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Peter Tatchell: Pope Francis still presides over homophobia despite saying he won’t judge gay people

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  1. Pope Frankie is still a bigot. This “don’t judge gay people” is part and parcel of the whole Catholic “hate the sin love the sinner” lie.

    He won’t judge us – so long as we’re celibate, closeted or trying to be straight. No judgement so long as we reject and suppress ourselves.

    Since priests are celibate, there’s no judgement. But that isn’t a change – the church has always said celibate gay people are ok

    It doesn’t change that he’s a bigot who fights our human rights at every turn (look at the Catholic bishops fighting against ENDA in the states right now – clearly the church DOES want us to be marginalised).

    Frankie is an expert spin doctor. Don’t fall for his PR moves

  2. He wasn’t even talking about gay lay people. He was talking about gay priests.

    Go read the original article at The Wall Street Journal.

    You can’t ever trust what you read in PN!

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 30 Jul 2013, 1:14pm

      His church will only accept us wholly if we all remain celibate, including clergy. That hasn’t changed and won’t. He’s not just talking about gay priests at all. It’s the position of the church and its catechism calls our sexual behavior ‘disordered’. You wouldn’t call that ‘judging’? Nothing in his statement has or will change anything as long as we do not refrain from sexual relationships.

  3. Cardinal Hmmm 30 Jul 2013, 1:48pm

    I think the change in tone is welcome; it comes across as that “being gay should not be a big deal, and if it’s a sin, well, we’re all sinners”.

    A big difference from the apparently obsessional Benedict and his ranting that acceptance of gay people means the end of the world.

    This change of tone and emphasis on non discrimination could also help with decriminalisation in the many parts of the world, where marriage equality is not remotely on the horizon. The church(es) in these places have been behind not just keeping criminal sanctions against gay people, but strengthening such sanctions, using the bogeyman of “gay marriage” as a justification for “holding back the tide” by maintaining the status quo of criminalising gays.

    For example, this was plainly given by politicians as the reason for keeping an unenforced law against gay male sex in Singapore – they want to keep the bar where it is, it seems because of pressure from all denominations of conservative Christians there.

    1. RoughRugger 30 Jul 2013, 2:33pm

      A change in tone is DEFINITELY welcome, but it should be seen as nothing more than exactly that: a change in TONE. The substance of what he’s saying is unchanged…homosexuality is not wrong in and of itself, but homosexual acts are.

      1. Philip Breen 30 Jul 2013, 4:04pm

        But it is a vocal disapproval of institutional homophobia in the Church and that is news.

  4. RoughRugger 30 Jul 2013, 2:31pm

    THANK YOU TATCHELL. I’ve been saying this ever since the pope’s statements: he didn’t say anything new, he just said the same old BS a lot more nicely.

  5. Peter is correct in what he says, but as we have seen from the whole equality debate, change comes in the UK, for example, by increment, not revolution. So we should welcome the change of tone from Francis I and continue to work towards a rational understanding of human sexuality and help the Church to do so too. Readers may find the following link fascinating – I did!

    http://io9.com/gay-marriage-in-the-year-100-ad-951140108

  6. George Broadhead 30 Jul 2013, 4:16pm

    Let us be clear what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says about
    homosexual acts:

    “Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity [Cf. Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:10; 1Tim 1:10], tradition has always declared that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered. They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.”

    The Pope makes no reference to this of course and the hostile stance of the RC Church is there for all to read.

  7. godric godricson 30 Jul 2013, 5:00pm

    Francis, Bishop of Rome, is trying to “run with the hare and hunt with the hounds” This is an archaic way of explaining how someone can try and simultaneously support two competing sides in an argument. The Catholic position on homosexuality is quite clear and their tradition is that homosexuality is wrong and sinful. This has always been hypocritical because there are so many closet cases in the Church. Francis is trying to move towards the position adopted by Anglicans which is “Love the sinner and hate the sin” with all that entails.

    The position increasingly adopted by Francis is inadequate because it fails to promote, facilitate and advance equality. Yes, Francis is adopting a new tone although none of us should be lulled into thinking that Roman Catholics are experiencing a seismic shift in how the Church conceptualises LGBTI people. To the Roman Catholic Hierarchy we always were and continue to be “Untermenschen” or inferior people.

  8. RJ Abada, OFM 31 Jul 2013, 1:33am

    i agree that there is nothing wrong with ‘lobbying’ for human rights

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