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Source: Former Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard considered reversing equal marriage opposition

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  1. Well she didn’t.

    Let the record show that Julia Gillard was a disgusting, homophobic bigot throughout her tenure as PM.

    The mist pathetic thing about Gillard is her lack of principle.

    She chose to be a vile bigot for her own politic convenience.

    A truly hateful person

    1. You’re not even Australian; her position was far more nuanced than that. While I was disappointed by JG’s stance on marriage equality, she was passionately committed to social justice and equality for everyone. I honestly think she was a great PM facing extremely tough circumstances – needs-based education funding (previously private schools received more government funding); national disability insurance.

      1. GulliverUK 12 Aug 2013, 1:34pm

        “she was passionately committed to social justice and equality for everyone”

        That is the crux of the problem – she wasn’t. Her position was utterly inexplicable for an atheist. She was against equal rights for people who are gay, she didn’t want social justice for them. And worse still – she never once explained her reasons for this opposition, and it’s rumored to be back-room deals with the ACL to get all their congregants to support her, and now possibly other grubby unethical deals as well.

        I don’t think most gay people will support her, nor forgive her opposition. She was incredibly arrogant in her views, and the fact she was never, once, able to justify them made them even worse.

        If she has changed her views she should come clean and let the healing process start. Besides, I thought she was leaving politics altogether.

        1. Most of my gay friends are disappointed she’s no longer in office and despite KRudd’s conversion on the issue, are voting Greens now that he’s back whereas they would have backed her.

          She did not back a backroom deal with the ACL; that is a fundamental misunderstanding of Australian politics. Christians don’t vote as a bloc and the ACL is just a lobby group comprised mainly of small baptist churches. Her alliance was with the union movement, which still tends to be socially conservative (and wholly appropriate that any Labor leader would have a relationship with them). As soon as the ACL made a homophobic remark about marriage equality, she pulled out of appearing before them at a town hall and refused to see them since.

          She is leaving politics altogether; the article just stated she considered reversing her own position WHILE she was still in office. This report did not come from her and she hasn’t even commented on it yet.

          1. A dear friend of mine in Melbourne, a lifelong* Labor supporter, absolutely loathed her and was firm in his conviction that there wasn’t a chance of Labor winning the elections as long as she remained at the helm.

            * You can imagine how baffling he’s found Cameron here – frequent moans about how even UK Conservatives are more progressive and small-L liberal in this respect than the Australian left!

          2. @ Rehan, I know it varies from person to person, but among Labor voters generally (and even more so among party members), she was the preferred leader. It’s hard to convey the differences without being subjective, but she was much warmer person and in my own experience, cared far more greatly about social justice.

        2. Sandgroper 13 Aug 2013, 1:55am

          Gulliver, if your politics are focussed on only one position, i.e. that of complete gay equality, then indeed Gillard was a failure. However we live in a much more complex world & I think Gillard did more good than bad. As for Rudd, he suffers from chronic Delphic syndrome & is a social conservative. Gillard was certainly better than the über social conservative Abbott, & because of her legendary skillful negotiating ability she managed to form a government by convincing conservative leaning independents to support her. This in itself tells you much about the arrogant, unsubtle attitude of Abbott.

          We must also remember that much of the views about Gillard were seen through the distorting lens of the Murdoch press, who control 70% of the Australian print media (remember how disgracefully and contemptuously he treats/ed the British public).

          As is the case in the UK, politics is often about the least worst alternative rather than the best option. Gillard wasn’t that bad.

      2. Your Kiwi Cousin 12 Aug 2013, 6:00pm

        James I didn’t know you had to be Australian to make comment on this issue ? Then again had you ever considered that may be causing you a blind spot ?

