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After no coverage, Daily Mail uses equal marriage a week after it became law to attack David Cameron

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  1. Common sense 25 Jul 2013, 10:59pm

    For once I agree with the Daily Mail. While gay marriage is celebrated at home, it is a hugely divisive issue in much of the world and in sub Saharan Africa in particular there are politicians already saying it is the welts agenda to force it on them. They do so to marginalise the reformists asking for homosexuality to be decriminalised and it is achieving that decriminalisation and not gay marriage that Cameron should be arguing diplomatically with these nations

    1. It is not like he is enforcing slavery again; but, the right for everyone to be equal. Even the ignorant and the religies should be able to understand such a concept.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 25 Jul 2013, 11:52pm

        Clearly, the Mail and its reader can’t.

        1. I think they understand it, but don’t like it.

    2. I would have thought that any efforts to encourage gay marriage in other countries would first have to get over their criminalization of homosexuality first. Just a bit of common sense there.

    3. I doubt Cameron is talking Uganda or Iran here anyway – he’s probably aiming more for countries in Western Europe or Latin America, where there’s already some momentum for marriage equality in the region but not necessarily the political will in every country.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 25 Jul 2013, 11:50pm

        Exactly, and it goes to show the ignorance of the Daily Mail but then that’s what it caters to, the ignorant, Little Britain of the bigoted and ill-informed.

  2. Because of all the ecstasy after the same sex marriage bill passing we forgot that on 16 July, it was exactly 20 years since the Daily Mail, under its current editor, ran the headline ‘abortion hope after gay gene find’. Dacre is a dinosaur from the days when outright homophobia was the norm. Shame he was never taken to task for in under Leveson.

  3. It seems some people do not understand the concepts of ‘equality’ and ‘human rights’, particularly the Christian fundamentalists.

    I think JC would be very disappointed and ashamed of them.

  4. and once again the Mail and Telegraph find themselves on the wrong side of history. they can print what they like – we won.

  5. Might I suggest that Cameron send his ‘bill team’ to Russia first.

    http://goo.gl/5nx9qL (not spam)
    Disturbing image and video.
    Thugs luring homosexuals through social media sites, then not only taking a video of the ensuing physical assault, but also distributing said footage around their community as a way of outing homosexuals.

    1. Mr. stuie. I just watched this video and I’m shocked and I found it so disturbing I started crying in my office. What a horrible thing to do to a person. I so wish I could help in anyway, but unfortunately we can’t.
      Have a good day mate.

    2. If someone were to collect all these cases and showed them to the “world”, then maybe people will start pressuring the governments to stop this nonsense. Maybe show them to the Olympic athletes going to Russia, so that they can make an embarrassing stance to the people watching them.

  6. Ofcourse aid should be conditional on not abusing the human rights of your citizens, in fact we demand it.

    As to those papers, if you don’t like them, don’t buy them. The papers have a readership of a certain age profile, with certain ingrained views and political leanings, which those papers serve .. for now .. whilst that type of human being is still living. The online version is typically geared to a younger generation, leaning towards Hello and OK. You won’t find adverts for Stannah stairlifts online. Both papers will change in time – their primary focus is on making money, they’re playing to their core crowd that they have, and that core crowd will be replaced – hopefully with a more moderate one.

    It’s disappointing and sad, but a fact of where we are, at this point in time. The debate is over, the law has changed.

    1. Well said. I agree entirely. They demonise homosexuality and yet glorify misogyny. They are preaching to a dwindling audience.
      They will eventually go the way of all other dinosaurs too.

    2. The online version may be geared to a younger generation but all you have to do is look at the comments and the ratings to see just how bigoted and narrow-minded its readership still is. The message should be sent to those viewing the Mail Online for showbiz gossip, celebrity pictures or sport that the paper is catered for and is read by those with views that are utterly vile.

    3. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Jul 2013, 12:11pm

      The comments posted in the online version are just as vile and bigoted, Gulliver. I just can’t take much of what they say. They’re just as illogical, irrational and disgusting no matter their age group. I couldn’t even begin to rebuff some of them. They’re not going away so soon. There will always be a market for yellow journalism. I’ve more confidence in attrition among the Tory backbencher opposition than readership of the Mail and Telegraph.

