

    “Let down” is somewhat of an understatement. More like “totally failed” would be more apt.

    You not only failed your own gay friends, you failed every Anglican LGBT person in the world. Had you shown more fortitude when you had the power to effect some change maybe LGBT Anglicans in Africa wouldn’t be living the nightmare they are now. A lot of their blood is on your hands and you won’t get to wash it off. Your weakness and inaction in the past translates into the “Kill the Gays” laws in Africa to-day.

    You “let down” a lot of people, not just gay Anglicans.

    1. Surely. His vocabulary is as pusillanimous as his behavior.

  16. Robert in S. Kensington 15 Aug 2013, 5:28pm

    Well Williams and Welby too, you can start by making an official apology for the harm and violence caused by your cult towards gay people throughout history.

    Secondly, you can start to condemn the Russian government for its violation of Human Rights and targeting LGBT people for discrimination and violent crime inflicted on them, at times fatal. Why the silence?

  17. Jeremy Hoad 15 Aug 2013, 5:45pm

    Er, that’s because you did, Rowan. And you let women down as well. You may be soft spoken and reputedly intelligent but you supported misogyny and homophobia so stop bloody bleating about it and bugger off now.

    The Church of England is not a soft and cuddly, largely harmless organisation. It is a homophobic, misogynistic, extremely wealthy religious organisation that incites hatred through its teachings and has a direct influence on UK legislation through its automatic, unelected positions in the House of Lords. The Bishops should be summarily thrown out of the House of Lords and the Church of England disestablished.

    Williams maintained the traditional homophobic, hateful, misogynistic behaviour and teachings of the Church of England. Shame on him. He should try bloody apologising, not expressing some vague sense of doubt in a pathetic and insulting way to those people he and his religion persecute and exclude.

    1. In order for them to throw open the church to women and LGBT people they would have to totally denounce their 2000 year old fairytale and we know they cannot do this as it is fundamental to their “faith”

  18. Where exactly is his personal apology. If he thought the church was “wrong” not to have advocated for equality, where is his apology at the head of the Anglican Communion during that very time?

  19. Try apologising next time 15 Aug 2013, 6:07pm

    You are utterly, utterly hopeless.

  20. Christopher Hobe Morrison 15 Aug 2013, 6:11pm

    “I would that thou wert hot or cold, but because thou art lukewarm I shall spew thee out of my mouth.”

    Who was it that said that? Starts with a J.

    1. Guessing... 15 Aug 2013, 6:57pm

      Was is Jessie J?

    2. Mark Hangartner 16 Aug 2013, 8:05am

      Saint paul

    3. Michael 2912 16 Aug 2013, 9:01am

      John of Patmos

  21. MarKo Hubert 15 Aug 2013, 6:30pm

    It is a quite unfortunate statement Mr. William because yes you did let us down all over the place. I heard that the Anglican Church of Canada is working in a new marriage celebration liturgy to include gay marriage. I hope that Fred Hiltz, archbishop of the Province of Canada will be more proactive than you on that matter.

    1. He spent his time attacking the Canadians and Americans in order to appease the Africans. Instead of taking a leadership role, he kicked the can down the road – “let somebody else worry about it”. But what he did to Gene Robinson is TOTALLY inexcusable – an insider who could have countered the gay-haters in the CofE heirarchy.

      “The House of Bishops was informed March 10 [2008] that full invitation is “not possible” from the Archbishop of Canterbury to include Bishop Gene Robinson of New Hampshire as a participant in this summer’s Lambeth Conference of Anglican bishops.” http://covenant-communion.net/index.php/opinion/from_the_hob_meeting_bp_eugene_robinson_will_not_attend_lambeth/

      1. MarKo Hubert 22 Aug 2013, 12:50am

        Yes I do remember that. I was still with the Anglican Cathedral Parish of Montréal at that time and we were infuriated.

  22. Unfortunately Williams will be on the same page of history as Julia Gillard and the cowardly religious and political leaders and bigots from America to Africa who instill fear, spread lies and deceit and fan the flames of homophobia.

    Shame on all of them!

    The ones who will stand out on the right side of history as freedom fighters and human rights heroes of our time will be Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Nelson Mandala, Obama and Davis Cameron, Francois Hollande, Jose Zapatero. Plus countless social activists, religious and political leaders who have bravely stood up for equality and justice in the face of strong opposition from fearful and largely religious bigots and homophobes.

    Thank you for making our skies and the skies of future generations of LGBT people and all of humanity a whole lot bluer!

  23. Yeah you really did, not that you didnt know this already, you even replied to my letter over 3years ago now, and then did nothing to make a difference.
    Too late!

