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Utah Governor denies that marriage inequality discriminates against same-sex couples

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  1. How can you argue with idiots. That argument they use is so blatantly idiotically stupid!!!!

  2. Beelzeebub 14 Aug 2013, 8:19pm

    Privileged heterosexual white male fails to empathize with other peoples life problems.

    And in other news the Pope is a Catholic.

  3. Governor Herbert and his Attorney General John Swallow are a disgrace to the state of Utah – the civilised world is laughing at their ridiculous comments – do they live in caves? They betray an astonishingly ignorant and primitive view of society and should resign before they bring their State into further disrepute.

  4. He just raised the same stupid arguments that lost in the Windsor case and the original opinion in the Proposition 8 case (the one that now stands as final.) Those arguments are stupid, have been rejected and are just plain hateful.

  5. I live in Utah, and Governor Herbert is the classic corrupt profiteering governor. And John Swallow is currently under investigation for corruption as well.

    I miss Herbert’s direct predecessor, Jon Huntsman Jr. Though a Republican and part of the Utah Mormon cultural establishment, he was always staunchly moderate, he actually believes in science and global warming, and now he endorses marriage equality with the best of them.

    Being a heavily red state, Utah state-wide elections virtually always rubber-stamp Republican candidates – only solid blue cities like Salt Lake are consistently Democratic. But with one person’s moderate being another person’s extremist and vice versa, there’s a Lebanon-style cultural polarization here, but thankfully still with less violence. Republican primary elections here are held in members-only caucuses, usually only attended by the most fierce ideologues, amplifying extremism.

  6. To not have equal marriage is to discriminate.
    The clue’s in the word “equal” …idiot.

  7. Scratching head! hm!

    How do you deny “inequality” discriminates?

    Clue: “inequality”

    What’s not to understand?

  8. Scott Larsen 14 Aug 2013, 10:07pm

    To those who live in Utah: Is your governor a lawyer and if he is what law school did he attend?

    It seems the state’s attorney general is the person who defends state law in the courts. Not the governor. Or am I wrong?

  9. By his logic, gay marriage wont really change anything, since heterosexual people will be entirely able to marry someone of the same sex as well. Never mind that the idea is about as appealing to them as as heterosexual marriages are to gay people.

  10. This Governor does and says exactly what his Moronic Cult tells him to do and say. The Government of Utah is the Lapdog of this heinous cult.

    Very recently this very Moronic Cult was a major sponsor for the ‘World Congress of Families’ which was banned from holding a conference in London by the British Law Society because of their ‘Anti-Gay Agenda’.

    8:The Mormon Proposition is a great documentary showing exactly how hateful “Those People” can be.

    1. There are a lot of actively pro-gay active Mormons who dissent from the more common anti-gay positions. Pro-equality organizations like Affirmation, Mormons Building Bridges and Mormons for Marriage. Pro-equality public figures like Jon Huntsman, Jr. and Harry Reid. What Mormon society and religious structure needs are internal reforms to be more compatible with human rights and dignity. Because, when it comes down to it, all group animus is bad, and there are no legitimate targets of entire categories of human beings.

      1. Dear Dermot,

        Thank you for regurgitating the PR spin of this Moronic corporation. You serve them well.

        However… Every time one of your so called ‘Good Mormon’s’ gives a dime to this heinous cult they’re directly helping to sponsor hatred against the LGBT community.

        The official Moronic Cult was not only a major sponsor of the ‘World Congress of Families’ (Anti-Gay Hate Group) this year in Sydney, they provided a children’s choir to entertain the guests, flew in Mormon ‘speakers’ from all over the world and had their own official display stand. This organisations list of official partners, proudly displayed on their website, could be copied and pasted directly from the Southern Poverty Law Centre’s list of ‘Anti-Gay Hate Groups’ with just a few of their international friends thrown in for good measure.

