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Archbishop of Canterbury: ‘Popular opinion on equal marriage is not a case for changing obedience to God’

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  1. Garry Cassell 30 Jul 2013, 1:50pm

    Wilby, you’re a real dough head…What give you the right to vote on a bill in the house of lords…you’re not elected by the people…hang your head in shame…Do you have to wonder why people leave the church?…Just take a look in the mirrorYou are an insult to God..

  2. Robert in S. Kensington 30 Jul 2013, 1:52pm

    Drop dead, Welby. Our allegiance first and foremost is to obey the laws of the land, not your fictitious sky pixie, delusional loon. He doesn’t speak for the Unitarians, Quakers, Liberal Judaism and others of faith who support the new marriage law. The arrogance of this man is mind boggling. Not everyone is a believer, not everyone is an Anglican. Get over yourself, Welby.

  3. You’re quite right, Justin. Populal opinion is not justification, but basic decency and humanity is mire than enough.

    Incidentally you little cookbook of mistranslated stories from the cave is no justification either.

    1. *more

  4. Heshould say obedience to mistranslated and misunderstood homophobic garbage

    1. absolutely.

      “popular opinion” may not be a good reason, but modern scholarly study and correction of centuries of purposeful mistranslation of ancient texts ARE good reasons to do so.

  5. The Bishop 30 Jul 2013, 2:03pm

    It really is time to end the block vote of 25+ that the Church of England has in the House of Lords. I suspect the real reason they backed down after they failed to block the law, was because if they continued, it would have led to strong calls for them to lose their voting rights.

  6. Time to put this to bed Archbishop, you lost, get used to it.

    1. GulliverUK 30 Jul 2013, 3:05pm

      Yeah, but I love the way he was so thick and out-of-touch that he only realised at the last moment that opinion everywhere had changed.

      I mean how stupid do you have to be to have no read the briefing papers, the research papers, looked at all the polls, 2 years ago, before he even got the job, and say .. you know what, things have changed, I’m going to look like a total dick and very homophobic if I oppose this. And yet, this git voted against it, and brought in bishops like a mob to oppose it.

  7. Mr Welby, may I remind you that the bible is not above the Law. Equal Marriage is now Law in England & Wales and not merely “popular opinion” although the legislation most certainly seems to be very popular indeed.

    Mr Welby, may I also remind you that your so-called obedience to God has certainly changed over the past 2000 years as the world is no long a misogynistic and patriarchal society that condones slavery as well as corporal and capital punishments for absurd alleged criminal acts at the whim of some perceived higher power.

    1. Jock S. Trap 30 Jul 2013, 2:27pm

      Funny how it goes though isn’t it?

      Now they finally admit it was popular but before the Bill past it was dictatory and undemocratic with so many not backing it.

      Just goes to show how they twist things to suit their bitter arguments!

  8. Iron age ideas and literature must trump current knowledge and thinking every time Justin.

  9. This man proper gives me the creeps, he always looks evil and scary in photos.

    Go away creepy scary man !

    Mr. Pink

  10. Archbishop of Canterbury, still a bigot then.

    No change there

  11. Don’t believe god addressed the subject the early church fathers, yes.

  12. I agree with the archbishop – well said sir!

    1. Jock S. Trap 30 Jul 2013, 2:28pm

      Of course you think that… You’re told to!

      I prefer to think for myself and live life to the full.

    2. You’re absolutely right.
      there is NO reason on Earth to take a second look at medieval mistranslations of 2000 yr old Greek and Aramaic texts. Let’s just stick to the lies and deceit. It’s worked so far rather well, don’t you think?

    3. why be such a wank stain ?

  13. Jock S. Trap 30 Jul 2013, 2:24pm

    As per usual, the religious will use their lives to question life.

    I just prefer to get on with it. When the Marriage bill comes into force next week… I’ll have the choice and still get on with life.

    It seems religious people spend so much time bickering and questioning life they forget to live it.

    Dull, dull, dull! Life’s for living, not questioning.

  14. Yes, do as God tells you. Let’s start with a review of divorce and til death us do part.

    If you can accept that that can be changed why not marriage?

    1. GulliverUK 30 Jul 2013, 3:10pm

      What really, really pisses me off, is that this dumbo is not an intellectual, we have a PR man at the top of the Anglican church.

