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28 arrested after protesters throw eggs at Baltic Pride

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  1. Robert in S. Kensington 27 Jul 2013, 4:52pm

    About time the ECHR became tougher on these backward Baltic states. Boot the buggers out of the EU I say and raise the bar even higher for membership. Either grant LGBT people basic human rights or stay out.

    1. These countries are right on the border with Russia. And you know as well as anyone else here that if these small countries are forced to leave the EU, they will be sucked up into Russia’s sphere of influence whether they want to be or not, and their LGBT citizens will be subject to the backwards movement and all the homophobia that comes with the association.
      The Baltic countries are making some progress, it is slow, and they are quite a way behind countries in Western Europe, but it is still progress. And the fact that those who were arrested were those in opposition to the Pride shows to me that in spite of the homophobia that exists out there, their law favors equality.

      1. I admire your optimistic point of view re civil rights progress, but as someone who has followed the situation for many years in Greece, and has seen the progress made thus far in Greece successfully blunted by the Greek gov’t and church, I am somewhat pessimistic about a positive outcome, certainly in the immediate future. Greek LGBTs in Athens have staged several years of Pride, and not a single law has changed or a single open LGBT has been elected to the Greek Parliament – such is the power of the Greek Orthodox Church. Meanwhile, the fascist Golden Dawn party has managed to gain several seats, and it has the backing of the church. Until enough openly ‘out’ LGBTs are elected to municipal and parliamentary office, and LGBTs have a share in political power, nothing will change. This looks like window-dressing for EU approval.

        1. Lithuania has at least one open gay parliament member elected. It is Rokas Zilinskas. He marched Baltic Pride 2010. Thanks for him.
          I participated the march 2013. It was beautiful from inside. Media is describing event rather from negative side. But how much joy there was inside! It is not described. Thanks for all who participated and made it happen.

          1. I’m one of the people who marched for equality as well, the media has definitely twisted the event out of proportion, the atmosphere at the even was that of a celebration, the opponents did not manage to screw it up for anyone, and most of them became the laughing stock of the rest of spectators and marchers. Definitely a HUGE improvement since 2010. The law is definitely on the right side here, and we get more and more positive press too. Remember, even in UK the process took some 20 odd years since the first march to full equality (if it exists already?). Here its only been 2 pride events with a 3 year gap between them..

    2. Latvia and Lithuania are very conservative when it comes to LGBT rights yes, these are Baltic states. Estonia is much more liberal when it comes to LGBT rights than its southern neighbours. Actually Estonians are a Finnic people not a Baltic people and their language is Finnic, being closely related to Finnish in the Finno-Ugric branch of the Uralic languages. This is a country which culturally is very similar to its northern neighbour but not it’s southern ones, most Estonians consider themselves Nordic rather than Baltic.

      A poll in 2012 showed that 51% of ethnic Estonians support registered partnerships for gay couples, which is high for a country which was under Soviet rule for 50 years. Those 50 years of its long history have influenced how we perceive Estonia, it was also under Swedish rule for 300 years and had Finland become a part of the Soviet Union we too would consider it “an Eastern European” and perhaps “Baltic” state.

    3. Keith, the eventual winner. 28 Jul 2013, 3:28pm

      In Britain connsensual adult incest is illegal even where there is no pregnancy risk. In Russia , bestiality , consensual adult incest and de facto polygamy are all legal which makes Russia the more progressive, and sexually tolerant than Britain, hypocrite!

      1. What the fûck are you waffling on about?

      2. Beelzeebub 28 Jul 2013, 5:58pm

        “Keith, the eventual winner”

        Err. Nope.

        Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013 c.30

        http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2013-14/marriagesamesexcouplesbill.html

        You and your sad ilk have lost across the board.

        Now please p!ss off, I’m sure there is a moon somewhere requiring some stones thrown at it.

        You do however have the option of ditching your gay devised computer/web ( Turing, Berners-Lee ) which you spew your bilge through and nipping off to Russia, Uganda or parts of Africa.

        I cannot contemplate what it is like to have such hate and poison for anything.

        Painful cancer was devised for sh1ts like you.

        I do hope you suffer it.

  2. Georg Friedrich 27 Jul 2013, 5:17pm

    I am not surprised at all. Lithuania still is most homophobic place in the 3 Baltic states – in contrary to Latvia and Estonia, who in they history a very long time was under German-Scandinavian influence, Lithuania still have very strong historical, cultural and indeed psychological ties with the Slavic world (not only Poland, but Ukraine and Russia too). Indeed, in some sense its nothing more than caricature of Russia, just smaller. And of course, in the EU: its actually one from 9 European state members (together with Germany, Italy, Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Romania and Bulgaria) who already since 2008 are blocking in the EU-Commission an proposition to ban discrimination of the ground of sexual orientation at all levels of the public life. Only defeat of Mrs Merkel and her Christian Democrats in Germany this September can be change this situation. Unfortunetaly, it looks less and less possible…

  3. Despite what’s said in the article, the event had a tremendous success. No participant was injured, although homophobes had a pretty free access. The media coverage is rather objective, so anyone can see what values he stands for.

    It’s funny to note that Kaunas – second larges Lithuanian city – held a “traditional family march” which was mentioned in only one insignificant article.

    1. I think its a nice addition to the Pride in Vilnius.. We should have one in Vilnius too, same day as the pride, so that homophobes wouldnt cry they have nowhere else to be.. :))

  4. Petras Grazulis is not a former politician as described in the article.

    He is a CURRENT member of Lithuanian Parliament!!

    1. Thats true, there was another, former politician, Mr Sustauskas who had also been arrested..

  5. it wentt all very good! 5-7 years ago i couldnt even imagine that gay pride could be on the gedimino avenue, the heart of vilnius, the biggest and most famous street. i was really suprised when i saw videos, that protesters were so close to those who were marching, at some points there were no police close, but no one was attacked or hurt. that is very positive thing, people become less agressive, and if they dont like parade , they mostly only protest, without any violence, and of course it is their right! and many people were very positive to the gay parade, they supported it. Latvian man who participated in this pride, said it was the most succesfull, biggest baltic pride. All 3 baltic countries have long way to go yet, cause i couldnt state that one of theese countries is more liberal than others two ( as some here said), so all 3 should go the same way further. but the progress is very visible.

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