        If you are Aussie, then you are a dear cousin, me being a Kiwi. So mate, you being like family I think it good to call it like it is. Australia and Australians have got an awfully long way to go before they can claim to know about social justice. Now I appreciate there are Australians that get it – but sadly they are the minority. The reality is your redneck styled culture stinks to high heaven of nasty when it comes to minorities – including Kiwis living in Australia http://www.ozkiwi2001.org/

        Gillard was a failure from the start and not just on the marriage equality issue. She had no capacity for reading the electorate and was a shocker at trying to introduce policy.

        I no great fan of Rudd but at least it looks like he is slowing the haemorrhaging of support for labour.

        1. Sandgroper 13 Aug 2013, 1:20am

          Kiwi cousin – I don’t think James was saying that you have to be Australian to comment on this matter. I believe his comment was more about context and a more intimate knowledge of the local political environment.

    2. Sandgroper 13 Aug 2013, 1:36am

      ‘A truly hateful person’.

      Get a grip, have you read your own words, they are full of hate. I don’t agree with Gillard on Marriage Equality, however she did allow a conscience vote and she passed a law that ensured no government agency was able to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation.

      It was fashionable to be a Gillard hater, fanned by the Dirty Digger press (Murdoch, who control 70% of the Australian print media). Those who were close to her were great admirers, those who knew Rudd were less than admiring. Gillard was a doer, she negotiated through a hung parliament what many majority governments couldn’t get passed – the greatest example being the NDIS (National Disability Insurance Scheme). Towards the end of Rudd 1, his government had become chaotic and sclerotic and it took Gillard to come in & sort out the Rudd chaos.

      You need to be able to see through the hazy of the media to see what is really going on rather than what the media would like you to believe.

  2. It’s welcome if true, but she is former Prime Minister for good reason, and her continued unexplained opposition is part of that.

    Does anybody really cares what she thinks now? And won’t people be suspicious as to why – is she planning yet another coup d’etat !

    I heard she was opposed because she formed a pack with the Australian Christian Lobby who agreed to support her, but it seems she also had support from other “conservative” groups. That sounds like she sold us gays out just to get elected, and I know politicians are sometimes ethically-challenged, but this seems like making a pack with the devil. Or, if you sleep with dogs you might get fleas :)

    1. Looks like Cameron has done the OPPOSITE then?

      1. GulliverUK 12 Aug 2013, 1:40pm

        Firstly, we don’t have equal marriage yet, because despite even having royal assent, nobody can get married yet. It isn’t equal marriage until you see people actually getting married.

        But secondly Cameron’s beliefs in equality may be real and genuine, and I think they are, because I don’t think he’s that good at telling everybody one thing whilst thinking the next, without us seeking through him. However, he didn’t necessarily do it in the hope of getting some gay people to vote for him. Primarily, what it does, is allow young people who might want to vote Tory to do so, whereas they would have not done that if they thought the party was truly homophobic. YOUNG voters are absolutely essential, as are, increasingly, for the Tories, BME voters – who they can’t attract, because they appear racist. Catholics mostly vote Labour anyway, because most of them strongly support equal rights for people who are gay. You can’t based your core vote on OLD Evangelical and other Christians.

        1. Well said, as always, Gulliver.

    2. Sandgroper 13 Aug 2013, 2:14am

      Gulliver, if your politics are focussed on only one position, i.e. that of complete gay equality, then indeed Gillard was a failure. However we live in a much more complex world & I think Gillard did more good than bad. As for Rudd, he suffers from chronic Delphic syndrome & is a social conservative. Gillard was certainly better than the über social conservative Abbott, & because of her legendary skillful negotiating ability she managed to form a government by convincing conservative leaning independents to support her. This in itself tells you much about the arrogant, unsubtle attitude of Abbott.

      We must also remember that much of the views about Gillard were seen through the distorting lens of the Murdoch press, who control 70% of the Australian print media (remember how disgracefully and contemptuously he treats/ed the British public).

      As is the case in the UK, politics is often about the least worst alternative rather than the best option. Gillard wasn’t that bad.

  3. Does she have a time machine? Does she have a personal relationship with the Doctor?

    No?

