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  1. That There Other David 16 Jul 2013, 1:54pm

    Thanks to the people of the Republic. Wishing you all the best in your efforts to bring this in there too.

  2. Johnny Boy 16 Jul 2013, 2:00pm

    Such good news for England and Wales (get with it Scotland!) I hope our friends over the sea get this type of equality ASAP! x

  3. Robert in S. Kensington 16 Jul 2013, 2:42pm

    Go Ireland! That will really put NI in a dither, pressure will mount and the DUP bigots will be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

  4. A referendum on equal marriage MAY take place in Ireland in 2014.

    Fine Gael (the main party in the coalition have not indicated they support this and if they don’t then it won’t happen.).

    Ireland will deserve utter condemnation if equality is put to a vote. They day that a change in the constitution is required for marriage equality – thus a referendum.

    However nowhere in the Irish constitution is marriage defined as being between a man and a woman.

    Some legal experts claim that a referendum is required. Others claim that legislation is sufficient.,

    The idea that equal civil rights be subject to a popular vote is an utterly disgraceful, appalling and shocking idea.,

    And if such a referendum fails to pass then it will be 2043 before Ireland gets marriage equality (and seeing as the most vicious, hate-filled campaign of homophobia will be unleashed in Ireland before such a referendum this is quite possible).

    1. The campaign of evil homophobia that will be unleashed in Ireland prior to a referendum will be funded by evangelical US churches posing as Irish ‘pro-family’ groups.

      Just like in the divorce referendum in 1996 the homophobic campaign will focus on the alleged ‘danger’ that children will be placed in if gay people are allowed to marry. This will be complete lies but it will link gay people to paedophilia and will be the nastiest, ugliest and most vicious campaign of sheer evil.

      Even if the referendum is a success it sents a disgusting message to the rest of the world that equality is dependent on a vote.,

      Places like Poland will never get equaiity if a referendum is held on the issue.,

      Before any Irish referendum on marriage equality then the government must indicate what their plan B to introduce equality is in case the referendum fails. Otherwise Irish LGBT people will not gain equality until about 2040

      1. David Jordan 16 Jul 2013, 3:55pm

        I’m Irish and I agree with you completely, if I talk to any other gay person here about the referendum we all say the same thing, “it’s going to be a nasty campaign”.
        The evangelicals and the catholic church (which controls 98% of schools here) are going to pour money into fighting this and into blackening the public perception of LGBT people, it will be like the French campaign but much worse and I feel there is going to be a massive increase in the amount of depression, self harm and suicide in young LGBT people here due to this wave of American and Vatican sanctioned homophobia.
        Combined that with the fact that most Irish schools turn a blind eye to homophobic bullying, it is going to be a very dark time for young LGBT people still in secondary school.
        Not to mention the precedent its going to set for the rest of the world.
        If Labour/ Fine Gael had any real commitment to LGBT and human rights, they wouldn’t put civil rights to a public vote.

        1. 2043? Source/facts please? This comes up time and time again. Ireland MUST have a referendum to change it’s constitution. What, is so hard to understand?

  5. What SHOULD happen in Ireland is that marriage equalituy legislation should be introduced, and then let the extremist neo-fascists challenge it in the courts if they wish (and let them finance their legal challenge entirely by themselves).

    If Britain (as well as France, Holland, Spain, Canada etc) already have eqiality the courts are very unlikely to strike down the laws.

    However a referendum on equal civil rights for any minority group should be a matter of enormous shame and an utter disgrace

    If there is a referendum then the Irish government and police must declare in advance what they will do to protect the safety and security of the LGBT population against the campaign of neo-fascist bigotry that will be unleashed on the Irish gay community prior to the referendum.

    1. What a ridiculous statement. The constitution has already been interpreted as between man and woman. Thus, a referendum is required. No court in Ireland can ‘Strike down” the constitution so it needs to be changed.

      If legislation was passed that conflicted with the constitution any judge would strike down the legislation as un-constitutional as a matter of law rather than popular opinion or his/her own opinion on equal marriage.

  6. Pavlos Prince of Greece 16 Jul 2013, 3:19pm

    Its not very political correct, but: how sad that Ireland no more belongs to England and British crown ! I doubt, marriage equality will never became a reality here: maybe Ireland is no more so Catholic as once, but it still is Catholic “enough” – we can see this last week, as big crowd has protesting outside of the Irish parliament against any legalisation of abortion, also many young people: this “potential” can and will be used in the campaign against gay marriage too. Is Irish pro-gay public opinion strong enough or is it that what public opinion on every single issue all ways is: fragile and easy to be manipulated ? Indeed, I very fear “French” scenario for Ireland: big money from Church, very professional campaign (with focus on adoption), big crowds on the streets after Sunday mess – and approving ratings are going down. Is at least Irish Prime Minister strong in favor of gay marriage ? I think, he is not.

    1. “Its not very political correct, but: how sad that Ireland no more belongs to England and British crown !”

      Oh yeah because that truly was a golden age for Ireland… Lets go invade them now, I can guarantee we’ll catch them by surprise and they’ll be ours by Christmas. Rule Brittania!

    2. David Jordan 16 Jul 2013, 4:14pm

      Enda Kenny, who is the taoiseach, hasn’t stated his views thought it’s widely believed that he is mildly opposed to it, and his party has no official position on it.
      It’s going to be a nasty campaign, especially considering the church’s resources, influence and control of schools here in Ireland.
      In the end, it will come down to our ability to get the ally vote out.