  24. Yes, you let down not only gay people, but all people who value justice. You were in a position to do good and you chose not to do so. Indeed, you abetted evil. You were so fearful of offending homophobes you wound up standing for nothing. So many of us were hopeful when you were appointed and then we had the painful experience of watching you betray your own principles.

  25. Tom (Winnipeg) 15 Aug 2013, 7:21pm

    While his words are moot – and have come to naught – the UK has put to rest any argument that the church may have had. The universe is unfolding as it should!

  26. I’m amazed his “gay friends” (if they even exist) give him the time of day. I wouldn’t.

    He supported bigotry of the worst kind. he was a supporter of and protector of the most vicious kind of homophobia imaginable

    None of my friends would do that to me. My friends think I’m a person – it’s kind of required of them to be friends. I’d have spat in his face

    And I am so sick of handwringing from powerful figures AFTER they step down about how they really do support our rights. Do you have a time machine? No? Then your regrets mean nothing

  27. Such bracing candour, Rowan, but doing it on the cheap knocks the shine off somewhat. Someone pass me a sick-bag.

    1. MarKo Hubert 22 Aug 2013, 12:54am

      Does a sick-bag like those for Duchess Kate will do? ;) Ah chnout I’m in Canada so I don’t have any!

  28. Shelley Adrienne Mimi Belsky 15 Aug 2013, 7:42pm

    Just another old man in a black suit.

  29. He’s a useless old hatemonger – more concerned with keeping his absurd church united than being a decent human being.

  30. History is full of people who could have acted, and didn’t. Not many of them wasted so much time appeasing, contemplating, murmuring and mumbling though.

  31. gosh I thought the headline was I went down on my friends – yes dear you let lots of people down now go and do whatever ex arches do

  32. Don Harrison 15 Aug 2013, 10:23pm

    Royan Willams was juggling with the whole world Anglican Chuch including
    many countries like Africa, Rusia are not ready to accept gay church.
    To tell the world that it “OK” have Gay Church Counties. will cause schims as is already happening in the Roman Catholic church

  33. You did not let me down as I think you are insane in your beliefs; but, you surly took the cowards way and bent over the lectern, and splayed your ass out to be ploughed by the ignorant, religious bigots of Africa.

  34. It’s like he just popped over the road to “check in wih the gays” and they were all gathered there looking sullen like “You let us down Rowan, you let us down… this is the final straw ! You are no longer invited to poker night ! Your dip was crap anyway!”

  35. Vicar of Thaxted 16 Aug 2013, 12:29am

    Isnt it time the C of E kicked out those in its ranks that take part in the persecution of gay people?

    Enough is enough. They are no better than the Russians.

  36. So your gay friends think you let them down!

    You you went round in circles, talked in semantics yet never answered the question!

    So what do you think… did you let your gay friends down?

    If you can’t answer a simple “yes”… heaven help you!

  37. Interesting how we had such great hopes for your taking the position but the first day in office your backbone magically disappeared. You spent your whole tenure as AC, a shapeless blob of jellyfish moving in whatever direction someone shoved you. You never again had an opinion worth listening to.

  38. Scott Larsen 16 Aug 2013, 4:18am

    As a ‘cradle Anglican’ and gay, I must admit we had high hopes Archbishop when you came into office. But yes, you did in fact let us down.

    Why politicians and religious leaders find clarity after they left office – and not before – around contentious issues (Jimmy Carter being the other that comes to mind) continues to baffle and saddens me.

    Leaders in the Church and State should expose reactionary forces inside these institutions who apply pressure to keep leaders from speaking out for inclusion.

    Chalk it up to another lost opportunity.

  39. Too late Rowan Williams, you failed all gay people and betrayed your gay friends, now you have the rest of your life to leisuredly contemplate your failure.

  40. Clueless in office: clueless out of it.

  41. Dr Williams you could repent and make up for it now if you really felt you let us down. We are Roman Catholics and we continue to be let down.

  42. Jan Bridget 16 Aug 2013, 7:44am

    What is stopping you doing something now? Take a leaf out of Julia Neuberger’s page – don’t know if her speech from the House of Lords during gay marriage debate is available anywhere but she was brilliant.
    Religion originated – and continues to perpetuate – homophobia. Religion is responsible for thousands of LGBT deaths, not just in the past but all those young (and some older) LGBTs who are killing themselves now, not to even mention the homophobia the Church of England left in Africa and other places. Same sex love was a normal part of some African cultures until the British Empire exported homophobia via its missionaries and laws.
    You are an intelligent man; if you really do care, have a look at the free, on-line, awareness training by clicking my name.

    1. Jan Bridget 16 Aug 2013, 7:53am

      I have dedicated 25 years of my life fighting homophobia. Think what a difference it could make if you dedicated just one year to tackling religious homophobia? Think how many lives you would save and how many lives you would change – challenging parents to accept their LGBT offspring rather than throwing them out.