    Then her “revision of her opinion” is such pointless drivel and is utterly contemptible besides

    1. Sandgroper 13 Aug 2013, 3:52am

      Sparky, if you read the article, it indicated that her opinion was moving whilst she was still PM.

      I never understood her opposition to Equal Marriage because on most other social issues she was very fair and small ‘l’ liberal.

      But as you say, it is all rather academic as she has sailed off into the sunset (or at least back to the land of the crow eaters).

  4. Jock S. Trap 12 Aug 2013, 12:38pm

    Easy to say now she’s gone, isn’t it.

    She cemented her opposition when in power… that was when it mattered.

    1. GulliverUK 12 Aug 2013, 1:08pm

      True, but when you think about it a change of heart, even now, by one of our prominent (at least formerly) opponents, now admitting that it’s not a big deal, and they are now supporting it, would be a good thing. Pity she had to make such a big deal of her opposition when, as you say, it mattered most.

      Perhaps nothing comes for free but has to be fought for and won by the sweat and blood of ordinary people. It would be lovely if we said .. please can I have equal marriage, and then the government says .. ofcourse you can, I’ll sort that out for you right away, … is there anything else I can do for you today? :D

  5. Too lttle, too late beatch

  6. I’ve already forgotten her name.

  7. So why didn’t you, you idiot?! Come on, shape up!

  8. Derek Williams 12 Aug 2013, 1:25pm

    Kevin Rudd for PM!

  9. You don’t have to be Australian to have a view? If JG was passionately committed to social justice and equality for everyone – how do you work that one out? It appears gay people were not included in your ‘everyone’

    1. One issue doesn’t block out all the good she did. If you live in the UK, you wouldn’t know how much she fought to get decent reforms through the parliament. Even less if you are not involved in Australian politics itself. I know everyone will think me an apologist but she was an inspiration to anyone from the left of politics.

      1. Sandgroper 13 Aug 2013, 3:05am

        I agree with you James. I think her achievements were huge against tremendous odds. I think it should also be remembered that she stripped out all the discrimination against Commonwealth Government (Federal) legislation and her one achilles heal was gay marriage, something I never and still don’t understand.

    2. Of course on a pure logical basis James claims make no sense at all. If in fact it was true that Gillard was ‘good’ on ‘other’ things then there is no way she would have been dumped so close to the election by her own people. That is the last thing any political part would do at this stage of an election cycle – unless they knew they had to.

      I think a lot of people would have had sympathy for Gillard playing the misogynist card (which was legitimate) except she treated the Australian GLBTI community in a similar way to the way she was claiming Abbot was treating her. Gillard had a problem with consistency.

      1. Sandgroper 13 Aug 2013, 2:56am

        John, the negative public view of Gillard was promoted reliantly by the Murdoch press. She was also white-anted by Rudd, whose ego had been severely dented by Gillard. Rudd’s government had become so chaotic due to his overbearing ego that something had to be done. You only have to listen to what his colleagues said of him and what colleagues said of Gillard.

        We should also remember that Rudd was against Equal Marriage Rights and his ‘conversion’ was at the behest and cajoling of his daughter Jessica.

  10. It’s so embarrassing being an Australian who has to live with the pollies! Seriously, Kevin Rudd says “yes to same sex marriage, now everyone is on the band wagon! Seriously?

    Now even Tony Abbott is slowly changing his mind about same sex marriage too! How come this wasn’t done last year in september when you had the chance!!?? Grr!!!

  11. New headline – lying, self-serving politician lies to gain favour.

    Now that she doesn’t have mental conservatives to appease it’s suddenly revealed that she wanted to make Australia more equal?

    That revelation wouldn’t be intended to help her continue in another position of power now, would it?

    Politician invariably means self-serving corrupt freak, with only a few exceptions.