      And I have to say, growing up in Ireland and hearing all the nonsense about how terrible the British where to us and how we’re all better off without the UK, it would be nice if Ireland would for once not lag behind the UK in LGBT rights.

    3. That There Other David 16 Jul 2013, 5:29pm

      Pavlos, that’s possibly the worst point I’ve ever read from you. The British were utterly awful rulers of Ireland. That our country has got something right on the equality front doesn’t negate the absolute neglect and oppression the Irish suffered when the South was part of the UK.

      This is their path to follow now. We can support them in any way we can, but there’s a very good reason why they’re an independent state.

      1. Pavlos Prince of Greece 16 Jul 2013, 5:50pm

        David, I am neither very strong in favor or against independent Irish Republic, but all ways very sceptical about states, founded on the ground of one nation, language and one religion (as Catholicism in Ireland or Orthodoxy in Greece): its all ways dangerous, for gay rights too. Good, that Ireland belongs today at least to the EU. It will be even more better, if they will be part also of the Commonwealth: historical heritage of Ireland is both Celtic and British.

        1. You really are a moron.

          Ireland is an independent country and has been for almost 100 years.,

          Your point makes about as much sense as me saying that because Greece has screwed its economy up so badly that Turkey should resume control as they would handle the situation so much better.

    4. .....Paddyswurds 17 Jul 2013, 11:57am

      How sad that Greece is no longer ruled by the Roman empire…. Maybe they would have learned to pay their taxes and not have the Germans and the rest of the EU bailing their asses out of debt… Grow up to phuck, Pavlos. The Irish deserve independence as much as tthe scroun ging Greeks.

  7. Good luck to Irish LGBTs. They’re going to need it next year when the Catholic “celibate” closet cases and child molesters get their claws out.

    And “God” save them from Pavlos Prince of Greece

    1. Pavlos Prince of Greece 16 Jul 2013, 5:37pm

      Oh yes, “god”. Independent Irish state was possible only on the ground of strong religious differences between two British islands: St Edwards crown vs. St Peters thrown. The Pope has won. How will be this time ?

      1. .....Paddyswurds 17 Jul 2013, 12:06pm

        You are spouting shyte as usual. Ireland of the 21st century is a very different place than it was 20 years ago. We are no longer in thrall to the Roman paedophile cult. How many “catholic” countries can you name who have closed their embassy to the Vatican City and how many threw out the Vatican ambassador. How many can you name that told Ratzi the Naz1 to stay at home as he would be arrested if he came to Ireland for crimes against Irish children for centuries. Ya’ll should do some research before posting the rubbish you do. 755 of the Irish people support Marriage Equality. The referendum is on the Constitution, (you know, that document which doesn’t exist in the UK)…not on Marriage equality.

        1. .....Paddyswurds 17 Jul 2013, 6:26pm

          oops 75%**

      2. What a failure Greece has been as a state.

        Perhaps Turkey should resume control – they would manage the Greek economy so much better than the stupid, corrupt Greeks seem to be managing.

  8. Helen in Ireland 16 Jul 2013, 6:07pm

    There is a nasty little organization called Youth Defense. They and their US- based backers/financiers led the bitchy, defamatory and downright evil fight against the recent abortion legislation and they will be just as nasty in the run up to SSM referendum.

    I had read that the National Organisation for Marriage (US) had recently started an international group as well – they certainly funded Manif Pour Tous in France. One of their flyers had Ireland as a member of the group. I had thought that they would link to the Iona Institute but now believe that it is YD (spit, spit) that will be get the money. OH, and NOM is funded by the RC Church through a small groups of (5) donors.

    They only good thing is that there is a strong backlash against the RCC and that most polls have us running at 73% in favour.

    1. 6 months before the divorce referendum in Ireland in 1996 support for divorce was at almost 80%.

      In the end it was passed by 50.1% in favour and 49,9% against.

      The US evangelicals’ campaign will focus on the lie that children will be in danger from gay people if same sex marriage is introduced.

      The level of homophobic evil will be unbelieveable in any referendum campaign. LGBT people’s safety will be seriously compromised if this is put to a referendum.

      And if the referendum fails (which is quite possible) does the government have a plan B?

      Ireland deserves utter contempt if it decides to have a referendum on equal civil rights.

      Legislation is sufficient.

  9. .....Paddyswurds 17 Jul 2013, 11:52am

    Scott Roberts……. Do some phuckin research. The referendum is not on Marriage Equality. The referendum is to change the Irish constitution. Any changes to our constitution requires the assent of the Irish people. The referendum is necessary to remove ambiguities from the constitution which were being mis-interpreted by the fiercely independent courts. While it does not say directly that marriage is between a man and woman, it is inferred by ambiguous language, hence the need to change it before bringing in legislation to make Marriage Equality in Ireland legal, which could be challenged by the present constitutional ambiguities…… Now do you understand…??…

    1. You know full well Paddy that the referendum to change the Irish Constitution will be interpreted by EVERYONE as the gay marriage referendum and the evil campaign linking homosexuality to paedophilia funded by the catholic and US evangelical churches, will focus on gay marriage.

      Unless the government has a clearly delineated plan B to introduce equal civil rights then there must not be any referendum that has the potential to delay or prevent marriage equality.

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