  7. Common sense 26 Jul 2013, 6:27am

    Don’t get me wrong. I am NOT saying he should not be encouraging other countries on a bilateral basis to introduce equal marriage, where there are the requisite political climate.

    But it would be a huge mistake to grandstand at for example the upcoming CHOGM using gay marriage as the benchmark for gay liberation. That could backfire spectacularly and I am genuinely surprised that so many people above disagreed with what is a sensible position when furthering LGBTIQ rights through diplomacy.

    1. Godric Godricson 26 Jul 2013, 8:14am

      Diplomacy assumes there is a willingness to accept the stus quo and walk away from horrible situations. Diplomacy would be OK if we were talking about a border dispute.There is no such ability to leave things as they are becasue this false ‘stability’ is killing people. The world must see real and verifiable equal rights for LGBT rather than any false grandstanding. The Commonwealth Heads of Government could, should and must improve rights and aid should be attached to these rights. Remember the EU ties LGBT rights to membership.

    2. GulliverUK 26 Jul 2013, 8:15am

      For around 70+ countries giving their LGBT citizens basic human rights would be a start, living up to treaty obligations and International law, but for some countries, particularly in the Eurozone and elsewhere, you would hope it will give a) LGBT advocates renewed energy to think full equality, and b) give their governments an opportunity to say they are following in the footpaths of others, and that it’s not revolutionary. They could say they are doing this in order not to suffer any economic disadvantage as large companies seek to invest in countries with an equal playing field and where their own equality policies are shared by that government.

      So there will different messages for different countries, obviously. Politicians are masters of that ! :D

    3. There is little doubt that diplomacy would be the channel to pursue equal rights. Cameron knows it can’t be forced on countries. Withholding aid is a blunt instrument, which I agree with, but this is directed at countries who criminalise homosexuality. A different issue.

  8. Littlejohn asks “What does he hope to achieve by embarking on a mission to proselytise same-sex marriage around the world, other than to bask in the admiration of the gay lobby?”
    This shows the incredibly blinkered and uncompassionate way this moron looks at life.

    1. GulliverUK 26 Jul 2013, 8:57am

      You will get no sense from Littlejohn so anyone looking for some will go hungry. His purpose is to stir it up, to make haters and bigots feel like the paper is talking directly to and for them. An intellectual paper would cover the multitude of abuses against LGBT people in these countries and ask why the government isn’t going more to put pressure on them. A Telegraph or DM angle might be how dare we give XXXmillions of aid to X, Y and Z when they abuse human rights.

      To sooth the savage and bigoted beast requires very carefully crafted really smart articles that tug at the little empathy those readers have left, to write pieces denomising and attacking the LGBT community, or Cameron, is old hat and easily rehashed- it’s very lazy journalism, which also harms LGBT people, their friends and families.

      As I’ve said previously it largely depends on the author, the DM have also published near pro-LGBT pieces or unbiased and factual pieces, just a few times.

  9. Sour grapes from the gutter press losers, …I’m loving it!

    1. Yes Pavlos, I agree. If The Daily Telegraph and The Daily Mail are upset with Cameron, then he must be doing something right

  10. PeterinSydney 26 Jul 2013, 9:01am

    Put Dacre in gaol for hate speech, and let the prisoners deal with him in the traditional way.

  11. “I’m Quite Happy with a Civil Partnership, Mr.Cameron”

    Quote is fomAndrew Pearce- gay editor of the Daily Mail.

    How stupid that sounds now-and how long will it be before Mr Pearce weds his partner?

    1. I used to run a gay pub in North London and caught Andrew Pearce trying to have sex with a young man he had only just met in the cubicle.

      I am sure his friends at the Daily Mail would find that interesting

  12. Yet more sensationalist scaremongering from the gutter press.

  13. Jock S. Trap 26 Jul 2013, 9:37am

    David Cameron did what many failed to do. This after promising to look into marriage through to the Royal Assent of the Bill.

    David Cameron did what many failed to do, including sadly many in his own party, by showing true leadership and courage to make sure Equality was made, along with history.

    The fact he wishes to encourage other countries to see marriage as equal is a brilliant thing and I hope all take notice. Yes I know many won’t but what is clear is that people like Richard Littlejohn is behaving like school children bullying in the playground.

