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Gay man faces deaths threats in Zambia after UK civil partnership

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  1. That There Other David 12 Jul 2013, 4:07pm

    Nobody deserves to have their lives destroyed like this because a bunch of ignorant halfwits can’t think beyond what the local preacher has indoctrinated them with. I hope he rebuilds his life in Germany with his partner, and one day, in more enlightened times, gets to return to Zambia to accept their apologies.

  2. The Zambia, and all other countries with similar disregard for human rights should in my view cease to be recipients of foreign aid from the UK (and indeed any EU country)

    1. I agree. The UK is far too lenient with these ignorant people in power who are probably cheating their own population out of well needed services just to line their own pockets.

    2. Zambia has a life expectancy of 56 for women and 54 for men, compare that to the UK’s 82 for women and 79 for men, this shockingly low average lifespan is due to the shocking poverty in these countries. These African countries also have a huge problem with illiteracy, are you surprised that homophobia has flourished there? We’re lucky in the developed world to have high living standards and this has played a crucial role in making a more progressive and tolerant society and it’s very recent even for us. It’s no conincidence that the countries which have the most liberal laws regarding LGBT people have some of the highest standards of living in the world. Cutting off aid to African countries will not help tackle homophobia over there and won’t we be turning our backs on their LGBT citizens? This is the kind of comment I’d expect on the Mail Online not PinkNews.

      1. I think the point is, our so called civillized countries do very little to help. Our politicians probably don’t challenge them, they probably don’t want to “stir the pot” with other countries. Ever heard of the bystander effect? The more people there are, the less likley someone is going to stand up. I bet most of the politicians who believe in equal rights very rarely challenge those who don’t because they just assume someone else will so they don’t have to…

        Cutting off aid isn’t the solution, but we should be doing more to show these countries just how out of line they are and how we feel about their human rights abuses. We can’t just leave it to these countries to sort it out themselves because that will take forever, we haven’t even sorted it out ourselves yet.

        1. In fact politicians often do condemn the treatment of lgbt people in these countries. Just look at headlines like..

          “Obama condemns Uganda anti-gay bill as ‘odious’” -BBC News

          “Uganda fury at David Cameron aid threat over gay rights” -BBC News

          But the fact of the matter is these politicians are sort of stuck when it comes to this.
          Remember these countries desperately need aid for legitimate reasons. Many (including lgbt citizens) rely on aid for survival.

          Short of infringing on the sovereignty of these countries (which would open a whole other can of worms and probably do more harm than good). Politicians are forced to condemn, advise and make empty threats.

          No one said diplomacy was easy but most of the time it sure is better than the alternative!

  3. Colin Andrew 1966 12 Jul 2013, 5:18pm

    Most of Africa is a violent, corrupt hellhole and an economic disaster area to boot. They also think mentally ill people are possessed by demons and albinos are killed so their body parts can be used as lucky charms, apparently as many African countries are in the Commonwealth we have a set of “shared values” with them!!

    1. I’m so glad that you, living in a country where every single newspaper now carries a horoscope (so much for science and enlightenment among the masses), and in a continent that includes politicians of such international renown and respectability as Berlusconi, or indeed the expenses fiddlers of the UK, feel so comfortable generalising about an entire continent.

      Odd that Mandela’s state of health makes international headlines, given that he too is an African…

    2. As someone of African heritage, I can’t stress how wrong you are. Violent? Maybe in Nigeria, Eygpt or S.Africa, but MANY African countries have relatively low crime rates devoid of the many social problems that plague Western cities – like gangs and drugs. If what you say is true, then I would be dead if my African family hadn’t accepted who I am, which they have without protest.

      Many LGBT people and Africans are just trying to get by, but often have to deal with prejudice from their own people as well as those from the West. Ask yourself the real reason why you hold such a low regard for Africans?

      1. I couldn’t agree with you more. Very well said.

        I find it extremely disturbing and disappointing when i hear people making comments like Colin’s.

    3. What a horrific generalisation! Have you been to most of Africa? Have you met most Africans?

      There are plenty of extremely intelligent, hard working people throughout Africa. My African family and friends who have accepted me for who I am would tend to disagree with you.