  12. That There Other David 12 Aug 2013, 2:10pm

    I call this lies. Gillard is now attempting to soften the way her tenure is going to be perceived. She was obstructionist, and despite making all the right noises about equal rights seemed to believe that they only applied to some.

    1. This report didn’t even come from her. And I think despite being on the wrong side of history on this issue, history will treat her time in office very kindly.

      1. There’s something wrong with you, James. This woman is a horrible b!tch! She was voted out for a reason. A leader show help All their people.
        If you have some kind of crush on her, that’s your business but why you come on here and try to convince us she’s so good is a stupid thing to do.
        We all hate her for being so unkind to gay people.
        Go sing her praises to the Pope the rest of us hope we never hear about her again.

        1. colonelkira 12 Aug 2013, 4:47pm

          omg……you are so stupid it hurts my eyes to read your posts Darren…….her opposition to marriage equality was ALWAYS political and therefore obscene, but even before she was PM she voted for passjng equal rights to our community in the form of tax reform, pension reform etc…………

          Yes her stance on marriage was disgraceful, that , and i will say this slowly so even you can understand, DOES NOT automatically erase the good she did do.

          1. Sorry to hurt your eyes, you sensitive thing, but I wrote the truth. If you think that makes me stupid, I’ll wear that with honour. I am sure all sorts of odious people have done some good, but doesn’t give them the right to treat others badly.
            Hitler: sure I killed a few Jews, but I brought unemployment down!
            BTW, it doesn’t matter how slowly you type–idiot!

          2. Sandgroper 13 Aug 2013, 3:58am

            ‘before she was PM she voted for passjng equal rights to our community in the form of tax reform, pension reform’

            Exactly, there was more to her than her opposition to Equal Marriage. She did do a lot of good policy word which actually translated into legislation. In contrast to Gillard, I am grateful to Cameron for his stance on Equal Marriage, but for the rest of his policies I’m probably not so much a fan.

        2. Daren perhaps the name is not James but Juli? I mean now she is unemployed maybe she spends her days trolling the comment section of news sites in some kind of feeble attempt at redemption ? Or what ever is the Atheist equivalent.

          1. Good insight Ben

        3. Sandgroper 13 Aug 2013, 3:17am

          Hmmm, very intemperate and inflammatory rhetoric Darren. She did do good as well as bad. However bad you might think she was, you had better hope like hell that Abbott doesn’t get in.

          Remember what the Queensland Premier, Campbell Newman of the LNP did almost immediately they got into power – the revoked Anna Bligh’s Civil Partnership legislation. This, when all the conservative party members mouth off that there are more important things than Gay Marriage, i.e. the ‘economy’. This is a foretaste of the likely actions of a conservative Liberal government.

  13. Dan Filson 12 Aug 2013, 2:42pm

    As I recall Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard agreed before the leadership election result that whoever lost would quit politics. “It’s being reported by an Australian broadcaster that former Prime Minister Julia Gillard was tempted to drop her opposition to equal marriage during her time in office.” So what, she’s yesterday’s woman, and is now finished. She had her chance to change things for the better and blew it.

  14. Too late Julia. Your page in history has already been written and printed and the book has been closed. You will FOREVER be remembered as the Labour PM who opposed fairness, equality and justice for GLBT people and their families, even when your party and your country supported it.

    Let this be a lesson to others. Your actions TODAY will determine your legacy FOREVER.

    1. Exactly,
      shoulda-coulda-woulda plus a dollar will get you a cup of coffee.

  15. Changing her mind or lessening her stand would not changed any thing.

    Her vile rhetoric and belief expressed many times over during her tenure as PM made her disliked… an unexpected change in position or policy just before an election would not only have been suspicious, but showed her as a hypocrite.

    She reaped what she sowed and her loss was her own undoing!

  16. Common sense 15 Aug 2013, 1:09pm

    She was beholden to the right wing unions and he puppet strings of Joe De Bruin at he SDA. I hope she reflects now on how she failed gay Australia

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