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Video: Nick Clegg, Ed Miliband, Maria Miller, Theresa May and Boris Johnson support equal marriage

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  1. Jock S. Trap 14 Jul 2013, 12:01pm

    Here’s to hoping we have something to celebrate this week!!!

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 14 Jul 2013, 2:40pm

      We will, Jock! Tomorrow will be another victory! When it clears the third reading, unofficially we will have become the 15th country about to introduce Equal Marriage. Just a pity the Lords couldn’t have started the process in early May instead of later that month. Royal Assent would have been received by no later than July 18th when the summer recess begins.

  2. Jan Bridget 14 Jul 2013, 12:25pm

    I second that!

  3. St Sebastian 14 Jul 2013, 3:29pm

    I’ll third it!

  4. Well at least Stonewall, too, eventually came round to supporting equal marriage. And they’ve done a good job with tweets from the parliamentary debates.

    Can’t help feeling, though, that none of this would have happened without Benjamin Cohen and Pink News leading the way, and without the Prime Minister’s personal commitment to LGBT equality.

    1. gentlemind 14 Jul 2013, 4:20pm

      Dave, “Equal Marriage” is an entirely political invention. A “same-sex marriage” cannot physically exist. The only world in which it can exist, then, is the non-physical world – the legal world. It is a legal fiction.

      Why is the legal world lying to people? We have a law in this country that makes it very clear that a same-sex marriage is not physically possible. Why is the political system simultaneously telling people that their relationship can be a marriage, and that it cannot?

      1. bobbleobble 14 Jul 2013, 4:34pm

        What are you talking about? In what way does any marriage physically exist? All marriages are legal fictions based on legislation and the signing of a contract. Marriage is what the government through legislation says it is and as of this week that is likely to include same sex couples in England and Wales.

        The only lying being done is you to yourself.

        1. gentlemind 14 Jul 2013, 5:45pm

          Marriages come into existence when the two sexes sexually unite. Our laws recognise this quite clearly, by stating that a marriage is not legally complete until that sexual union has been formed.

          Marriage is not whatever the Government says it is. Marriage (the relationship) exists in nature. It’s the only humanly possible way of binding one generation to the next. That is why every society, at every point in time, has promoted that relationship. Marriage (the legal institution) IS man-made, but it only came into existence to protect and promote the pre-existing relationship. The best man-made law can do is nick the name Marriage – leaving no name for lifelong sexual unions between one man and one woman.

          1. Bobbleobble 14 Jul 2013, 5:52pm

            No marriages come into existence once the register is signed. They can potentially be made void should sex not take place but they are not automatically void if both parties are happy for the marriage to continue.

            Marriage is entirely a legal construct and always has been, it does not exist in nature, what a patently bizarre thing to say. It is also multi functional and always has been. And it will still apply to life long sexual relationships between men and women but it will also apply to life long sexual relationships between two men or two women.

      2. There is more to marriage than the plumbing.

        1. gentlemind 14 Jul 2013, 5:39pm

          Absolutely. But redefining the legal institution of marriage would take “There is more to marriage than the plumbing”, and create “Marriage without (less than) the plumbing”.

          1. bobbleobble 14 Jul 2013, 5:57pm

            The thing is though, there is nothing other than the plumbing that is different about a gay couple and a straight couple. So in essence you’re saying that the only thing that matters in marriage is what is between the parties’ thighs. And yet we’re the ones who get accused of devaluing marriage. Go figure!

            Also why would removing the ‘plumbing’ requirement make marriage less than it currently is?

    2. Benjamin Cohen 14 Jul 2013, 7:31pm

      Aww thanks, that’s very sweet. I’m glad that Stonewall finally started campaigning on this issue too! There’s actually a history of the PinkNews role in the equal marriage debate coming soon…

      1. I recall that PN sent a letter to a significant number of LGBT organisations, including Stonewall, asking them to state their position on equal marriage. I’ve tried to track that down on your website, but so far without success.

          1. Many thanks, Benjamin. That was the link I was looking for :)

  5. Colin (London) 15 Jul 2013, 10:23am

    Thank you to all from the bottom of my heart and to you Pink News. Thank you

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