      This is what Williams said in 1989

      “in a church which accepts the legitimacy of contraception, the absolute condemnation of same-sex relations of intimacy must rely either on anabstract fundamentalist deployment of a number of very ambiguous texts, or on a problematic and non-scriptural theory about natural complementarity, applied narrowly and crudely to physical differentiation without regard to psychological structures.

      Williams recognised that there is no legitimacy in the Biblical texts for this homophobia, which they cite as god’s law. If they had a real scholar and intellectual at the top they might have a chance of recovery, but with this wingnut the church is finished.

      Every time this guy opens his mouth he puts his foot in it.

      1. They did. Williams. Went nowhere. Seems they can’t squeeze an intellectual and a courageous leader into the same body. But given the religion attracts the intellectually weak and the emotionally fearful, it’s perhaps no surprise.

  15. I think Christians need to cut out the middle men ie the pope and the archibishop and speak directly with God. If he does exist, I suspect he isn’t such a c*unt as these guys and would actually be a rather nice man.

  16. The C of E has exchanged a weasel for a ferret.

    Ruth loved Naomi
    David loved Jonathan
    Jesus loved John
    Jesus healed the centurion’s “pais” (lover)

    Get over your misinformed self,
    + Cantuar!

  17. GulliverUK 30 Jul 2013, 2:42pm

    The Archbishop is right, you shouldn’t change your principles, but when those principles are, themselves, based on lies, forgery, deceit, fake homophobic interpretation, then you are holding on to lies. The Bible is so full contradition and holes it has no credibility at all.

    I think more and more people are now realising this, and together with the very homophobic attitude of Anglicans like Welby, and hate-filled tossers like Carey, the church is in terminal decline, and has been for decades.

    So you go right ahead, and preach what you like, but you’ll be preaching to a near empty church. Anglicanism has allowed its leaders to marginalise themselves because of their homophobic and dishonesty and hatred. I’m not glad to see the Anglican church going down the sewer, but that’s their choice, they’ve lost their way, they are no longer teaching love and acceptance for all, they don’t deserve to survive.

    ps. There is no god you pillock.

    1. Yeah- just hatred- they’re sad

  18. But usury is okay, Welby?

  19. Kerry Hollowell 30 Jul 2013, 2:58pm

    obedience to god!? do me a favour, when was the last time a C of E vicar presided over stoning a bride to death because she was not a virgin on her wedding day?
    why do these evil vile people choose to follow the nasty bits of the bible that affect gay people and not all the other equally nasty bits that affect straight people?

  20. Tom Cotner 30 Jul 2013, 2:59pm

    I stand with Desmond Tutu. I’d rather be in hell than worship a homophobic God.

    Incidentally, this wombat (and I do not mean an insult to true wombats) is one who calls Jesus as God. I’ve never read anything which says that Jesus ever – ever said anything about homosexuality.
    So, as far as I am concerned, this idiot is trying to put words in God’s mouth.

    Talk about cheek!!!!

  21. If god ever tells me to do something i’ll do it. However that is quite unlikely as god dosent exist. What does exist are some very unpleasant people who claim to know what god wants.How does welby know what god wants I wonder , voices in his head ?

  22. Mizzz Welby needs to change ‘er meds.

  23. Michael Walsh 30 Jul 2013, 3:20pm

    It was enough for the founder of the Church of England. Oh no, sorry – it wasn’t popular opinion, it was his own.

  24. I’m just an immigrant and new to all this but, isn’t the Queen his boss? Didn’t she just sign the marriage equality bill into law? Shouldn’t he just shut the f*ck up?

  25. Just another nutter who sees his power go down the drain & gets desprerate

  26. Peter Gregory 30 Jul 2013, 3:45pm

    The the one with the bigger hat seems to be ahead of you at the moment.

  27. Listen to Desmond Tutu Arch and be positive, preaching defensive negative messages means no one listnes at the end. He would say that wouldn’t he!

  28. Robert in S. Kensington 30 Jul 2013, 4:05pm

    The CoE was part and parcel of homophobia and its institution, a legacy of the Roman cult after Henry VIII made divorce fashionable. It has infested government, political life and society. To date, no apology from Canterbury for all the harm it condoned, promoted and fomented towards gay people throughout its history.

