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  1. Robert in S. Kensington 12 Jul 2013, 4:05pm

    What I don’t understand is why the UK was more or less ordered to legislate for CPs by the ECHR, yet others in the EU weren’t. Italy and Greece need to clean up their act.

    1. The UK wasn’t ordered to legislate for CPs – I’ve seen it said a lot, but it’s not true. Some of the Labour government’s changes did come with ECtHR pressure (ending the military ban, gender identity) and others because of EU law (anti-discrimination) but in this case there was minimal convention involvement. Case law did suggest (e.g. Mendoza Ghaidan v Godin-Mendoza) that rights available to unmarried opposite-sex couples (so-called “common law” rights) would have to be extended to same-sex couples. But CPs went far beyond that requirement.

      Ten years later, the ECtHR still does not require countries to recognise same-sex partnerships (see Schalk and Kopf v Austria – this not only refused to require marriage equality but ALSO refused to require partnership rights (now available in Austria anyway) but with 3 out of the 7 dissenting). This is why the majority of Convention signatories – 26 countries – do not have any form of registration for same-sex couples.

    2. Of the 47 Convention countries, 10 have marriage: Belgium, Denmark, France, Iceland*, Netherlands, Norway*, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, UK (mostly, soon) and 11 have civil unions or registered partnerships: Andorra*, Austria, Czech Republic, Finland, Germany, Hungary, Ireland, Liechtenstein*, Luxembourg, Slovenia, Switzerland*

      (I’ve asterisked the 5 non-EU members)

      I see no sign that the ECtHR will soon insist on partnership rights for the remaining 26 Convention signatories. Of those states without rights, 14 are not in the EU. Don’t expect the ECtHR to be introducing marriage equality or even CPs in Russia or Azerbaijan.

      The EU may take action, though. Of the 28 EU members, currently 12 offer no or very few rights: Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Estonia, Greece, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Romania, and Slovakia. Many of these are currently debating partnership rights. But in others there is heavy opposition and EU pressure may be required for them to move.

  2. We need gay paramilitary groups to help with security in gay neighborhoods and gay events. Zap any bigot coward motherfkrs with tasers, drag ’em to the gutter, and call the authorities.

  3. I’m sick of hearing about gay guys getting battered. I would LOVE one day to read a story about gay people actually fighting back or defending themselves for once.

    They were equally matched; 4 for 4. They could and should have faught back.

    BASH BACK!!! Once people stop playing the victim, people will stop seeing us as victims, and stop treating us like victims.

    We have to let people know everywhere that we simply aren’t going to take the abuse. If you dish it out, prepared to get it dished right back at you.

    Obviously if it’s 10 against 1 or people have weapons or knives or whatever then you have to think twice before retaliating… but I think people simply accept the beating and don’t even try to defend themselves most of the time…

    I hope these guys recover and don’t let this attack shake their confidence in future. My ex got attacked outside a Gbar and was terrified to leave the house for months afterwards…

    1. Ever heard of a group of gay men assaulting a straight guy? Yeah, me neither… Thankfully we’re a little bit more civilized than those apes. fighting back with more violence is never going to work, we won’t sink to that level.

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