      Whilst the continent clearly suffers from many (varied) problems. Comments like that are unhelpful at best and in general extremely offensive.

    4. Sam Hussey 14 Jul 2013, 6:16pm

      You are very wrong. another product of the failed UK education system!.
      You can live well in many places in Africa. Obviously this man thought so, why otherwise would he return. Ask the millions of Indians and Chinese and your poor southern Europeans why Africa. Cause it’s a place of opportunity.

  4. this guy as a right to married whatever his partner, period. However how dumb do you have to be not to aware that returning to a country such as Zambia is going to put you at risk. How did the Government find out , there are many civil partnership taking place everyday without the masses being aware

    1. It is because of a lot of “dumb” people that some of us today enjoy the freedoms we have and it is going to take a lot more of us “dumb” people to make sure the whole world is one day safe for all decent human beings.

  5. So what are the odds that both the UK and the US send foreign aid to this country? I’m for cutting off aid to countries that criminalize same-gendered relationships because the sooner their cultures die out, the better.

    1. To what extent do you think that will help LGBT people in these countries?

    2. Racist, extreme views – and in the next thread you’ll be moaning about homophobia. Die out? Along with all the suffering LBGT people. I’m sure there are similar views held by the KKK/BNP/Front le Nationale and the most extreme religious groups who wish that gay culture would ‘die out’.

      With these views, who needs the BNP?

    3. I sometimes despair when I read some of the views on these boards. I find it all the more upsetting when I realise these are opinions being espoused by members of a community that is constantly fighting to correct discrimination and lazy stereotypes aimed at itself!

      There a plenty of lgbt people living through hell in these places. Surely you can at least see that they desperately require our support rather than your condemnation.

  6. The stupid government, is using the issue of being gay to divert the issues like their corruption e.t.c so they can stay in power.

    The problem is the can’t ban aid because everyone is using Africa for cheap resources, so that aint going to happen. I think Celebrities are the only ones that can reach out to the younger generation.

  7. Sam Hussey 14 Jul 2013, 6:19pm

    You have to adapt to African way of life. If you don’t like it. Then leave. Which is what he did. If a African were to live in Europe he would be hounded until he left as well. It doesn’t help Europeans, anymore, that they can lecture to others when their own continent is so broken.

    1. Well that’s ridiculous! Your comment ignores the whole point of the political system and democracy as a whole.

      (Putting aside obvious impracticalities like lack of means) Should African-Americans who didn’t like the way they were being treated in the 1950′s and 60′s have just left the United States. Or should they have stood up against popular opinion and convinced people of what they knew to be right!?

      The main reason things have improved for black people in america, lgbt in the western world, etc, etc is because people have been courageous enough to stand up for what they believe in (often against appalling levels of public opposition/hostility). The same will be true in Africa.

      It’s the LGBT communities in these countries that deserve all the support we provide and hopefully things will change for the better.

      1. Sam Hussey 15 Jul 2013, 1:42am

        You have a selective memory only when it suits you. African Americans have been American for over 300 years to equate their presence to a European entrepreneur in modern day Africa is preposterous. African Americans are Americans through and through.

        Given the rapacious anti black racism that exists manifestly exhibited in the recent acquittal of a child killer zimmerman by a all white, all female jury to say life has improved for blacks in America is a insult to a persons intelligence.

        Secondly this man in Zambia had it easy. He made a choice. You can’t mould African societies to suit you.

        1. I never claimed the US was a utopian society, but to suggest the level of overt racism that exists now is anywhere near the level it was 60 years ago is ridiculous. The idea that the majority of voters could vote in a black president twice back then is clearly unthinkable! Of course there are still problems but the difference made by those courageous enough to stand up should never be overlooked!

          Furthermore, I have no problem with Mr Anthony quite understandably choosing not to return to Zambia. There is nothing selective about my memory. I was using that as an example to demonstrate a point. It troubles me that you suggest people living in Zambia who have a problem with the status quo should leave.

          They are perfectly entitled to stand up for the what they believe in and advocate for political and social change if they identify with Zambia as their home. Be they indigenous, 10th generation immigrants or indeed 1st gen immigrants like in post-war Windrush era UK fighting racism.

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