  29. godric godricson 30 Jul 2013, 4:06pm

    I wrote to +Cantuar recently about his foray into Wongaland. I referred to him as an Anglican Jihadi because this is the role in which he has chosen to caste himself. Welby wants to be a crusading Archbishop whilst at the same time mouthing sweet words. Welby is clearly a hypocrit and not to be trusted. Welby’s attempt at a Jihad against Wonga fell flat on its arse and his recent message will go the same way!

    1. I almost started to believe in God after the Wonga fiasco…..It could have been from an episode of the Simpsons or South Park…Plus Wonga and Welby are so alliterative, one would have to have a heart of stone not to conjoin the two forever more…The man’s barely been in the job a year and he’s become a laughing stock……who’d want the job next?…

  30. Neil Robinson 30 Jul 2013, 4:06pm

    And here was I thinking ‘obedience to God’ was about treating others as you yourself would like to be treated (Matthew 7.12).

  31. Mihangel apYrs 30 Jul 2013, 4:08pm

    that noce Desmond Tutu seems to take a different take from the Archbigot of Catabury

  32. Christopher Coleman 30 Jul 2013, 4:19pm

    Amazing how believers use “God” so frequently and easily! You might almost think they know what the word means.

  33. godric godricson 30 Jul 2013, 4:41pm

    Welby is a wearisome self publicist. He’s now getting in on the debate in the House of Lords about Fracking. Trying to gain support by defending the North of England against the comments of Lord Howe. Are we going to hear “Welby the Wearisome” on every news story?

  34. A lost cause, if ever I saw one.

  35. and how does the uk still have an unelected house of lords to reign over it? wow, you really have to hold your breath and close your eyes and hope the coin drops in one’s favour. please tell me what the benefits are to maintain the status quo.

    1. The benefits to keeping the house of lords are perfectly obvious: it provides a well-equipped, well remunerated social club membership of which offers a useful tool for governments to bribe potentially troublesome back-benchers to compliance. It’s only got 800 members each able to claim £300/a day in ‘expenses’ for rolling up and having a drink at the bar. What’s your problem? Why else do you think the Labour party combined with the Tories to scupper the Lid-Dem attempts to reform the place, yet again? It’s far too useful a trough for snouts of all parties to plunge into for them to get rid of it, no matter what they say in their manifesto…..Stop complaining…next thing you’ll be expecting to have an electoral system in which your vote actually counts!

  36. Bigotry, wilful ignorance and/or closed-mindedness, popular or unpopular at any given time within country, does not change the fact that God blesses same-sex marriages and is perfectly happy with how he made gay people.

  37. Some clerics of the Dutch Reform Church in South Africa said the same thing when Apartheid was abolished – equality to all races may now be the law of the land but those who believe in segregation and the divine right of the white man to rule over the black society, need not change their obedience to God and support the new constitution of equality. Racial equality and same sex equality are exactly the same Archbishop – you stand on the wrong side of history with some very unsavoury bedfellows if you seek to perpetuate inequality, bigotry and prejudice.

    1. GulliverUK 30 Jul 2013, 7:35pm

      Many denominations are split in to black and white, the group which hate gay people most is the White Evangelical group – this is how they’re listed on religious polls. I read a story posted back in 2000 by this Black women who went to join her local Catholic church here in the UK (remembering that in Latin America there are many Black Catholics), and she noted that the congregation were all white, and quiet unfriendly to her, she felt unwelcome simply because of her skin colour, even though she was a practicing (odd phrase) Catholic.

      Great post btw.

  38. Michael 2912 30 Jul 2013, 6:18pm

    This is a message for Justin 5-kids Welby:

    You want the Church to compete Wonga out of existence. I want Secularism to compete your Church out of existence.

    You’ve got your so-called quadruple lock. Do the decent thing: get stuffed.

  39. art Pearson 30 Jul 2013, 8:02pm

    I’d like to ask the Archbishop who’s God he is referring to, his or mine?

  40. Colin (London) 30 Jul 2013, 9:55pm

    Well at least he has admitted that the rest of the country has moved on with the times, education, science etc., in equality and human rights…
    What does that say about him!!!!!!

    Laughing stock comes to mind.

    1. Colin (London) 30 Jul 2013, 9:57pm

      How about trying to get 100,000 votes to get the religious lot out of the House of Lords?

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