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  1. Really? Who cares?

    1. Ill add the lib dems Ganesh us policies that they didn’t believe I as they trout they wouldn’t get into power. I hope 2015 will see them become irrelevant and see clegg leave the uk for Europe. Laws tether and cable allowed Cameron and osbourne to vilify the poorest

      1. Really? Who cares?

  2. A bit confusing, you say LGBT should be part of “mainstream” sport and then go to compare LGBT people in sport to the paraolympics or suggest that a seperate olympics for LGBT is a good thing.

    They are parallel events , not part of the mainstream olympics which is open to LGBT people. Are you suggesting we should be part of a separate system?

    1. St Sebastian 25 Jul 2013, 11:49pm

      Until gay sportspeople feel comfortable and accepted enough that their sexuality is not an issuse when it comes to sports, especially team sports, then the Gay Games are a good transition device to raise awareness. When being a gay sportsperson is ‘yeah, whatever’ and sponsorship is on an equal basis, the Gay Games will cease to have the traction required to stage as a separate event.

      1. St Sebastian 25 Jul 2013, 11:50pm

        oops, issuse = issue

  3. Just a thought, but maybe those other countries you feel you be supporting to achieve equal marriage could start with the rest of the UK – Scotland and Northern Ireland?

    If the resources put into the English/Welsh campaign were transferred to Scotland and NI, then it would make it much easier to get marriage equality throughout the rest of the UK.

    1. Remember, we’re still fighting the battle for marriage equality in Scotland and NI!

      1. St Sebastian 25 Jul 2013, 11:54pm

        …and pensions, bullying, pink ceilings, gay aged care etc etc. There are many fronts that remain in our fight for equality, acceptance and the ultimate, ambivalence.

        1. Yes, you’re right, I agree. But I was making the point that since same sex marriage became law in England & Wales last week, too many people (based in London mostly) have said things which suggest they think it’s law throughout the UK, or at least that it’s not an issue for them anymore.

          This article specifically says that it’s time to move on to other battles now that equal marriage has been achieved – not in all parts of the UK, it hasn’t!

          It’s especially annoying when it comes from political parties like this, and the leader of a main party’s gay wing too. Aren’t Scotland & Northern Ireland part of the UK? Or are the Westminster Lib Dems only concerned with what happens in England?

  4. I’d say the main battle now, as before, is to stop homophobic bullying.

    1. and educating kids in ‘all’ schools that being LGBT is perfectly normal and not something to be hated or pitied.

      1. St Sebastian 26 Jul 2013, 12:03am

        and the ‘epithet’ gay being equated to the now taboo ‘n’ word. Homophobia is just as abhorrent as racism.

  5. Maybe the Lib Dems should concentrate on asking why so many of their MPs put their religious views ahead of their constituents’ equality?

    Democratic? Yes. Liberal? Not a chance.

    1. Sacre bleu 26 Jul 2013, 2:25am

      Absolutely. Wouldn’t it be great if we could live in a world where law was made with sole reference to rational principles and where freedom of religion was permitted on the proviso that its influences and consequences restricted to members of that religion.

      Not all religious beliefs are bad, but the constructive ones can easily be justified on a rational basis. Thus it should be an criminal offence to inflict religious beliefs on the broader community.

  6. Beelzeebub 25 Jul 2013, 9:10pm

    Why are you comparing gay people to disabled people.

    I am not and never have been disabled.

    My sexuality is NOT a disablement rendering a need for special state intervention in sport.

    My mentally handicapped sister would also disagree with your pithy comparisons.

    The next BIG BATTLE is keeping the idiotic religious goons out of schools.

    This is the ROOT cause of most of the homophobia we historically and currently experience.

    If you are the future of the Liberal party then bye bye.

    You clearly have no idea.

    PS. Get a decent barber.

    Ditch the obligatory suit.

    You remind me of William Hague when he was Thatchers play thing in the 80’s.

    1. Beelzeebub 25 Jul 2013, 9:31pm

      Apologies for being blunt, but you just come across as another “never held down a proper job” politician.

      Your web site states you as a career politician however no career profile can be found other than this pointlessness:

      “Adrian Trett has lived in Cann Hall for 5 years. He has worked for Southwark Council for the past five years including Housing, Regeneration and currently Children Services departments. Previously, Adrian worked in the City for a company specialising in Legal and financial translation.”

      No comment on abilities or even age, experience or ability.

      To be honest I would not want an ill informed inexperienced politically career driven person like yourself represent me in a chip shop let alone a parliament.

    2. St Sebastian 26 Jul 2013, 2:29am

      Some of your post is rational but there is too much personal stuff. To use a sporting analogy ‘play the ball, not the man’.

    3. You think being disabled is a sign of weakness. Shame on you some of the best people I have ever met were people with disabilities.

    4. The comparison between LGBT+ and differently-abled people is made on the basis of similar unwarranted discrimination each suffers, and is thus quite appropriate. The ‘special state intervention’ is a means of compensating for the ‘closeting’ each group has had forced upon them by a prejudiced society, and an effective way of redressing this. Imagine how you might feel like if a disabled person denied they were gay with your vehemence and indignation, and perhaps you might re-consider your comments.

  7. Maybe we should finish the battle of equal marriage throughout the rest of the UK before moving on to the next battle.

    I’ve been really disappointed that many people think the fight for equal marriage is over because it’s law in England & Wales. Will the Lib Dems at UK level support equal marriage in Scotland & NI, for example? From this article, it seems not, they’re already on to the next battle.

  8. My MP Sarah Teather voted against the second reading of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill and didn’t bother to reply when I asked her why. I wouldn’t bank on LibDems doing anything if they find it electorally disadvantageous.

    1. It was her Catholic faith that drove her decision to vote against the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill. It is a disgrace that a subjective and personal rationalisation, i.e. religion can override her earlier support based on an objective appraisal justified on equality. Shame on Sarah Teather for her imposing religion on others – one wonders how she feels about the institutionalised misogyny in the Catholic Church and which way she would vote to end such misogyny. Pffft

      1. That and the thought of losing her seat! I’ve got news for her, she’d probably have lost it anyway. Too many people who voted Lib Dem in 2010 are still angry that they went into coalition with the Tories and then subsequently backtracked on their tuition fees pledge.

        The following year, they were wiped out in the Scottish Parliament election, going from 15 or 16 seats to 5 seats. And that’s with a proportional voting system, so it more accurately reflects their share of the vote. But even that hasn’t got through to Lib Dem MPs at Westminster (why should they care, it’s only Scotland) who think they’ll be forgiven by 2015.

        Nick Clegg may have led his party into government, but he’ll also be responsible for leading it to political oblivion.

    2. Which political party would you bank on for doing anything they found electorally disadvantageous, as a matter of interest?

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