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  1. Seems to me that the more freedoms and human rights we acquire, the more cautious we must become. That’s why it is essential that we do not just accept that people (particularly those of religion) are opposed to homosexuality. We must defend our rights vociferously.

    1. I strongly disagree with you in this case. While your statement makes sense
      in the United States and other liberal Western democracies, it is nonsense to
      risk one’s life to advocate for marriage equality in the fiercely homophobic Caribbean.

      Advocating for that there sets back gay rights. About a dozen countries there forbid gay sex, some with heavy time in prison. The strongest argument against legalizing gay people at all over there is the fear of marriage equality.

  2. Why do these dumb queens go to such countries with anti Gay laws & culture.

    They must live in a bubble. The attack sounds awful but the risk was always high!

    1. He was a Red Cross worker. I assume he had a group of friends and supporters in Haiti And most likely did not expect this sort of reaction . That being said if I were he would be more concerned about continuing to act as a Red Cross worker on that in that country if that is the case

      1. Even so, it does seem rather reckless, not to say foolhardy, to have such a ceremony (? Was it just a party?) in a place like Haiti.

        1. Why the hell have you been marked down for your reasoned comment!?!

        2. It was in a private residence according to the article so it’s hardly reckless or foolhardy of them celebrating their engagement in a private residence, perhaps their own home. As same-sex sexual activity has been legal in the country since 1986 they probably expected to be safe, especially by celebrating in private.

          1. Yes, you would hope so, but reports suggest that public attitudes are anything but positive towards gay people, and in the chaotic and even more impoverished state Haiti has been in since the earthquake I’d have thought the possibility of mob hostility would be quite high.

            Homosexuality is legal in Russia too after all, and just look at what’s happening there.

    2. there a no antigay law in Haiti, as you could have read in the article

      1. Swath up….its not got a good history re gay rights. And has many anti lgbt laws in place just as we dipost 1967!

        Add religion & less than open minded culture and you have major problems.

    3. Godric Godricson 12 Aug 2013, 12:52pm

      Younger people in progressive countries seem to think the world is a safe place because London and Amsterdam may be ‘gay friendly’. Haiti was not and probably never will be safe even for Haitians in heterosexual relationships.

  3. The more backward the country the more violent the reaction. This invariable trend is also demonstrated in parts of Europe.

  4. Why in hell would any intelligent person engage in sasocial event of this kind in such a backward country? I’m gay and it would never cross my mind to do anything like this in such a place. Nothing personal against the people of Haiti but the poorer, less educated, and more religious the corner of the world, the more homophobic they will be.

    1. I don’t know.. I’d expect this reaction in some parts of the U.S. from highly educated people. Sometimes by people who aren’t religious. Realistically, an anti gay mob could come from anywhere. But yes, Haiti was never a terribly open country. But you’d think with all the other problems they have, crashing a gay wedding would be the last thing on their minds.

  5. one of the poorest nations in the western hemisphere. no education. no healthcare system. high infant mortality. basically a dump.

    and what do they riot over? a same sex engagment party for a foreign aid worker who is helping them. Duhhhhhhh.

    it’s like a zombie movie.

  6. Another nation with excessive religious control and manipulation of the people – but remember, the “nice old Church” doesn’t hate the sinner, just the sin, supposedly.

    I used to dream of working for a charity like the Red Cross, until I realized that all the countries that need such assistance seem to have extreme religious views and are generally very violent and intolerant places full of bigotry and hatred – coincidence?

    The most stable nations on Earth are secular, the most violent and dangerous follow religious dogma.

    Haiti is another country on my “never visit” list, along with so many others.

  7. Haiti.

    If not dying in hunger and disgraced by one of the worst earthquake in the the history of humanity, they are also homophobic, it seems like this natural disasters thend to happen a lot where the bigoted people are.

    1. “Disgraced” by an earthquake? Earthquakes don’t “disgrace” and natural disasters can occur anywhere no matter how bigoted or how socially-liberal a country is. Only religious fundamentalists argue that natural disasters are caused by people. Perhaps you’re just using sarcasm.

  8. Some horrendous comments here. Someone who offers to go and help in the poorest, most battered country in the Western hemisphere is a “dumb queen” (Dan). The citizens of that country are castigated for not organising to fight poverty, lack of education and lack of healthcare (Mark Y), despite the fact that in the past they have – so the “enlightened” United States sent in the heavies. When natural disaster befalls these desperate people the commenter “yes” seems almost gratified.

    There’s obviously no excuse for any anti-LGBT violence come what may, but for some this seems like a pretext to extoll some pretty sickening attitudes.

    1. ….as a gay man yes i do think it was dumb of them regardless of it taking place in a private residence.

      Its too easy to be complacent about our safety!

      1. they obviously thought that western privilege would protect them and who cares about the local LGBT people

        1. Please explain what damaging effect this had on local LGBT people.

          1. Ok imagine the engagement party was in Moscow today how would you feel? Would you think it would be respectful to Russian LGBT people living in fear?

          2. Yes, it would be respectful. It would be showing them you’re not frightened of the consequences of being yourself. How would it be disrespectful? The only people being “respected” by silence are homophobes.

            It’s a good job people in this country and elsewhere never worried about the “disrespect” that campaigning for gay equality would cause.

          3. Ok I’ll be blunt . Wealthy typically white LGBT people go all over the Caribbean on cruises even to places like Jamaica on holiday. I think you are suggesting that LGBT people should spend more time in Russia
            It would be showing them you’re not frightened of the consequences of being yourself. How would it be disrespectful? The only people being “respected” by silence are homophobes

          4. agree with james , whats with hedonistcs gay cruises going to places where homosexuality is prosecuted and then those on board complaining if something goes wrong?