        The hypocrisy of “You People” who continue to directly fund this hatred and sustain your disgusting vile old homophobes like Boyd K Packer is absolutely flabbergasting.

      2. Dear Dermot,

        Thank you for regurgitating the PR spin of this Moronic corporation. You serve them well.

        However… Every time one of your so called ‘Good Mormon’s’ gives a dime to this heinous cult they’re directly helping to sponsor hatred against the LGBT community.

        The official Moronic Cult was not only a major sponsor of the ‘World Congress of Families’ (Anti-Gay Hate Group) this year in Sydney, they provided a children’s choir to entertain the guests, flew in Mormon ‘speakers’ from all over the world and had their own official display stand. This organisations list of official partners, proudly displayed on their website, could be copied and pasted directly from the Southern Poverty Law Centre’s list of ‘Anti-Gay Hate Groups’ with just a few of their international friends thrown in for good measure.

        The hypocrisy of “You People” who continue to directly fund this hatred and sustain your vile old homophobes like Boyd K Packer is absolutely flabbergasting.

        1. Pardon me, but you don’t actually live here. A nihilistic attitude against entire categories of your neighbors is not conducive to a civil society. The thing you need to understand is that Mormons have been in Utah for generations in relative geographical isolation – they are not just a religion here, but an ethnic group too, so even Mormons who aren’t in the religion tend to identify culturally as Mormons, because it’s about home, community and extended relatives. Ultimately, all people must be judged as individuals, because it gets really ugly really fast really often if you’re snotty to your neighbors because of their background.

          Utah has a highly active LGBT rights movement. Utah Pride is probably the largest pride event in the Intermountain West. And hundreds of Mormons march with them too – because these are family, friends, neighbors – not just some theoretical “other” halfway around the world. Every bit of support counts.

        2. By the way, you may be surprised to learn that Boyd K. Packer is increasingly socially polarizing even here, among Mormons. Most younger Mormons (those younger than 40) are either neutral or supportive of LGBT rights and dignity. Mormon society is traditionally a geriocracy of relatively longer-lived elders (90, 100 years old is not uncommon), and It’s mainly the elderly who are most firmly, bitterly planted in the 19th century. It’s impossible to take Packer seriously when he speaks on social issues.

          Like I said, the system is ripe for reform, since grassroots support for LGBT rights is growing strong among the younger generations of Mormons. Even my 69-year-old father embraces LGBT equality now.

          1. And yet…

            You pay your tithing which is being spent directly by your “Church” on Anti-Gay Hatred? (And multi-billion dollar shopping malls with luxury condo developments for the wealthy LOL)
            You put your hand up in church to sustain (vote for) vile old homophobic pond scum such as Boyd K. Packer?

            Yes, you’re all sheeple, brainwashed into submission under fear of eternal damnation, but you must all be held equally responsible for the actions of the leaders you sustain.

            And… I’m still flabbergasted.

  11. As an Englishman all I ever really see is this:

    American #1; I think marriage is between a man and a woman ! to say otherwise is against the constitution !

    American #2; No! Same-sex marriages are recognised by the state, to not recognise them would be against the constitution !

    Now am I missing something here because American politics seems confusing. Gays are granted the right to marry in some states, but not others, and many are pressing for them to be not be recognised in their own state, others are pressing for them TO be recognised in their state, which would obviously just prove to compliacate things for every prettu much every state.

    As far as I’m concerned it should be all or nothing: you’re either married or you’re not. I know states operate by their own “laws” but to hold back the tide of equal marriage like it’ can be stopped is nieve and selfish and just needlessly confuses things further for an already confused nation !

  12. What a stubbonly stupid silly old doshbag!

  13. Let’s have some other ‘non-discriminatory’ rules then. Like: same race, once only and for ever, same IQ, same class, same star sign, same hair colour.

    The logic is limitless.

  14. to follow his logic Rosa Park wasn’t discriminated against, after all she was allowed to use the public transport

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