    It’s hardly helpful and in fact shows them up for the tiny little narrowed idiots they are.

    The Daily Mail & The Daily Telegraph chose to ignore this Bill passing, this historic event of our times, yet attack his speech about improving the lives of others.

    All that shows us is how the nasty, bigoted have no courage, no morals for decency and that they will forever be on the wrong side of history and that is nothing to be proud of!

  14. Not a story about gay rights but still:

    French politician provokes outrage by suggesting Adolf Hitler ‘did not kill enough Roma gypsies’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2375081/Calls-sack-French-MP-Gilles-Bourdouleix-suggesting-Adolf-Hitler-did-ki

    Quote:

    Have you ever thought perhaps he`s right?
    – philip harrison, preston, 24/7/2013 1:54
    Click to rate Rating 850

    Just saying what many people are thinking.
    – Cassandra44, London, Canada, 24/7/2013 1:18

    Click here to rate Rating 777

    Might not be politically correct but Hitler was right on a lot of things – history written by the victors often obscures that. The failed experiment in Europe and the social catastrophes it is bringing will prove him right on many more fronts and as unpopular as that view is at present it will have its time again when the EU fractures as historically it is bound to do.

    – Graham Casey, Perth, 24/7/2013 0:06
    Click to rate Rating 473

    Thanks to Mailwatch. Even I was shocked by these comments.

    1. That is well beyond the limit of free speech imo

      1. These people are condoning genocide. And these comments were all voted up, 850 in the green etc. This is what happens when the respectable face of the Mail’s core readership slips. Disgusting people.

    2. There used to be a site which promoted trolling the daily mail with ridiculous and abhorrent comments that usually mention ukip. People post the comments and sit back and watch the recommends stack up from people with no sense of decency. I often wonder if some of the more reprehensible comments are from trolls giggling at the green arrows they get.

      1. I’d like to hope so Joss but I’m not convinced. There are enough people out there who would not dare make these comments in public but would happily say what they really think hiding behind the anonymity that the Internet offers.

        When you look at some of the other comments the posters have made on other stories I think you can build a picture of their mentality, that suggests to me that they’re not trolls.

  15. I’ve just had a look, its the vile biggot Richard Littlejohn again.

    Now the Lucy Meadows death has calmed down he is back on the attack.

    What a scum bag.

    1. Bigot, got a bit carried away with the g :-)

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Jul 2013, 12:14pm

      I wouldn’t mind betting there is some dirt on Littlejohn too. Hopefully, the venom he spews may one day fire back on him as well as the editorship of the DM.

  16. Some elements of the press are seeing themselves as the last refuge for homophobia now that the Church seems to be moving on to issues like poverty – ie Justin Welby & Wonga etc.

    The Church attacking capitalism is the last thing papers such as the Mail & Telegraph want to see in place of homophobia.

  17. Goes to show you where Murdoch and his bigot empire and the rest of the media’s true loyalties lie, if anyone else was still in any doubt. They don’t care about reporting news fairly and balanced, they’re just pushing blinkered “stories” filled with their own prejudices on the public in an attempt to convert people to their way of thinking.

    1. Not sure what this has to do with Murdoch. Neither of these papers is owned by him.
      The Times, which is owned by Murdoch, is very supportive of Same Sex Marriage.
      There’s a lot of things to criticise him for – but I don’t think this is one of them

      1. You’re right, my mistake. I thought the Mail was part of his news organisation.

  18. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Jul 2013, 12:17pm

    Now let’s see if the DM reacts negatively to Mugabe’s comments calling for the chopping off of heads of gay people. I can just imagine the readers’ comments on that one. Littlejohn I suspect will remain silent.

  19. To call the Daily Mail racist and homophobic is actually being kind. The irritating thing is they’re right: gay rights can’t be exported. But to argue that by portraying gays as flouncing queens, and ‘Third World’ citizens as primitive bush people is outrageous and offensive.

  20. john lyttle 26 Jul 2013, 5:27pm

    Sore losers.

  21. Check out the ongoing vile postings about Cameron and equal marriage on the Christian Institute Facebook page in the article ‘CAmeron vows to export gay marriage worldwide’
    https://www.facebook.com/#!/christianinstitute?fref=ts

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