    2. Michael 2912 16 Aug 2013, 9:14am

      Great contribution Jan. The training resource is fantastic. Well done for maintaining it. Work like yours makes the world a better place.

      1. Jan Briget 16 Aug 2013, 5:19pm

        Thank you.

  43. When you come down on the wrong side of history, history catches up with you. There is no going back. Your legacy has been written

  44. 85 miilion strong Anglican community?

    Evidence please, remembering to include only those who have chosen to be Anglican, ie exclude children (if they don’t have the right to choose a political party, they don’t have the right to choose a religion)

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 16 Aug 2013, 12:08pm

      The figure banded about up until a few weeks ago was 77 million including Episcopalians.

  45. Blood boils, but you all said it before I got there.

    Typical useless christian. Hypocrite is a word invented for them.

  46. Michael 2912 16 Aug 2013, 8:53am

    You did rather more than let people down. Your mealy-mouthed equivocations served the cause of those who oppose fairness and who espouse bigotry against us, your fellow citizens and founders of the Established Church that you led so weakly. Now that you’re back in the cloisters of academe take time to reflect on the harm that you caused or failed to prevent. One day, after more of us have been hurt, you’ll decide that the time is right to speak again. When that time comes: be wiser and kinder and more courageous. What bemuses me is that you actually have any gay friends. You’ve certainly not wholly reciprocated their affection. Look at them and ask their forgiveness.

    1. Michael 2912 16 Aug 2013, 9:17am

      For founders read funders

  47. YOU DID…you spineless old fool.

    & lets not forget all those who you ‘let down’ who’ve never been (or ever will) be your friend!

  48. He needs to be less worried about whether his gay friends may feel he let them down and more worried about the reasons they may feel that way. I am sure they would tell him about how worried they are for the damaging effect that he and his church has had on vulnerable gay people around the globe.

    So in short – my advice – don’t worry so much about your comfortable friends you have in the UK and start worrying about the blood you personally have on your hands because of the actions you could of but chose not take.

    This man is a failure as a leader and a human being.

  49. His gay friends are much more loyal than I ever could be. Not only has he let them down, he has let us all down.

    There are probably gay people no longer with us due to his inaction as the head of the Anglican church. During his tenure, extreme hatred was unleashed on gay people in Africa due to the ‘teachings’ of his clergy in that continent. He knew about it, but didn’t act.

    He did absolutely nothing to discourage the rising homophobia occurring worldwide amongst Anglicans.

    Even in the UK, he did absolutely nothing. Bigots like Sentamu spoke freely and unhindered.

    Hopefully his conscience will continue to eat away at him. It appears that he’s appealing for sympathy. He won’t get much sympathy, if any, from LGBT people.

  50. He did. The answer is in the question: Did I let my friends down? Just take out the ‘Did’.
    He can’t really count them as friends if he let dogma stop him being on their side and the side of what’s right.
    They should question why they are friends with him.

  51. Jock S. Trap 16 Aug 2013, 12:03pm

    Oh the difference we have.

    He we have British ex-Archbishop Rowan Williams who let us down, allowed discrimination around the world to go on, that let Africans use his words to threaten their own LGBT community.

    The we have African ex Archbishop Desmond Tutu who speaks out and challenges homophobia in Africa and around the world.

    It’s a shame that the one we had here let us down, badly whilst the one true man to shine, remains in Africa, still shining and standing up to homphobia.

    1. Paul Halsall 16 Aug 2013, 12:29pm

      Desmond Tutu is a saint.

  52. Well, you did let us down you worthless spineless winging moron.

    1. What gay friends?

      And for the record, R-dub, if you gotta ask the question, you already know the answer. Time to grow a pair and apologize.

    2. Oh Aunt Rowan, look on the bright side, you did leave a legacy for all to see. Every time you enter a church or cathedral for a service, look at the vast expanse of empty pews. . . your god must be so proud of you.

  53. To little to late moron,DEVIL.

  54. He only took the job so he could wear a big dress and a pointy hat.

  55. I doont hink he is a bad person per se. He is simply living in the past, his mind cemented by the churches propaganda

    I bet that within a few years the church will come crying to parliament to allow them to do marriage ceremonies for gays

    about 5 years ago, here in DC, a brit told me that only about 15% fo the english went to church

    And most of them were simply widows looking for husbands

    1. The Bishop 20 Aug 2013, 1:36pm

      Only 2% attend church regularly.

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  57. MarKo Hubert 22 Aug 2013, 1:07am

    I wonder if fhe has read those answers to his pathetic question? Probably not, it would be like horse whipping himself and he rather not want that.

  58. Open your eyes and see the light before it’s too late Williams

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