          5. Some truly bizarre strawman responses here. If a foreign aid worker had done this in Russia, I would be equally supportive of him or her.

            The victim in this article was not on a cruise for wealthy white people, he was working for the Red Cross in the poorest country in the Western hemisphere.

    2. GulliverUK 12 Aug 2013, 2:06pm

      You seem to be one of the few people talking any sense on this thread. I honestly don’t know what’s gotten in to people. Went downhill after the 2nd post and kept going. Very disappointing comments from some.

  9. Good hah! The locals couldn’t dream of having the luxury of marriage and probably live in fear without ever expressing their true identiy while these spoiled 1st worlders go there to lord it up. Selfish idiots maybe next time they’ss think about their black brothers and sisters living in fear. I can’t imagine someone have heir wedding in Russia but carribbean islands which treat people worse than Russians are allowed. I wonder why /sarcasm

    1. Yeah! Those spoiled first worlders who go to Haiti and lord it up by working for the Red Cross! It’s a shame they didn’t kill them, right?! That would be even funnier!


      1. And so what? working for the red cross is one thing. Getting married in an country where the locals live in fear and could never dream of getting married is the act of a selfish self absorbed person. The Red cross is a Christian organisation that has caused the hatred of LGBT people in Haiti. the voodoo religion does not discriminate against LGBT people so stuff the red cross

        1. They didn’t get married, they had an engagement ceremony. Doing so in a country rife with homophobia is not “selfish”, it is brave. The Red Cross is not a Christian organisation either, but do continue to spout your ignorance.

  10. good hah! local lgbt people would love to get married like these spoilt westerners instead they live in fear for their lives

    Selfish idiots I can imagine the uproar if they did that in Russia but it’s only poor black LGBT people so they don’t matter

    1. You still haven’t answered whether or not it would have been good or funny if they’d been killed. Or is it only good and funny if they’re attacked?

      1. It’s no different than saying gay couples who kiss in public and are attacked deserved it because society doesn’t like it and think it’s icky and weird and it’s /their/ fault for putting themselves at risk for loving, and not /societies/ fault for putting them at risk by hating them for no good reason.

  11. GulliverUK 12 Aug 2013, 2:01pm

    Seriously, lots of unwarranted condemnation of other gay people who are trying to do good in a country hit by an earthquake.

    Far too judgmental IMO.

    Don’t attack the gay couples, attack the people who don’t respect others, don’t respect human rights, should be far more humble given their country fell apart and people came from all over to help rebuild it.

    With behavior like this aid groups may decide it’s just too dangerous and leave, and if they ever have another earthquake people might think twice before offering help. The mob should have been locked up, small groups like that should never be allowed to destroy the reputation of the whole country. I’m sure most Haitians don’t care about such things.

  12. This is just pure jealousy – “You are happy, I am not, so that makes me angry”

    Let it be known that our weddings can not be spoiled or ruined or belittled no matter how many eggs or bottles you throw, because love conquers hate, always.

  13. What made him go to this hell hole, it only looks nice in pictures. Its just like Malaysia out and out bigot’s foul teachings and totally far right. Never give an Islamic country your money.

    1. Is this sarcasm? I genuinely can’t tell

      In case it’s not, he didn’t go there on holiday. He went there, I’m guessing, with the Red Cross to try and stop it from being a “hell hole” (a hell hole in good part thanks to the American government quashing its attempts to improve life for the majority). It’s also not an “Islamic” country.

  14. Keith in SALFORD 12 Aug 2013, 5:11pm

    They could have gone to Blackpool;
    It’s gorra nice new “Weddin’ Shed” there, on t’ Prom tiddly-om-pom…


  15. Keith in SALFORD 12 Aug 2013, 5:13pm

    We sat there in this cayf, this Riviera cayf,
    The menu was in French and the plumbing was unsafe.
    We ordered tea for two, it cost us 12/9,
    And something in a bag was floating round in mine.
    And all the while the music played,
    And people fraternised right up the esplanade.
    I told the wife we’d be better off in Blackpool;
    It’s more genteel and you can get a decent meal.
    This French high life–we’d be better off in Blackpool.
    I told the wife, and the wife she said to me,
    ‘Mais oui.’
    We sat there in this cayf, an hour or two went by.
    A garcon in a vest was giving her the eye—
    We ordered steak & chips, they brought us something stewed;
    It smelt like it was off and looked extremely rude
    And all the while the music played,
    And what went on put Dolce Vita in the shade.
    I told the wife we’d be better off in Blackpool;
    They’ve got a pier, which is more than they’ve got here.
    Frogs on my knife–we’d be better off in Blackpool.

  16. Keith in SALFORD 12 Aug 2013, 5:14pm

    …..but the wife and this garcon..
    They’d gone…!

  17. johnny 33308 12 Aug 2013, 5:14pm

    Not very bright to have such a ‘party’ in such a pace…might as well have it in Moscow or Tehran, or Kampala… should KNOW better, really….

  18. What a very odd set of comments.

    Some commenters seem to think the “British man” was engaging in white-knuckle engagement tourism, perhaps selecting Haiti because Afghanistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia were booked up.

    But no, he is not pioneering a new extreme sport. “Max”, the British Red Cross Worker, is engaged to a Haitian partner, who lives in Haiti. That’s why the party was in Haiti.

    And presumably Max is planning to marry his Haitian boyfriend not in order to offend the sensibilities of either straight or gay Haitians, but so that he and his husband-to-be can build a life together, presumably somewhere they won’t be petrol bombed.

    And since they certainly won’t be getting married in Haiti, I imagine they wanted to have an engagement party with their Haitian friends as those friends will mostly not be able to attend the wedding.

    The story here is “Haitian man holds private party celebrating engagement to British boyfriend: gatecrashers try to murder the happy couple”.

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